Government Employment Same Rate as 1976

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    Government workers as a percentage of the population is about the same as it was 35 years ago. There are relatively fewer federal employees than at any time since at least 1976. Those blips are temporary census workers.

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    In fact, if you exclude those employed in education, the rate of government employment has fallen since 1976. Teachers and others working in education account for nearly half of all government employees.

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    http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2010/09/government-employment-since-1976.html
     
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    What would the cost be compared to 1976? I just read recently that the average gubamint employee makes 120K in pay and benefits whereas the average civilian employee doing the same job makes about half.

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    So while employment could be the same, the cost could be much higher.
     
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    I think the cost is higher, particularly when you include pensions and benefits. Government employee pension plans will be a problem in the future.
     
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    You were right up until the point where you said "doing the same job" Government Employees make considerably less than their counterparts in the private sector when you look at comparable job titles

    Compare a Government accountant to a private acccountaint, a government engineer to a private industry engineer, government starting pay to private sector starting pay, government lawyer to private sector lawyer.........The government will pay LESS in each case

    If you really want a disparity....look at the pay of a government executive to private sector executive
     
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    You do make valid points. The private sector pay is much higher for those positions. The problems I see are twofold:

    1. Civilian employment is generally "at will" meaning the company can let you go at anytime. It takes a very long time to hire a government employee and once they get hired, it's very difficult to get rid of them for almost any cause.

    2. Many people, myself included, question the need to have such a large government in the first place. The government is there to support and defend our freedoms, our rights and our country. It's not supposed to be used as a federal "jobs program" of sorts.
     
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    All toro is doing is proving that those people are costing us much more money for less service.

    The size of all that government is now 45% of GDP.
     
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    The average govt employee salary is around 100,000. These aren't seen on the GS pay scales. After the agency matches the employees investment in the I, G, C, funds and the group health care that govt employees get the salary is around 100,000 on average. Now, when you get higher up the scale such as GS 11s, 12s, the salary rate goes even higher.
     
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    Toro, I have seen many a graph claiming that such employment has risen sharply, and now hovers around 50%. Are the authors of such graphs just flat out lying?

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    They're a problem in the here and now.

    What do you think all the "stimulus" spending and "saved jobs" directed at state employees in general, and AFSCME & AFT/NEA members in particular, was all about?
     
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    What is a "large government"??

    Is 2% of the population a large amount? We have over 300 million people and the largest economy on earth ....and yet we have a smaller government percentage wise than any other industrialized country
     

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