GOP wants to make sure the economy does not improve

[asterism]

....at least not under Obama.

Fed chairman gets letter from GOP leaders: No stimulus - Sep. 21, 2011

Yup, their goal is to stiffle any economic growth before the 2012 elections. Another excellent example of their platform of "Party over Country"

Are you saying a second stimulus would improve the economy? It didn't under the first one.

Prove it didn't. This is one more example of a parrot offering a 'truth' without any proof or supporting evidence.

Prove the economy didn't improve under the first stimulus?

Unemployment rate in January 2009: 7.8% link
Unemployment rate today: 9.1% link

That is not improvement. Retract your accusation of me being a "parrot" and not offering any proof or supporting evidence.

Labor participation rate in January 2009: 65.5% link
Labor participation rate today: 64.0% link

Define "improve";

Things are better now than they were before. That would be an improvement.

remember, we were on the brink of collapse in January 2009 when President Obama took the oath of office.

That is what is being said now. Back then we were being told that things would get very bad and would eventually recover or things would improve faster if the ARRA was implemented.

The "brink of collapse" was before Obama took office. We can debate whether TARP saved us if you'd like.

Prove, or at least make an argument sans cliches and talking points, that the UE rate would not be 15% or more if he had not passed the stimulus act?

15%? Where are you getting that rate? Who predicted 15% without the stimulus?

 

[asterism]

They did not stifle the economy did they?

The tax cuts did the opposite of that.

The world saw we were serious about deficit reduction and we boomed.

What the right is proposing is yet more of what Bush gave us which turned out exactly How for the country?


Its tax policy that proves your team dead wrong on their predictions of what a tax hike on these people would produce.

It proved the left dead on in what they woudl produce.

NOT once in history has tax cuts and deregulation done what the right claims it will do.

NOT ONCE!

"The world saw we were serious about deficit reduction and we boomed."

Hmmmmm........

That sounds good, but how exactly? How did "the world" seeing us as serious about deficit reduction make us "boom?" And how is the current plan of perpetual higher increases in our deficit compared to the 1990s going to deliver similar results?

 

[Dragon]

Are you saying a second stimulus would improve the economy? It didn't under the first one.

Yes, it did.

Recovery Act Jobs Still Critical to Our Economy

It did not permanently end our troubles because it was too piddling and sustained for too short a time to do that. But for what it was, it did work.

Unemployment increased after the stimulus had run out, not while it was ongoing.

Oh, and tax cuts for the rich don't do squat. Jobs are created not because investors' money burns a hole in their pockets, but because unmet consumer demand exists. We have no shortage of capital. We have a shortage of customers.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

....at least not under Obama.

Fed chairman gets letter from GOP leaders: No stimulus - Sep. 21, 2011

Yup, their goal is to stiffle any economic growth before the 2012 elections. Another excellent example of their platform of "Party over Country"

If that were true, they'd pass Obama's proposal.

Good to see you're not slacking on your party talking point, Jim. Did they send the memo out this morning?

 

[Truthmatters]

They did not stifle the economy did they?

The tax cuts did the opposite of that.

The world saw we were serious about deficit reduction and we boomed.

What the right is proposing is yet more of what Bush gave us which turned out exactly How for the country?


Its tax policy that proves your team dead wrong on their predictions of what a tax hike on these people would produce.

It proved the left dead on in what they woudl produce.

NOT once in history has tax cuts and deregulation done what the right claims it will do.

NOT ONCE!

"The world saw we were serious about deficit reduction and we boomed."

Hmmmmm........

That sounds good, but how exactly? How did "the world" seeing us as serious about deficit reduction make us "boom?" And how is the current plan of perpetual higher increases in our deficit compared to the 1990s going to deliver similar results?

international investment in the American economy.


I thought your teams whole plan was set on reducing the deficit so the economy will boom?


You hated it when Clinton did and and then tried to claim the credit.

Now you want deficit reduction after you crashed the economy again with deregulation and a war built on lies.

One problem we have to restart the economy again first since you guys killed it.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Are you saying a second stimulus would improve the economy? It didn't under the first one.

Prove it didn't. This is one more example of a parrot offering a 'truth' without any proof or supporting evidence.

Prove the economy didn't improve under the first stimulus?

Unemployment rate in January 2009: 7.8% link
Unemployment rate today: 9.1% link

That is not improvement. Retract your accusation of me being a "parrot" and not offering any proof or supporting evidence.

Labor participation rate in January 2009: 65.5% link
Labor participation rate today: 64.0% link



Things are better now than they were before. That would be an improvement.

remember, we were on the brink of collapse in January 2009 when President Obama took the oath of office.

That is what is being said now. Back then we were being told that things would get very bad and would eventually recover or things would improve faster if the ARRA was implemented.

The "brink of collapse" was before Obama took office. We can debate whether TARP saved us if you'd like.

Prove, or at least make an argument sans cliches and talking points, that the UE rate would not be 15% or more if he had not passed the stimulus act?

15%? Where are you getting that rate? Who predicted 15% without the stimulus?

Silly parrot, UE grew in 2009 under a Bush budget; it took time for any effect the stimulus had to kick in; UE has stablized. The ARRA of 2009 is still working, still employing a great number of workers in highway and bridge repair as we speak, workers who would otherwise not be employed. Workers paying their mortgage/rent, buying goods and services and so fueling our economy the result of the Federal Gov't acting.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We need more of Downgraded Obama Failed Stimulus like the Titanic needed to hit a second iceberg to close the gaping hole made by the first.

The Democrats Party already got our credit downgraded with the crack addict spending habits and they won't rest until they turn the USA into Argentina or Greece

 

[Conservative]

They did not stifle the economy did they?

The tax cuts did the opposite of that.

The world saw we were serious about deficit reduction and we boomed.

What the right is proposing is yet more of what Bush gave us which turned out exactly How for the country?


Its tax policy that proves your team dead wrong on their predictions of what a tax hike on these people would produce.

It proved the left dead on in what they woudl produce.

NOT once in history has tax cuts and deregulation done what the right claims it will do.

NOT ONCE!

I have asked you several times to provide a more recent poll, showing Obama is more trusted on the deficit.
Can you... or can you not?

It's a fairly simple question TM.. even one with your limited mental faculties should be able to answer it.

keep it up and you will get banned

 

[Truthmatters]

Do your own research and quit spaming everyones threads with your attempts to derail discussions

 

[JimH52]

....at least not under Obama.

Fed chairman gets letter from GOP leaders: No stimulus - Sep. 21, 2011

Yup, their goal is to stiffle any economic growth before the 2012 elections. Another excellent example of their platform of "Party over Country"

make sure the economy doesn't improve ?? The GOP forced Clinton to cut spending and balance the budget !! Reaganomics brought in nearly 25 YRs of economic growth !!Bush inherited a recession and a terror attack that was treated as criminal actions by the previous administration instead of war and using our military intelligence and resources to fight them giving us 911 !! Bush cut taxes the economy boomed again and the military kept us safe !! these are the facts !! libbs and the community reinvestment act are the biggst causes of what we have today !! And the lefts answers are to tax and spend more !! the fact that the GOP is better for America will be realized in 2013 when we control the congress and the White House !!The contrast between conservative prosperity and liberal waste will be so shocking that the left will be crippled!!

You are very delusional. I expect you are an alien from Mars who only now has found Earth.....or a republican...

 

[JimH52]

We need more of Downgraded Obama Failed Stimulus like the Titanic needed to hit a second iceberg to close the gaping hole made by the first.

The Democrats Party already got our credit downgraded with the crack addict spending habits and they won't rest until they turn the USA into Argentina or Greece

No Frank, your Godly republican heros were the ones who assured a reduced credit rating. Remember? They prayed for it. They applauded it. They advocated it. You should be very please...you and Batcrazy Bachmann.

 

[hortysir]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing time and time again and expecting different results.


If $800B didn't do it, why would $400B??

 

[Stephanie]

We need more of Downgraded Obama Failed Stimulus like the Titanic needed to hit a second iceberg to close the gaping hole made by the first.

The Democrats Party already got our credit downgraded with the crack addict spending habits and they won't rest until they turn the USA into Argentina or Greece

No Frank, your Godly republican heros were the ones who assured a reduced credit rating. Remember? They prayed for it. They applauded it. They advocated it. You should be very please...you and Batcrazy Bachmann.

my gawd, take a chill pill. Nobody prayed for or applauded ANYTHING. get a friggen grip.
Just HOW did the Republicans ASSURE there would be a reduced credit rating?

 

[rdean]

The right would do anything to "get" Obama. They say it's not race, but it's about 90% of the problem. Course, the Republican Party is 90% white. Funny how that works out.

 

[flacaltenn]

The shaman has run out of tricks.. The object is to entertain the natives with blue smoke and mirrors long enough for natural forces to end the frightening eclipse or whatever.

The only thing left is to let the DEMS continue the "good medicine" so that enough damage gets done to make the village idiot understand. Then we can fire their asses and bring on people who believe that an expanding economy is a good thing and not a Capitalistic curse.

 

[expat_panama]

The right would do anything to "get" Obama. They say it's not race, but it's about 90% of the problem. Course, the Republican Party is 90% white. Funny how that works out.

fwiw, this thread (Fed chairman gets letter from GOP leaders: No stimulus - Sep. 21, 2011) is not about Republicans fighting with Obama's struggle with taxes, it's about Republicans fighting with what Bernanke's doing with interest rates.

Maybe we can agree that the Republicans are stupid to fight with Bernanke.

Please tell me if I'm getting your belief system right or if you'd prefer to state any of the following:

--Obama's black and black is good.
--Republican's are white and that's bad.
--Economy is bad because of labor surplus.
--Obama's taxes make economy better.
--Republicans are racist when they fight Obama's taxes.
--Republican racists hurt the economy.​

 

[editec]

They don't need to work too awfully hard at that.

All the conditions for a world wide depression are pretty much already in place.

Naturally they do need to continue blaming Obama and the stimulus for all the woes facing us, but that is really just propaganda for the home audience.

This economy is not going to improve much regardless of what the GOP does or does not do.

STill, your point that they are obstructionists bent on making things worse for the people does have some merit.

Their most recent and most obvious example of that was their refusal to work to raise the debt level.

That assinine move cost America a LOT of faith and confidence in the economic world.

World depression based on what?

Although there have been some natural calamities due to shifting climate trends and some unpredictable factors there is not much that is really fueling this, except for "fear". Aside from Italy and Greece, most European nations aren't in bad shape. And by that..the stuff that makes a country "wealthy"; mining, agriculture, manufacturing..and now "information gathering" is relatively stable.

So what we have is a money crisis. And this is basically as a result of what looks to be a world wide fraud.

It's my hope that, on a world wide basis, the world evaluates the folly of allowing a greedy cadre of people to accumulate wealth, unchecked.

Because this is the sort of nonsense that springs out of that. Almost every time.

Debt and wealth distribution, Sallow.

If you're objection is that the economy could be (should be) better -- if but only things could change -- I quite agree.

But the Masters to whom these dubious debts are owed aren't likely to have a sudden change of heart, are they? Why should they? This system is designed for their benefit.

What we are experiencing worldwide is the inevitable outcome of the economic system we have in place. A system that gives every advantage to a very select group of folks.

Inevitably this kind of system is bound to get constipated with debt because the only way that money comes into being is by creating still more debt.

As the wealth distrivution gets so bad that even governments cannot keep up with that debt, depressions must follow.

 

[Dragon]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing time and time again and expecting different results.

If $800B didn't do it, why would $400B??

If you're going to do that, you also need to stick with what actually happened instead of with something you made up.

$800 billion didn't "do it," but it did help. The proper conclusion, then, is that we need more like another $800 billion, not another $400 billion. Or maybe more. How much, in today's dollars, was spent to fight World War II? That stimulus worked very well indeed.

 

[hortysir]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing time and time again and expecting different results.

If $800B didn't do it, why would $400B??

If you're going to do that, you also need to stick with what actually happened instead of with something you made up.

$800 billion didn't "do it," but it did help. The proper conclusion, then, is that we need more like another $800 billion, not another $400 billion. Or maybe more. How much, in today's dollars, was spent to fight World War II? That stimulus worked very well indeed.

Please elaborate.


And just where in the FUCK do you propose we get another $800B??
What are you willing to cut to find it?

 

[driveby]

....at least not under Obama.

Fed chairman gets letter from GOP leaders: No stimulus - Sep. 21, 2011

Yup, their goal is to stiffle any economic growth before the 2012 elections. Another excellent example of their platform of "Party over Country"

tissue ?......