Government's At It Again!!

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1. President Reagan famously said The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
When will supporters of progressive politicians realize this?

2. Hand-wringing and roiling that government and media caused over increases in healthcare costs are based on this kind of analysis: “There is general agreement that the current 6% annual increase in health care costs is disastrous and unsustainable; it is projected to lead to a doubling of costs in a decade or so and insolvency for the Medicare program in 8 years. There seems to be some agreement that the long-term goal should be annual growth paralleling that of the gross domestic product (GDP), about 3% per year.” MMS: Error

3. But, just today,from USAToday: “Tuition and fees at America's public colleges rose more than 8% this year as a weakened economy and severe cuts in state funding took their toll, a report out today says. Public four-year universities charged residents an average of $8,244, up 8.3% from last year, while public two-year schools charged an average of $2,963, up 8.7%, says the report by the non-profit College Board. About 80% of the nation's undergraduates attend public institutions.” Tuition and fees rise more than 8% at U.S. public colleges

4. The pattern for which I’d like to connect the dots is that attempts by big government to solve problems often makes the problems bigger, and worse than the original.

a. Anyone familiar with the economic details of ObamaCare knows that costs for healthcare will rise dramatically.

b. government loan programs are the proximal cause of the college cost increases above….

c. government pressure on banks to give loans to less than eligible borrowers caused the mortgage meltdown.

5. The solution:

a. government should be restrained from any endeavors beyond the enumerated powers in the Constitution.

b. government out of the free market beyond oversight to prevent illegalities; no government educational loans; no Freddie nor Fannie; no ObamaCare.

c. vote out all progressives
 
So, as corporations are not forcing universities and colleges to increase tuition and that is a huge gripe of OWS, why aren't they on campuses?
 
So, as corporations are not forcing universities and colleges to increase tuition and that is a huge gripe of OWS, why aren't they on campuses?

I get your drift...

What we know is that O's are, in Pelosi-galore's words, Astro Turf.

Created and a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Left. So...why would they attacke the minor-leagues of the Left...the universities.


Don't you find it interesting that college costs are climbing faster than healthcare cost were in '08, yet not a peep from the Demcrats...



[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlVWArmysic&feature=related]Wolfgang and friend: "Very interesting ... but stupid" - YouTube[/ame]
 
So, as corporations are not forcing universities and colleges to increase tuition and that is a huge gripe of OWS, why aren't they on campuses?

I get your drift...

What we know is that O's are, in Pelosi-galore's words, Astro Turf.

Created and a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Left. So...why would they attacke the minor-leagues of the Left...the universities.


Don't you find it interesting that college costs are climbing faster than healthcare cost were in '08, yet not a peep from the Demcrats...



[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlVWArmysic&feature=related]Wolfgang and friend: "Very interesting ... but stupid" - YouTube[/ame]
Exactly. :thup:

Not so much interesting as completely obvious.

To the thinking person, that is.
 
deregulation caused this mess you fools.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs]Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis - YouTube[/ame]

Look at all those Democrats against regulation!

That is an excellent vid...and very telling.

Here, more proof that the Bush administration tried to regulate, to put the brakes on....
...I'll bet that out friend, Ms. Truthie, hasn't seen this, even though it is from the house-organ of the Democrats...the NYTimes:

WASHINGTON, Sept. 10— The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.
Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.

Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.
New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae - NYTimes.com
 
deregulation caused this mess you fools.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs]Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis - YouTube[/ame]

Look at all those Democrats against regulation!

So? Deregulation was the problem. Doesn't matter which party did or didn't support it.

It is so nice though to see all these 'free market' conservatives acknowledging the absolutely vital need for strict regulation of financial institutions.

Quite ironic isn't it?
 
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I wonder if there is a correlation between the skyrocketing health care costs and the high tuition charged by post secondary schools. Most of the doctors go deep in debt to survive, what 8 years or more of college, and to pay off those debts they need to charge the consumer. Of course all the technicians who have to go to school must pay off their debts too. A little simplistic maybe, because the drug companies tack on a bunch on prescriptions and Hospitals must take their cut too.

Government regulation has its places and is necessary. However it can also become obsessive and even though the intent sometimes may be good the result can can be catastrophic. There has to be a happy medium between the two and it is this battle between what is good and what is bad that will be with us forever as long as there is a government. Over time, as history has proven, the pendulum of regulation swings to and fro and eventually there will be times of less regulation.
 
deregulation caused this mess you fools.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs]Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis - YouTube[/ame]

Look at all those Democrats against regulation!

So? Deregulation was the problem. Doesn't matter which party did or didn't support it.

It is so nice though to see all these 'free market' conservatives acknowledging the absolutely vital need for strict regulation of financial institutions.

Quite ironic isn't it?
Not at all.

What IS ironic is those who use black and white fallacies to simplify a topic to a level that matches theirs. ;)
 

So? Deregulation was the problem. Doesn't matter which party did or didn't support it.

It is so nice though to see all these 'free market' conservatives acknowledging the absolutely vital need for strict regulation of financial institutions.

Quite ironic isn't it?
Not at all.

What IS ironic is those who use black and white fallacies to simplify a topic to a level that matches theirs. ;)

There's no fallacy. For years now the Right has been blaming the financial meltdown on Democrats for failing to regulate sufficiently.
 
deregulation caused this mess you fools.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs]Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis - YouTube[/ame]

Look at all those Democrats against regulation!

So? Deregulation was the problem. Doesn't matter which party did or didn't support it.

It is so nice though to see all these 'free market' conservatives acknowledging the absolutely vital need for strict regulation of financial institutions.

Quite ironic isn't it?

If I can paraphrase the late Abba Eban, you never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity...

I can see your need to purposely misconstrue the issue....'else you'd be placing the blame where it belongs.

1. In 1938 FDR changed equality before the law to economic equality, and toward that end, decided that the government should make sure that everyone owned a home....

a. "President Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal established the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae) in 1938..."
MA Homes Real Talk: Fannie, Freddie & Ginnie .... Household Names ... but, What Are They??

b. Yes, even ' all these 'free market' conservatives' see the need for regulation, oversight, to attempt to mitigate the catastrophe that FDR set in motion.

2. It comes as no surprise to me that folks as dense as brick....if the shoe fits...still fail to see the mistake of government pimping homes, college loans and federal healthcare.

3. It appears that subjects such as human nature, and economics remain recondite for folks on the Left.
 
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I wonder if there is a correlation between the skyrocketing health care costs and the high tuition charged by post secondary schools. Most of the doctors go deep in debt to survive, what 8 years or more of college, and to pay off those debts they need to charge the consumer. Of course all the technicians who have to go to school must pay off their debts too. A little simplistic maybe, because the drug companies tack on a bunch on prescriptions and Hospitals must take their cut too.

Government regulation has its places and is necessary. However it can also become obsessive and even though the intent sometimes may be good the result can can be catastrophic. There has to be a happy medium between the two and it is this battle between what is good and what is bad that will be with us forever as long as there is a government. Over time, as history has proven, the pendulum of regulation swings to and fro and eventually there will be times of less regulation.

Government regulation is at one end of the spectrum....it is the other end that is the problem: bastardizing capitalism, picking winners and losers.

To a large degree, the problem is in the Constitution...wherein both a taxing ability, and an implicit spending ability reside.
That, and the desire of pols to make their career life-long by dolng out coin in one form or another.
 
So? Deregulation was the problem. Doesn't matter which party did or didn't support it.

It is so nice though to see all these 'free market' conservatives acknowledging the absolutely vital need for strict regulation of financial institutions.

Quite ironic isn't it?
Not at all.

What IS ironic is those who use black and white fallacies to simplify a topic to a level that matches theirs. ;)

There's no fallacy. For years now the Right has been blaming the financial meltdown on Democrats for failing to regulate sufficiently.
Actually, it is a fallacy, often known as the false dilemma. Read.

And, the right doing so does not negate their argument that there are too many regulations. Few want none. Most want efficient regulations - wise and few. Occam's razor, etc. It's not an either/or. It's not a false dilemma as you attempt to argue.
 
Government regulation is at one end of the spectrum....it is the other end that is the problem: bastardizing capitalism, picking winners and losers.
That's "Crony Capitalism"
To a large degree, the problem is in the Constitution...wherein both a taxing ability, and an implicit spending ability reside.
That, and the desire of pols to make their career life-long by dolng out coin in one form or another.
That "taxing ability" that you write of no longer exists in Congress, it resides in the Privately Owned Federal Reserve.

Been there since 1913.

The Fed orders the Treasury to print money that the Fed "lends" to any bank at 0% interest (including foreign owned ones) who then lend it back to us at up to 29.9% interest.

So we pay for whatever the Fed orders printed PLUS whatever may be loaned to us. We get fucked twice. Three times if you include the accompanying inflation.

(I'm not jumping on you PC, I know YOU know this stuff, others may not)
 
Government regulation is at one end of the spectrum....it is the other end that is the problem: bastardizing capitalism, picking winners and losers.
That's "Crony Capitalism"
To a large degree, the problem is in the Constitution...wherein both a taxing ability, and an implicit spending ability reside.
That, and the desire of pols to make their career life-long by dolng out coin in one form or another.
That "taxing ability" that you write of no longer exists in Congress, it resides in the Privately Owned Federal Reserve.

Been there since 1913.

The Fed orders the Treasury to print money that the Fed "lends" to any bank at 0% interest (including foreign owned ones) who then lend it back to us at up to 29.9% interest.

So we pay for whatever the Fed orders printed PLUS whatever may be loaned to us. We get fucked twice. Three times if you include the accompanying inflation.

(I'm not jumping on you PC, I know YOU know this stuff, others may not)

I understand your point, Doctor Phibes...but Article I, section 9 lays it out.

And Hamilton noted, the taxing power is the most important of the enumerated powers; it is regulatory in nature, and can be used for purposes unrelated to the collection of revenue- as long as it really is a tax. In other words, duties and excises aimed to support industry are acceptable, but such that are aimed at social reform, are not.

The problem arises....and remains insoluble, in that the power to spend is plenary, and is the power to coerce, to troll for votes. And this spending power is not limited to enumerated powers. Some scholars find the power in Article IV, section 3, clause 2, the Property Clause.

In any case...given the power to throw money as they wish, pols produce all sorts of programs, i.e., the OP, without having to consider results.
 
So? Deregulation was the problem. Doesn't matter which party did or didn't support it.

It is so nice though to see all these 'free market' conservatives acknowledging the absolutely vital need for strict regulation of financial institutions.

Quite ironic isn't it?
Not at all.

What IS ironic is those who use black and white fallacies to simplify a topic to a level that matches theirs. ;)

There's no fallacy. For years now the Right has been blaming the financial meltdown on Democrats for failing to regulate sufficiently.


"For years now the Right has been blaming the financial meltdown on Democrats for failing to regulate sufficiently."
That's not true.

Your statement is like Clinton's "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is."

No, those in opposition deny that government should manipulate the housing market for social engineering. The free market should be the guide.

And, we are correct...you see the results.
 
Not at all.

What IS ironic is those who use black and white fallacies to simplify a topic to a level that matches theirs. ;)

There's no fallacy. For years now the Right has been blaming the financial meltdown on Democrats for failing to regulate sufficiently.


"For years now the Right has been blaming the financial meltdown on Democrats for failing to regulate sufficiently."
That's not true.

Your statement is like Clinton's "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is."

No, those in opposition deny that government should manipulate the housing market for social engineering. The free market should be the guide.

And, we are correct...you see the results.
Exactly. Regulate based on wise economic and business decisions.

Regulate on social engineering motives, like the OWS wants, and you get disasters - housing collapse, skyrocketing tuition for less quality education, etc..

Funny, the OWS wants what exactly fucked them over in the first place.
 
There's no fallacy. For years now the Right has been blaming the financial meltdown on Democrats for failing to regulate sufficiently.


"For years now the Right has been blaming the financial meltdown on Democrats for failing to regulate sufficiently."
That's not true.

Your statement is like Clinton's "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is."

No, those in opposition deny that government should manipulate the housing market for social engineering. The free market should be the guide.

And, we are correct...you see the results.
Exactly. Regulate based on wise economic and business decisions.

Regulate on social engineering motives, like the OWS wants, and you get disasters - housing collapse, skyrocketing tuition for less quality education, etc..

Funny, the OWS wants what exactly fucked them over in the first place.

Si modo....we see the pattern over and over.
The same things that got them to the point they are complaining about...

From Charles Murray, saying just what you are:


"LBJ accomplished the expansion of the Aid to Families with Dependent Children program (AFDC). Under FDR, AFDC had been limited to widows, those who had lost their husbands and needed help to support the children.

To progressives, loosening and expanding the eligibility to any woman living alone with children, benefitted huge groups of voters. No matter that it incentivized out-of-wedlock births, and single motherhood, reinforcing the same negative behaviors that caused poverty in the first place. (in 1960, only 5.3% of children were born out of wedlock…today? Around 40 %). Millions of women could be better off financially by not marrying. "
See Charles A. Murray, “Losing Ground: American Social Policy, 1950-1980.”

"...reinforcing the same negative behaviors that caused poverty in the first place. "


I try to see the other side, and their reasoning...but it becomes harder and harder.
 
Its not Govts role to social engineer any more than its there role to pic winners and losers in the private sector.

Would be nice if Govt did only what its suppose to do.

You know. Follow the Constitution.
 

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