Governor Douche Bag of Illinois Latest Liberal Agenda Push - Ban the Death Penalty

[Sallow]

Why are conservatives, who say that the government is incompetent, put their absolute complete faith in the government to always and every time get it right in the judiciary?

$64,000 question.

Ghook...one person wrongly killed by the government is not a "near perfect record." It is a travesty.

Well Rick Perry, in addition to wanting to Secede from the United States appears to have helped executed an innocent man.

Texas judge hears arson case that could prove wrongful execution - CSMonitor.com

But that's okay..Conservatives love killing people. Just check out Iraq. And..Governor Jan Brewer's one person death panel.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

One single innocent man put to death anywhere in the country is enough for me to be against the death penalty.

And there have been THOUSANDS.

 

[Bfgrn]

One single innocent man put to death anywhere in the country is enough for me to be against the death penalty.

And there have been THOUSANDS.

And who pays for that murder? The Governor, DA, jury?

Imagine a jury member who helped put to death a person who turned out to be innocent.

The death penalty costs 10 times more, and just creates more victims.

 

[GHook93]

Why are conservatives, who say that the government is incompetent, put their absolute complete faith in the government to always and every time get it right in the judiciary?

$64,000 question.

Ghook...one person wrongly killed by the government is not a "near perfect record." It is a travesty.

Well Rick Perry, in addition to wanting to Secede from the United States appears to have helped executed an innocent man.

Texas judge hears arson case that could prove wrongful execution - CSMonitor.com

But that's okay..Conservatives love killing people. Just check out Iraq. And..Governor Jan Brewer's one person death panel.

Wow, you say Republicans like to kill people, yet liberals like you are experats at Character Assassination!

Remind me again who got AMERICA into WW I, Korea War and Vietnam? All unnecessary wars of choice to which we should have stayed out of? DEMOCRATS!!!!

 

[GHook93]

One single innocent man put to death anywhere in the country is enough for me to be against the death penalty.

And there have been THOUSANDS.

NO, there were thousands! With DNA testing, better media coverage, internet coverage, better evidence and police procedures, much fairer juries (no more all white juries for a black defendent) and better policing of our police, the high burden of proof needed to put a man to death, I don't think there are many if any innocent men on death row.

But why stop at innocent men on death row. There are a good number of innocent men rotting in jail for their natural lives! Why not get rid of life sentence, because if one innocent man's life is ruined because he is in jail for his natural life, shouldn't we get rid of life sentences also?

Heck do what IL previously did before Governor Douche Bag made his POLITICALLY MOTIVED move. Raise the bar to the worst of the worst crimes, raise the level of scrutiny to the highest of the high levels, REQUIRE conclusive DNA testing and allow mandatory appeals!

 

[High_Gravity]

We should get rid of prison because there are thousands of innocent men and women doing time.

 

[GHook93]

One single innocent man put to death anywhere in the country is enough for me to be against the death penalty.

And there have been THOUSANDS.

And who pays for that murder? The Governor, DA, jury?

Imagine a jury member who helped put to death a person who turned out to be innocent.

The death penalty costs 10 times more, and just creates more victims.

The Death Penalty cost being more expense is a fallacy:

First, the high cost of death row convictions is due to the cost of appeals, hence court cases. What the anticapital punishment people compare is the cost of trying a capital punishment criminal vs housing a criminal for his natural life. What these people erroneous leave out, is that a person who receive a life sentence has an automatic appeal also! You think a person that received a life sentence isn't going to take it? Damn right they will.

Second, when comparing the cost they take the HIGH value (first appeal lost, second appeal granted, hearing awarded, hearing moves to State Supreme Court with a lose, appeal granted to US Supreme Court). What the anti-capital punishment crowd doesn't take into consideration is that they only get one automatic appeal (just like NLWOP) and the other appeals can and regularly do get denied!

Third, a life sentence defendent can go through the same expensive process all the way to the US supreme court, hence costing as much in court fees as a death row inmate.

The anti-death penalty crowd base their information off erroneous data, just as they base their conclusion for pure gun control off an erroneous study that said a family member is most likely to get shot by a gun in the house, then a criminal is. Ditto for global warming!

Does the death penalty cost less than life in prison without parole? - Death Penalty - ProCon.org
Dudley Sharp, Death Penalty Resources Director of Justice For All (JFA), in an Oct. 1, 1997 Justice for All presentation titled "Death Penalty and Sentencing Information," wrote:
"Many opponents present, as fact, that the cost of the death penalty is so expensive (at least $2 million per case?), that we must choose life without parole ('LWOP') at a cost of $1 million for 50 years. Predictably, these pronouncements may be entirely false. JFA estimates that LWOP cases will cost $1.2 million - $3.6 million more than equivalent death penalty cases.

Opponents ludicrously claim that the death penalty costs, over time, 3-10 times more than LWOP

."

 

[GHook93]

Convicted in 1992! Before DNA testing! Conclusive DNA testing, like IL requires, should be mandatory. You know the evidence that they proved this wrongfully convicted man was innocent!

Why are conservatives, who say that the government is incompetent, put their absolute complete faith in the government to always and every time get it right in the judiciary?

$64,000 question.

Ghook...one person wrongly killed by the government is not a "near perfect record." It is a travesty.

Well Rick Perry, in addition to wanting to Secede from the United States appears to have helped executed an innocent man.

Texas judge hears arson case that could prove wrongful execution - CSMonitor.com

But that's okay..Conservatives love killing people. Just check out Iraq. And..Governor Jan Brewer's one person death panel.

 

[Bfgrn]

One single innocent man put to death anywhere in the country is enough for me to be against the death penalty.

And there have been THOUSANDS.

And who pays for that murder? The Governor, DA, jury?

Imagine a jury member who helped put to death a person who turned out to be innocent.

The death penalty costs 10 times more, and just creates more victims.

The Death Penalty cost being more expense is a fallacy:

First, the high cost of death row convictions is due to the cost of appeals, hence court cases. What the anticapital punishment people compare is the cost of trying a capital punishment criminal vs housing a criminal for his natural life. What these people erroneous leave out, is that a person who receive a life sentence has an automatic appeal also! You think a person that received a life sentence isn't going to take it? Damn right they will.

Second, when comparing the cost they take the HIGH value (first appeal lost, second appeal granted, hearing awarded, hearing moves to State Supreme Court with a lose, appeal granted to US Supreme Court). What the anti-capital punishment crowd doesn't take into consideration is that they only get one automatic appeal (just like NLWOP) and the other appeals can and regularly do get denied!

Third, a life sentence defendent can go through the same expensive process all the way to the US supreme court, hence costing as much in court fees as a death row inmate.

The anti-death penalty crowd base their information off erroneous data, just as they base their conclusion for pure gun control off an erroneous study that said a family member is most likely to get shot by a gun in the house, then a criminal is. Ditto for global warming!

Does the death penalty cost less than life in prison without parole? - Death Penalty - ProCon.org
Dudley Sharp, Death Penalty Resources Director of Justice For All (JFA), in an Oct. 1, 1997 Justice for All presentation titled "Death Penalty and Sentencing Information," wrote:
"Many opponents present, as fact, that the cost of the death penalty is so expensive (at least $2 million per case?), that we must choose life without parole ('LWOP') at a cost of $1 million for 50 years. Predictably, these pronouncements may be entirely false. JFA estimates that LWOP cases will cost $1.2 million - $3.6 million more than equivalent death penalty cases.

Opponents ludicrously claim that the death penalty costs, over time, 3-10 times more than LWOP

."

Bullshit. Are you going to claim that all theses states that studied the cost of capital punishment were motivated by a position on the issue?

Federal Costs
The average cost of defending a trial in a federal death case is $620,932, about 8 times that of a federal murder case in which the death penalty is not sought.

USA
Death Penalty Trials Very Costly Relative to County Budgets

Capital cases burden county budgets with large unexpected costs, according to a report released by the National Bureau of Economic Research, "The Budgetary Repercussions of Capital Convictions," by Katherine Baicker. Counties manage these high costs by decreasing funding for highways and police and by increasing taxes. The report estimates that between 1982-1997 the extra cost of capital trials was $1.6 billion.

California
The California Death Penalty System Costs Taxpayers More than $114 Million a Year

Report of the California Commission on the Fair Administration of Justice

“The additional cost of confining an inmate to death row, as compared to the maximum security prisons where those sentenced to life without possibility of parole ordinarily serve their sentences, is $90,000 per year per inmate. With California’s current death row population of 670, that accounts for $63.3 million annually.”

* Using conservative rough projections, the Commission estimates the annual costs of the present (death penalty) system to be $137 million per year.

* The cost of the present system with reforms recommended by the Commission to ensure a fair process would be $232.7 million per year.

* The cost of a system in which the number of death-eligible crimes was significantly narrowed would be $130 million per year.

* The cost of a system which imposes a maximum penalty of lifetime incarceration instead of the death penalty would be $11.5 million per year.

Maryland
New Study Reveals Maryland Pays $37 Million for One Execution

Washington
Report to Washington State Bar Association regarding cost

At the trial level, death penalty cases are estimated to generate roughly $470,000 in additional costs to the prosecution and defense over the cost of trying the same case as an aggravated murder without the death penalty.

New Jersey
Death Penalty has Cost New Jersey Taxpayers $253 Million

Tennessee
Study Finds Death penalty Costly, Ineffective

* Death penalty trials cost an average of 48% more than the average cost of trials in which prosecutors seek life imprisonment.

Kansas
Study Concludes Death Penalty is Costly Policy

In its review of death penalty expenses, the State of Kansas concluded that capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-death penalty cases.

Indiana
A recent state analysis of the costs of the death penalty in Indiana found the average cost to a county for a trial and direct appeal in a capital case was over ten times more than a life-without-parole case.

North Carolina
Death Penalty Costs North Carolina Nearly $11 Million a Year

The two-year costs were summed up as follows:

Extra defense costs for capital cases in trial phase $13,180,385
Extra payments to jurors $224,640
Capital post-conviction costs $7,473,556
Resentencing hearings $594,216
Prison system $169,617
Total $21,642,414

Florida
Florida Spends Millions Extra per Year on Death Penalty

Texas
Texas death penalty cases cost more than non-capital cases

Each death penalty case in Texas costs taxpayers about $2.3 million.

 

[Ravi]

One single innocent man put to death anywhere in the country is enough for me to be against the death penalty.

And there have been THOUSANDS.

NO, there were thousands! With DNA testing, better media coverage, internet coverage, better evidence and police procedures, much fairer juries (no more all white juries for a black defendent) and better policing of our police, the high burden of proof needed to put a man to death, I don't think there are many if any innocent men on death row.

But why stop at innocent men on death row. There are a good number of innocent men rotting in jail for their natural lives! Why not get rid of life sentence, because if one innocent man's life is ruined because he is in jail for his natural life, shouldn't we get rid of life sentences also?

Heck do what IL previously did before Governor Douche Bag made his POLITICALLY MOTIVED move. Raise the bar to the worst of the worst crimes, raise the level of scrutiny to the highest of the high levels, REQUIRE conclusive DNA testing and allow mandatory appeals!

Just when I think you can't get any more retarded you come through like a champ.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Governor Douche Bag won this liberal state by less than 1%! Yet me makes it like he won by a LARGE margin! He first REFUSES to cut spending and instead did a ginormous income tax increase (to 5% on the middle and lower class and a 2% increase on small business many who have already left the state) and raised our corporate tax to the highest in the country!

Now he does the dumb of the dumb liberal agenda items and gets rid of the death penalty! Yes Illinois had trouble in the past with SOME innocent men getting executed. HOWEVER, since the moritorum was put on with death penalty cases, there have been reforms. Such as a higher degree of proof to sentence the death penalty and DNA evidence must be provide and CONCLUSIVE in order to carry out the death penalty. The margin of error has been reduced to such a low level that it is as close to perfect as you can come!

You White Wingers can ALWAYS be relied-upon to waste tax-dollars.....

Financial Facts About the Death Penalty

<Stupid 'Baggers....>​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

All the people who want the death penalty abolished will have a completely different view on it if someone rapes and murders their family, than they will want to burn that man at the stake.

....And....after the first-guy is executed....a second-guy/gal comes-along....and, kills YOUR family....what good did that first execution do, for you?

Try to Think-things-thru....for a Change.

It's relatively-painless....

 

[High_Gravity]

All the people who want the death penalty abolished will have a completely different view on it if someone rapes and murders their family, than they will want to burn that man at the stake.

....And....after the first-guy is executed....a second-guy/gal comes-along....and, kills YOUR family....what good did that first execution do, for you?

Try to Think-things-thru....for a Change.

It's relatively-painless....

You need to take it easy on the cocaine before you start posting here.

 

[beowolfe]

As often as Illinois has gotten this wrong, they should ban the death penalty.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

NONE OF THESE MEN ARE INNOCENT, SO DON'T ACT LIKE THEY ARE OR MIGHT BE!!! DNA EVIDENCE WITH CONCLUSIVE RESULTS IS NEEDED BY THE ILLINOIS REFORMS TO PUT ANY OF THEM ON DEATH ROW!!! THESE MEN DESERVE TO BURN IN HELL AND DO NOT DESERVE MERCY OR A COMMUTED SENTENCE!!!

I'll bet you're one o' them, there good Christians, too, huh?​

"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord." - Romans 12:19

 

[Mr. Shaman]

i read this earlier....i dont think its a liberal thing there ghook....the death penalty in the us...is a difficult subject....i oppose how its applied in this country....but these are the lowest of the low....try to figure out an answer to all of it....i am still a big believer in super max jails where they just have no human contact

....Places of.....

....RESEARCH....

.....where we might actually solve the puzzle of murderous-tendencies....and, starve "conservatives" of their blood-lust.....​

 

[jasonmorston]

in cases were it is 100% sure of guilt then the death penalty. DNA testing has shown some death row people to be innocent. i do support the death penalty for guilt in wanton homicide or robbery homicide it is the only good detterent in a corrupted system.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

So what?

Bush won the 2000 election with less of the popular vote than Gore, and he ruled as he saw fit.

Good for the governor for banning the death penalty. At least 13 death row inmates in Illinois were later exonerated, some based on DNA evidence that was not present at the initial trial.

Illinois' Exonerated Death Row Inmates

There is nothing more Big Government than the Death Penalty. The government should not be in the business of murdering people, especially when some of those people are innocent.

....That same Government "conservatives" INSIST was a result o' Judeo/Christian Values....​

"For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people." - Hebrews 10:30

 

[8537]

NONE OF THESE MEN ARE INNOCENT, SO DON'T ACT LIKE THEY ARE OR MIGHT BE!!! DNA EVIDENCE WITH CONCLUSIVE RESULTS IS NEEDED BY THE ILLINOIS REFORMS TO PUT ANY OF THEM ON DEATH ROW!!! THESE MEN DESERVE TO BURN IN HELL AND DO NOT DESERVE MERCY OR A COMMUTED SENTENCE!!!



Photos: The 15 inmates of Death Row and when they were sent there - PhotoGallery - Chicago Sun-Times

&#9632; Anthony Mertz, for the 2001 rape, murder and mutilation of an Eastern Illinois University student in Coles County. Feb. 27, 2003

&#9632; Teodoro Baez, for killing two people and dismembering their bodies with a samurai sword after a 1999 drug dispute in Cook County. March 9, 2004

&#9632; Ricardo Harris, for the 1999 murders of two employees and the wounding of two others during the robbery of an Oak Lawn liquor store. March 15, 2004

&#9632; Cecil Sutherland, for the 1987 sexual assault and murder of a 10-year-old girl in Jefferson County. June 14, 2004

&#9632; Andrew Urdiales, for the 1996 murder of a 21-year-old Hammond, Ind., woman in Livingston County. May 24, 2004

&#9632; Joseph Bannister, for shooting and wounding his former girlfriend and killing her sister in 2000 in Cook County. July 6, 2005

&#9632; Paul Runge, for raping and murdering a Chicago woman and her 10-year-old daughter and setting them on fire in 1997. June 5, 2006

&#9632; Dion Banks, for the 2001 murder of a woman in during a carjacking at the Ford City Mall. Banks previously had been sentenced to 25 years in prison for a 1985 murder. September 2006

&#9632; Daniel Ramsey, for the 1996 rape and murder of one girl, shooting death of another girl and wounding of three other people in Hancock County. May 23, 2007.

&#9632; Rodney Adkins, for the 2003 murder of an Oak Park woman during a home invasion and burglary. Aug. 7, 2007.

&#9632; Eric Hanson, for the 2005 quadruple murders of his parents, sister and brother-in-law in their homes in Naperville and Aurora. Feb. 27, 2008

&#9632; Gary Pate, for the 2006 murders of his wife and stepdaughter in White County. March 21, 2008

&#9632; David A. Damm, for the October 2006 murder of a 13-year-old Iowa girl he had been sexually abusing in Jo Daviess County. Oct. 15, 2008

&#9632; Brian Dugan, for the 1983 rape and murder of 10-year-old Jeanine Nicarico, abducted from her Naperville home. Dec. 16, 2009

&#9632; Edward Tenney, for the 1992 murder of an Aurora resident during a robbery that netted $6. March 9, 2010

FUCK YOU GOVERNOR QUINN!!!

The existence of DNA at a crime scene does not prove guilt.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

All the people who want the death penalty abolished will have a completely different view on it if someone rapes and murders their family, than they will want to burn that man at the stake.

All the people who want the death penalty would have a completely different view if someone in their family were wrongly convicted of a capital offense and put to death.

You might-as-well save your breath (with that REAL Fair & Balanced stuff).

The Pro-Death folks have been Reaganized......
​

"In the late 1970s, when Carter's human rights coordinator, Pat Derian, criticized the Argentine military for its "dirty war" -- tens of thousands of "disappearances," tortures and murders -- then-political commentator Reagan joshed that she should "walk a mile in the moccasins" of the Argentine generals before criticizing them.

Despite his aw shucks style, Reagan found virtually every anticommunist action justified, no matter how brutal. From his eight years in the White House, there is no historical indication that he was troubled by the bloodbath and even genocide that occurred in Central America during his presidency, while he was shipping hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid to the implicated forces."

ReRon Reagan​