Government Shutdown

[code1211]

The Reps and the Dems are trying to avoid the government shut down. Again.

The Dems are entirely unserious and don't want to address anything that might help while we burrow $4.00 for every $6.00 we collect in tax. Insnaity.

It's time to put the saddle on the horse and show it to the folks. The Dems have shut down the government in Wisconsin. the Dems have shut down the government in Indiana.

It looks like they will want to do in Maryland where they are the Majority. What's wrong with this picture?

If the government shuts down, it will be the Dems that are doing it. Will anyone notice if it gets shut down? I say let it shut down and keep it shut down. All the programs that everyone cries about all the time will go on buy law.

Just for grins, how about we don't pay the sloths who don't work during the shut down? Maybe they'll see the wisdom of getting a paycheck if they stop for a while.

This is our best shot to reduce the deficit.

 

[KissMy]

The Gingrich government shutdown ended when Clinton agreed to submit a CBO-approved balanced budget. That was one of the best thing that ever happened to this country.

 

[Full-Auto]

The Gingrich government shutdown ended when Clinton agreed to submit a CBO-approved balanced budget. That was one of the best thing that ever happened to this country.

Unfortunately, GW trashed that idea.

Once things calmed down he should have required it again.



The Government blues........

The lure of easy money

 

[Dude111]

Its all SMOKE AND MIRRORS if they come up with something to stall this.....

WHEN IT DOES FINALLY HIT,ITS GONNA BE BAD!!!

 

[Lovebears65]

Yeah because we know Obama has submitted a budget since he has been in office.. Oh yeah he hasnt!! Even when the dems were in control of both houses and the WH.

 

[waltky]

GOP House leaders rebuked on spending bill; Gov't shutdown looms...

GOP House leaders rebuked on spending
21 Sept.`11 - Wednesday’s outcome sends House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, and his leadership team back to the drawing board as they seek to make sure the government doesn’t shut down next week.

The surprise defeat in the House Wednesday of a special funding measure to keep the federal government functioning past Sept. 30 was a sharp rebuke of the GOP leadership that controls the chamber and a testament to the fragility of the majority itself. The rejection of the measure resurrected the specter of a government shutdown at the end of the month and suggested that the heated confrontations that dominated Washington in the spring and early summer are likely to return this fall. While it is widely expected that the parties will eventually reach a compromise to avoid a shutdown, Wednesday’s 230-to-195 vote showed what can happen when the GOP majority operates with no more than minimal Democratic support.

The failure of the bill was the result of a new solidarity among Democrats on funding issues and old divisions among Republicans on spending reductions. The unexpected breakdown bodes poorly for budget negotiations between the parties. Rep. Norm Dicks (Wash.), the ranking Democrat on the Appropriations Committee, said a week ago that he planned to join with Republicans in support of the measure. Under pressure from his party to show unity, he voted no on Wednesday. GOP leaders were unable to overcome objections from Democrats who believed the bill did not do enough for disaster victims and from conservative Republicans who wanted to use the measure to cut government spending more deeply.

To pass a bill, House leaders will have to rewrite the measure to appease either Democrats or the more conservative wing of their own party. They must send a bill to the Senate for approval before the fiscal year ends Sept. 30. Otherwise, the government will shut down. The temporary measure is necessary because the House and Senate have failed to agree on appropriations bills to fund government for the whole fiscal year. The stopgap is designed to buy time for negotiations to continue when the fiscal year ends. House Speaker John A. Boehner (Ohio) and other GOP leaders had been confident they could muscle the bill over to the Senate despite protests from both sides of the aisle. The loss was the latest illustration of how Boehner and his lieutenants simply do not command 218 votes — the magic number for a victory in the House — on even such basic legislative matters as a temporary funding resolution to keep government agencies functioning.

Republican leaders shrugged off the embarassing defeat as an example of their willingness to let the House work its will, something Boehner pledged to do just before he won the speaker’s gavel in November 2010. “Change like this is hard. We’ll find a way forward so that we can reflect expectations that taxpayers have that we are going to begin to start spending their money more prudently,” House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) said afterward. “This is the sausage factory. People who sell sausage don’t want you to see behind the doors. But with television and the media like you, the people see the real thing,” said Appropriations Committee Chairman Hal Rogers (R-Ky.), a legislative veteran of more than three decades. Rogers said he thought Democrats would provide the difference, but once they backed off, it became clear the bill would fail.

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Vote on House spending bill reveals John Boehner’s lack of control
9/21/11 - House Republicans tried a fresh strategy Wednesday night: Go it alone on a spending bill. The result was an embarrassing setback.

Wednesday night’s rank-and-file rebuke of GOP leadership — with 48 Republicans bolting on a temporary spending bill — underscored the fact that the House Republican majority is still struggling to find unity on major spending bills. It also showed they still need Democratic votes to help them govern.

The pressure from an angry Speaker John Boehner didn’t work — he even threatened to strip committee assignments. Four dozen Republicans —mostly conservatives — wanted more cuts, and they just said no, creating an uncomfortable scene on the House floor as the funding bill failed on a 195-230 vote. Democrats showed a rare moment of unity in overwhelmingly opposing the continuing resolution, which would keep the government funded through Nov. 18. Now, to prevent a government shutdown, Republicans will have to rewrite the bill and figure out how to get the votes.

GOP lawmakers and aides – including Appropriations Chair Hal Rogers (R-Ky.) – blamed Democrats for defeating the bill. Democrats, including Appropriations Ranking Democrat Norm Dicks, said they’d support the bill, but reversed course because of pressure from Democrats opposed to an offset that cut a subsidy for automobile manufacturers. Rep. Gary Peters (D-Mich.), who sent a letter with more than 100 signers pressuring Speaker Boehner to drop that provision, said Boehner will have to cooperate with Democrats to push a stopgap measure across the finish line. “He can’t pass this bill with his own members,” Peters said of Boehner. “He has basically 30-40 members in his caucus that are so extreme that they wouldn’t vote for this bill.”

Republican leadership knew they were heading for trouble when the day began. Tuesday night, they realized they didn’t have the votes, but opted to take it to the floor and try to get the votes Wednesday — and they came up short. That underscores Boehner’s ongoing problem — he can’t rely on Republicans to stand with him if Democrats decide to unify against him. Republican leadership aides say their hefty “no” caucus — folks who oppose their leadership no matter what — limited their options on the bill. Lawmakers and aides say Boehner may end of making an example of somebody in the GOP conference — though it’s not clear what the punishment will be — for defying him.

Read more: Vote on House spending bill reveals John Boehner?s lack of control - Jake Sherman and John Bresnahan - POLITICO.com

 

[whitehall]

The media promotes outrage. Bill Clinton refused to back down and the media blamed Newt Gingrich for the government shutdown in the 90's. The left wing dominated media even made a crude comparison to a hollywood cartoon claiming " the Ging(grinch) that stole Christmas". There alternate sources of information today but you can always count on the left wing dominated media to blame the republican party "Blame Boehner".

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL Making excuses in advance, there Whitey? Of course the GOP and the Teabaggers will be blamed for their intransigience. Justly so.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Shut it down. Who gives a shit? Most people won't even notice.

 

[waltky]

Granny says shut it down - `cept fer Social Security...

Congress hits budget impasse, deadline nears
23 Sept.`11 WASHINGTON (AP) – Just a week away from a possible government shutdown, lawmakers boxed themselves into a new budget impasse Friday.

With Congress' approval ratings already at an all-time low, a tit-for-tat over disaster aid left Republicans and Democrats — and the House and Senate — in a faceoff that's all too familiar to millions of Americans. Deep partisan disputes pushed the government to the edge of a partial shutdown in April, and to the brink of a debt ceiling crisis in late July. On Friday, the Democratic-controlled Senate blocked a Republican House bill that would provide stopgap federal spending, plus aid for people battered by hurricanes, tornadoes and other natural disasters. The legislation also calls for $1.6 billion in spending cuts to help defray the disaster costs.

Democrats say it's unprecedented and unfair to require spending cuts to accompany badly needed emergency aid. They are especially unhappy that the Republican measure would tap clean-energy programs credited with creating jobs. Republicans say that with a $14 trillion-plus national debt, business-as-usual spending is no longer acceptable. With elections coming, congressional Republicans suggest voters will find it outrageous that Democrats wouldn't accept a mere $1.6 billion in spending cuts. Democrats are betting voters will find it petty and manipulative to let tornado and hurricane victims wonder if federal aid will be denied because lawmakers want to cut aid to Detroit's automakers.

The parties' feuding earlier this year prompted a rating agency to downgrade the government's credit-worthiness, which sent shock waves through financial markets. Legislation finally did pass to raise the debt limit and stave off potential default. This time, it's possible that Congress will find a last-minute way to avoid a shutdown of many federal agencies when the fiscal year ends next Friday. The Senate plans to vote Monday on a Democratic bill that would not require spending offsets to release new money for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. FEMA, drained by several severe storms, could run out by next week, officials said.

In the Senate, however, Republican leader Mitch McConnell is confident Republicans will block the Democrats' counter-move with a filibuster. It takes 41 votes to sustain a filibuster in the 100-member Senate, and the Republicans hold 47 seats. If the Republicans succeed, the Senate could accept the House Republican bill it rejected on Friday. Or legislative leaders could try to negotiate their way past the logjam. The governors of four hurricane-damaged East Coast states — including the Republican governors of New Jersey and Pennsylvania — said in a statement that "federal assistance for the victims of storms and floods should be beyond politics."

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[J.E.D]

The Reps and the Dems are trying to avoid the government shut down. Again.

The Dems are entirely unserious and don't want to address anything that might help while we burrow $4.00 for every $6.00 we collect in tax. Insnaity.

It's time to put the saddle on the horse and show it to the folks. The Dems have shut down the government in Wisconsin. the Dems have shut down the government in Indiana.

It looks like they will want to do in Maryland where they are the Majority. What's wrong with this picture?

If the government shuts down, it will be the Dems that are doing it. Will anyone notice if it gets shut down? I say let it shut down and keep it shut down. All the programs that everyone cries about all the time will go on buy law.

Just for grins, how about we don't pay the sloths who don't work during the shut down? Maybe they'll see the wisdom of getting a paycheck if they stop for a while.

This is our best shot to reduce the deficit.

Yeah, you hope that's how it will be percieved. Unfortunately for you, there's a little thing called reality. Every poll showed that Americans blamed the GOP for the debt cieling and budget crisis that lead to the gov't almost shutting down. Polls also showed that Americans blamed the GOP for the S&P downgrade. And then there is S&P themselves - who openly blamed the GOP. And let's not forget about Newt. Go ahead and ask him how the GOP faired after the fiasco of his leadership.

 

[J.E.D]

Shut it down. Who gives a shit? Most people won't even notice.

Ask Newt Gingrich if he remembers how many people noticed.

 

[whitehall]

Democrats rely fully on the support of the mainstream media to blame republicans like they always did regardless of the evidence. That's their ace in the hole. Clinton refused to negotiate back in the 90's and the media called the government shutdown "the Ging-grinch that stole Christmas".

 

[Wry Catcher]

The dangers are real, and only those fooled by the demagogues hope for a government shutdown.

Grover Norquist's well known remark about shrinking government to a size it can be drowned in a bathtub has become the basis for an entire movement, a movement which has the potential to create greater havoc to our economy than all the crooks on wall street have already accomplished.

Listening to the GOP debate is scary; each candidate hopes to be perceived as more extreme than the next, yet all of them echo the same silliness. Someday, sadly and maybe in the very near future, those of you who believe holding massive debt is the worst that can be will learn how absolutely foolish it is to accept the words of demagogues and charlatans.

 

[B. Kidd]

The general public does not realize that this Congress has worked 125 days out of 270 days this year. And the House is going on vacation again this upcoming week!
Our system is not only broke, but broken too.

 

[waltky]

Granny says just so long as dey don't shut down Social Security...

Boehner: ‘There’s No Threat of a Government Shutdown’
September 22, 2011 - House Speaker John Boehner (R.-Ohio) said at his Thursday press briefing that there is no threat that the federal government will need to shutdown next Friday at midnight when the federal fiscal year comes to an end.

“Listen,” Boehner said. “There is no threat of a government shutdown. Let’s just get this out there.” The speaker was responding to a reporter asking him about how he would modify the next continuing resolution to get it passed by the House--after which it would need to be approved by Senate and signed by President Barack Obama. The continuing resolution that the House Republican leadership brought up for a vote on the House floor on Wednesday was defeated 195-230 after 48 conservatives joined with 182 Democrats in voting against it.

Democrats said they opposed the CR offered yesterday because it cut funding from the Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing Loans program that provides government-subsidized financing to automakers in order to offset disaster relief funding that was being provided to the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Conservatives opposed the CR because it did not cut spending enough--funding the government at only $7 billion less on annualized basis than in fiscal 2011—and because it permitted funding for implementation of Obamacare, Planned Parenthood, the United Nations Population Fund, and other programs many House conservatives believe should be defunded. Boehner defended the defeated CR as one that was crafted to be a bi-partisan measure designed to win Democratic support. “This continuing resolution was designed to be a bi-partisan bill and we had every reason to believe that our counterparts across the aisle were supportive,” said Boehner. “And once they began to see where some of our votes where, they decided to play politics and vote against disaster relief for millions of Americans who’ve been affected by this.”

Boehner said that Republicans would be meeting later today to discuss the next step. “We are going to meet with our members later on today and present some options and decide on a way forward,” said Boehner. “But I've always believed in allowing the House to work its will. I understood what the risk was yesterday. But why not put the bill on the floor and let members speak—and they did.” The federal fiscal year runs from Oct. 1 through Sept. 30. In order to fund federal programs and agencies after Sept. 30, when fiscal 2012 begins, Congress and the president must enact new legislation to approve the funding.

Boehner:

 

[saveliberty]

They usually have a shutdown just before a bankruptcy. We having a going out of business sale?

 

[percysunshine]

The government is going to shut down?

Some one please explain to me how this is different than having a Super Model ring your door bell and ask if you want to buy fresh baked cookies.

 

[saveliberty]

The government is going to shut down?

Some one please explain to me how this is different than having a Super Model ring your door bell and ask if you want to buy fresh baked cookies.

Getting screwed by the super model is much more fun and less expensive. The similiarities are almost nonexistent.

 

[percysunshine]

The government is going to shut down?

Some one please explain to me how this is different than having a Super Model ring your door bell and ask if you want to buy fresh baked cookies.

Getting screwed by the super model is much more fun and less expensive. The similiarities are almost nonexistent.

It is certainly much more fun.

I am not yet convinced about the expense part.