Government Failure?

Should the Federal Government look to "bail out" the United States Post Office?

  • Yes. We need to do whatever we can to save it.

    Votes: 3 16.7%
  • No.The Post Office needs to be seriously restructured first.

    Votes: 6 33.3%
  • No. It's too costly. We need to disolve it, and allow the private sector to take over its role.

    Votes: 9 50.0%

  • Total voters
    18

ShaklesOfBigGov

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There was a time in our nation's history where the post rider was the most familiar and best loved form of transporting mail. That personal touch and connection with the post rider would always remain on the hearts of those that anticipated their arrival. That was until the discovery of the locomotive, and America's new found opportunity to travel aboard the new transcontinential railroad. Now that familiar gallop through the streets that was a warm welcome to so many, was all but a distant memory. A period of time that was suddenly lost, a fallen victum to an evolving age.

Today we are faced with another pivotal moment in history, where an unbelievable EIGHTY percent of the Post Offices in America are losing money. A mammoth organization whos reach is greater than that of the retail markets Walmart, Starbucks, and McDonalds combined. Yet with all the discussions surrounding government debt today, a key issue that seems to usually resurface on the minds of Americans and in Congress: Is the United States Post Office a government agency whos time has finally come? Is it merely the advancement in technology surrounding emails that's the issue behind the many problems it faces, or is it something more deeper and illusive? Are pensions and benefits the true achilles heel behind this government giant's demise?

Back in 2006 Congress passed what is to be called the PAEA Act, which mandated pre-payment of Health Care be set aside for those Postal workers who would eventually reach retirement. With the years that followed the fiscal budget of 2007 revealed retired health benefits to be at a loss of $5.1 Billion. The following year saw only a moderate improvement in retirement costs with the loss of $2.8 Billion, only to plummet once again in 2009 and 2010 ($3.8 Billion and $8.5 Billion consecutively). To compound matters, the current Federal law forbids the closing of Post Offices solely for economic reasons. Even still, the problems that face this organization doesn't appear to end there.

Total benefit and labor costs for a Government Postal Service makes up 80% of its total operating expenses, compare that to 53% and 35% for private sector companies UPS and Fed Ex respectfully. Also the private sector provides consumers with additional benefits, such as the ability of tracking their own packages, compared to The US Postal Service which includes such provisions for an additional cost. With the only hope for a solution resting in the form of increasing government stamps to try and generate revenue, over cutting costs, just how much "pension burden" is the Federal Governement willing to hold onto before the system collapses? President Obama took his own position by inserting a proposal into the 2012 budget, that would absolve the United States Post Office from its responsibilty of providing for its retirement pensions under the PAEA Act. That shortfall would be handed over to the American taxpayers towards an already growing national debt.

Should we be waste taxpayer dollars, in an already bad economy, to try and save workers of the United States Post Office?



SOURCES:
11 Things You Should Know About The U.S. Postal Service Before It Goes Bankrupt
Econbrowser: U.S. Postal Service pension funding
And Now The U.S. Postal Service Is About To Go Belly Up
 
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Electronic communication is replacing the mail, except for delivering packages. That explains all the stats.
 
All they deliver anymore are ads, catalogs and junk. It was a grand institution, but so was the horse cavalry.
 
Mail delivery is of such strategic importance that if the post office were ever dissolved there would have to be a mechanism in place to rapidly nationalize companies that delivered instead of the post office. The mail must go through no matter who is carrying it.
 
Should we be waste taxpayer dollars, in an already bad economy, to try and save workers of the United States Post Office?

No, we should not try to save the workers of the US Post Office. However, the post office needs to continue to function because the US government has to have a way to send notifications to it's citizens; that's not something that can easily be shifted to the private sector. The USPS is somewhat of an anachronism, but it should continue at a greatly reduced size, and with many less delivery days. No Saturdays; what's the point? Maybe 5 days in profitable (read: urban) areas, less in rural areas. The problem is that the representatives from the affected jurisdictions will not easily give up these services that will reduce employment in their districts.
 
The Post Office is an enumerated power, so the Feds have a duty to provide for it. Nevertheless, I believe the Post Office has run its course. Technology has done away with the need for paper mail and we certainly have the infrastructural to allow the private market to deliver traditional mail, in whatever form it takes. I say Congress should amend the Constitution to do away with the institution.
 
It's a subsidies relic of a bygone era. Time to phase it out.
 
Post office will always be there but needs serious restructuring of it's mission
 
...the post office needs to continue to function because the US government has to have a way to send notifications to it's citizens; that's not something that can easily be shifted to the private sector.

Why not? Which Federal documents that must be sent to citizens could not be handled by private delivery companies?
 
For starters, eliminate overnight service (which I think they've announced?), cut back to 3 day a week delivery, and up the cost of bulk mail just enough to keep the business and its revenue stream.

Course I'm a successful sales and marketing guy with turnaround experience, so the government stooges will likely chart a course that does little if anything to truly solve the problems.
 
The lady who delivers mail to my rural route is a private contractor, not all of them are swimming in benefits.
 
The lady who delivers mail to my rural route is a private contractor, not all of them are swimming in benefits.

Then certainly she would have no problem continuing to deliver your packages without the Post Office.
 
All they deliver anymore are ads, catalogs and junk. It was a grand institution, but so was the horse cavalry.

Actually, one news story has the post office putting together a "welcome to the neighborhood" package for those who change their address. They include advertisements of postal services available, and a whole array of coupons and junk mail. This was put into the hands of a private contractor that was provided with the task of orchestrating this. The problem that resulted was the concern of providing personal information to other customer seeking business agencies. Never did hear if they stopped putting such packages together or found their way around the issue?
 
The post office is merely a subsidy for bulk mail firms at this point. Sad to say it's probably time to begin phasing out its services.


They just can't seem to find a nitch into the delivery market at this point, there is so much better established, more efficient businesses in place.

I would like to ask, what is it about the services of private companies like UPS and Federal that makes it more appealing than the traditional use of the Post Office?

You can go with the choice of simply cutting back their services, but are these workers also going to want to see a reduction in pay or benefits as well? It's infeasable to demand a higher scale of wages if they are less involved in providing customers with services. All you would have just accomplished, is to have compounded the debt imbalance and speeded up its demise.
 
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Mail delivery is of such strategic importance that if the post office were ever dissolved there would have to be a mechanism in place to rapidly nationalize companies that delivered instead of the post office. The mail must go through no matter who is carrying it.


We already have CSX which is promoting itself as a well established delivery system. I'm sure such a "restructuring" wouldn't be that much of an effort to formulate. Like any other business out there, I'm sure corporate mergers would take place to make themselves even more efficient, and meet up with future consumer demand.
 
Should we be waste taxpayer dollars, in an already bad economy, to try and save workers of the United States Post Office?

No, we should not try to save the workers of the US Post Office. However, the post office needs to continue to function because the US government has to have a way to send notifications to it's citizens; that's not something that can easily be shifted to the private sector. The USPS is somewhat of an anachronism, but it should continue at a greatly reduced size, and with many less delivery days. No Saturdays; what's the point? Maybe 5 days in profitable (read: urban) areas, less in rural areas. The problem is that the representatives from the affected jurisdictions will not easily give up these services that will reduce employment in their districts.



It's easy to see that some employees may lose their "positions". However CSX is a union centered business as well, and handing over the services to a PRIVATE corporation, may just be the boost for jobs that we need. Someone is going to take the role of restructuring their company and making sure all the necessary business infrastructure is in place to meet with that new role. Yes the United States Postal Service would lose out on government jobs, but it would only transfer that "opportunity" to expand business to create further job creation in the private sector. Private companies, then would push to be more competitive to gain more consumer loyalty, more options, more programs, higher efficiency, and cost productive. Personally I see a BETTER opportunity that's available that would boost an already stagnant and crippled economy, as well as cut the responsibilty of further DEBT to the Federal Government.
 
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disolve it ... after all the internet is the reason it failed. We could be sending smoke signals back in forth and then fire would be at blame and Im sure we could find some global warming in there.
 
...the post office needs to continue to function because the US government has to have a way to send notifications to it's citizens; that's not something that can easily be shifted to the private sector.

Why not? Which Federal documents that must be sent to citizens could not be handled by private delivery companies?

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Why not? Which Federal documents that must be sent to citizens could not be handled by private delivery companies?

It's easy to see that some employees may lose their "positions". However CSX is a union centered business as well, and handing over the services to a PRIVATE corporation, may just be the boost for jobs that we need. Someone is going to take the role of restructuring their company and making sure all the necessary business infrastructure is in place to meet with that new role. Yes the United States Postal Service would lose out on government jobs, but it would only transfer that "opportunity" to expand business to create further job creation in the private sector. Private companies, then would push to be more competitive to gain more consumer loyalty, more options, more programs, higher efficiency, and cost productive. Personally I see a BETTER opportunity that's available that would boost an already stagnant and crippled economy, as well as cut the responsibilty of further DEBT to the Federal Government.

Despite the current hatred of the government and its programs, the post office is necessary for official government correspondence and to maintain contact with all of its citizens. It's also a national security issue, and for the same reason we shouldn't have a private army, would also should not cede the postal service to private industry. Electronic communication can and does fail, and in a national emergency, the government needs infrastructure in place to communicate. In any case, the problem with the post office could be easily solved by a combination of closing unnecessary offices, restructuring pension and benefit programs, and raising the price of stamps. There is not a private delivery company that would be willing to provide universal delivery to every citizen of the country for 44 cents. Whatever you might think you're saving by not hearing about massive deficits which the taxpayer has to subsidize, you would end up paying in increased postage and fees. And in this case, I don't think the free market will make any difference in the provision of services; providing one price universal access has a cost that the free market would not change. Better to leave these jobs in the government's hands.
 

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