GOP: The Party of the Self Fulfilling Prophecy

[Antiderivative]

Federal role in disaster relief will be a disaster (re: Katrina).

 

[bodecea]

Can government ever work?

Government only works when it rules with an iron fist and a moral foundation. The government of this country will never do either, not to mention BOTH.

Seig Heil!

 

[rdean]

hey Steel.....do you think that there are Republican/Conservatives who are more Liberal or Moderate than the far right Conservative crowd,and will not buy the shit that those people throw out there?........

Once again, fair question.... yes I do... but most of them aren't on this message board. They are neither bitter or angry...nor do they choose to blame Obama for every bad turn in their lives.

Let me ask you a question... do you think that there are Democrats/progressives that aren't secret Socialists or Communists? Do you think that the "Progressive Agenda" that gets so much hatred on this message board, could be an agenda of balance?

Let's face it.... no one has benefited more from the past 30 years more than the extremely wealthy.... no one... Not one slice of our country has seen more in the way of financial success than those that were already wealthy to begin with, and the "new money" that happened to be lucky enough to nail two things together in a new way. The rest of the population(which is the vast majority of the nation) has suffered while they raked it in.

But you know what? There's not ONE of us progressives that want to "take all their money and redistribute it". That is nothing more than right wing hyperbolic fear mongering.

We see that Health Care Costs are skyrocketing... BECAUSE of the "FOR PROFIT" Health Care system we have. We see unfunded wars(Obama's included) raging on with no real end in sight and see how much it's costing us. We see an almost insurmountable Trade Deficit that is killing us to the tune of over $500B/year.

Then we hear from the Shiites that it's Social Security(a funded entity) and Medicare(also funded) that is killing us... All because they don't want to hurt big business, which is very much involved in our health care system and making shit for our military.

We see the hypocrisy of people who want government out of their lives, but want to legislate against abortion or homosexuality, or even repealing the Civil Rights Amendment.

So yeah... I do believe that there are moderates. Do you believe there are moderates on our side?.... that seems to be the real question... because like I said... negative posts against Progressives are here in a 10:1 ratio(at least).

I am against MOST gun Control. I believe in Capitalism... up to the point where it is now... killing our country. I believe in God, I love my country and I served it proudly in the early 80's.

But to many of these people on here, I am a Communist and anti-American... just because they think they are the "real Patriots" and we are trying to subvert their "America". Well, to that... I say.... It's our America too.

Once again, fair question.... yes I do... but most of them aren't on this message board. They are neither bitter or angry...nor do they choose to blame Obama for every bad turn in their lives.


Dean the guy your defending doesn't think they exist,here or in real life.....one of the reasons he gets dumped on so much.....when he says Republicans and what he then says about them......he means they ALL feel that way.....no variances....as he has said...."a Republican is a Republican is a Republican"....they dont think as an individual must go with the Party....only Democrats will buck the Party line....


Let me ask you a question... do you think that there are Democrats/progressives that aren't secret Socialists or Communists? Do you think that the "Progressive Agenda" that gets so much hatred on this message board, could be an agenda of balance?

yes.....i dont feel that way about 90% of the Democrats......the FAR Left i have a different opinion of....Democrats have good ideas as well as bad ones.....the Far Left just like the Far Right can go to hell as far as i am concerned....


So yeah... I do believe that there are moderates. Do you believe there are moderates on our side?.... that seems to be the real question... because like I said... negative posts against Progressives are here in a 10:1 ratio(at least).


yes i do.....whenever i take one of them Political tests i fall into the Conservative Democrat to Liberal Republican range......sometimes depending on the subject i can go further either way....in the 70's and 80's i was pretty much a die-hard Democrat....

You accused me of saying "ALL" Republicans before this. I told you to "prove" it. You couldn't then and you couldn't now. We know that 90% of the Republican Party is white and mostly Christian, but that doesn't make it "ALL".

Such an obvious lie.

Saying only 6% of scientists are Republican is not a lie because there is data to support it.

That's typical right wing MO. State a lie you just made up and then attack someone for that lie even though it was you who made up the lie.

Right wingers complain about what I say, but instead of proving me wrong, they call me names. It's a pretty poor deflection.

 

[Harry Dresden]

You accused me of saying "ALL" Republicans before this. I told you to "prove" it. You couldn't then and you couldn't now. We know that 90% of the Republican Party is white and mostly Christian, but that doesn't make it "ALL".

Such an obvious lie.

Saying only 6% of scientists are Republican is not a lie because there is data to support it.

That's typical right wing MO. State a lie you just made up and then attack someone for that lie even though it was you who made up the lie.

Right wingers complain about what I say, but instead of proving me wrong, they call me names. It's a pretty poor deflection.

You accused me of saying "ALL" Republicans before this. I told you to "prove" it. You couldn't then and you couldn't now. We know that 90% of the Republican Party is white and mostly Christian, but that doesn't make it "ALL".


bullfucking shit ...........Steel doesnt know you that well Dean.....but most here do......when you say REPUBLICANS want to make Homosexuality a crime......how come you never say the FAR Right?.....or SOME Republicans.....you always say REPUBLICANS.....that includes ALL Republicans......when asked to clarify yourself you never do OR wont or will give a smart ass answer.....why is that Dean?.....eventually everyone here gets to see how you post.....most Liberals here....except for the ones as far left as you....think your somewhat over the top.....and some have told you this.....if you were "slightly Left of Center" like you said in that other thread....you would then be considered a Conservative Democrat.....and would have some criticisms of some Liberal posters here.....which you never do ..... and you would find some stuff by the more Liberal Conservatives to be ok....but yet you never do.....its always bad mouthing the GOP for every thing in life......while the Democrats just cant seem to do anything wrong in your world......your as about as Slightly Left of Center as Rabbi is Slightly Right of Center....your a fucking fraud Dean and not man enough to stand by your own dam Statements here......but thats fine......because your not fooling anyone....

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The GOP is the self fulfilling prophecy.

They said Government doesn't work, so when voted into office, they broke it.

They broke the government? Can I get a refund?

They said government can't regulate so they deregulated everything related to business and regulated woman and gays and minority Americans.

They regulated gays into a minority? Were they a majority at some point?

If they did try to regulate women into a minority they actually failed, there are more women than men in the US.

They said we can't "nation build" and then invaded Iraq to show America it can't be done.

And they did a fantastic job, too bad Obama didn't learn from the example.

They said Obama can't make the hard choices and then tried to take credit for getting Bin Laden.

Getting bin Laden was a hard choice? How?

They asked, "Where is the president's plan"? And when he came up with one that 75% spending cuts and 25% revenue, they walked out.

Really?

Obama was backing down on those spending cuts, and was caving to his party about actually fixing both Social Security and Medicare in a way that is supported by both conservative and progressive economists. He then wanted to throw in imaginary future tax increases to go with his imaginary future spending cuts. If Bush had proposed the exact same thing you would have been screaming, so stop pretending you like it when Obama does it.

First they said, "Democrats won't negotiate" and then said, "It's our way or the high way".

So?

So when Republicans say, "Government doesn't work", they are right. Every time they are voted into office, they make sure "Government doesn't work" just to prove they were right from the very beginning.

Yet you keep insisting that the government is a good thing.

Why is that?

Can government ever work?

No, which is why we should get rid of it.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Fair enough question... why does he post the same things over and over? because he's right... or at least right enough. Perhaps he feels if he says the same things over and over again, that it will sink into your incredibly thick heads and your incredibly hard hearts. That method has worked pretty well for you guys through the medium of AM Radio and FOXNEWS... so maybe it will work again to deprogram you.

Oh... BTW.... why do you guys keep posting the same "Libruls Suck" threads that you always do... filled with hate and derision for anyone who isn't like you? I would be willing to bet that threads started by your side lambasting(with vitriol) "libruls" outnumber threads started by progressives lambasting Conservatives 10-1.

If he is right you should be able to provide examples.

Why don't you link to Obama's plan that included 75% spending cuts and 25% tax increases. I won't hold my breathe, because even if Obama is actually telling the truth in his press conferences, that is not what he proposed.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

No politician and no political party has ever said "government doesn't work". The phrase is an invention of the fevered minds of neo-socialists who want government to control everything. Bloated bureaucracy doesn't work for anyone except the bloated bureaucrats. You can't solve problems by creating another government agency staffed by no-nothings to make arbitrary and often conflicting rules that stifle progress. You could say that the democrat party is the party of self-fulfilling prophecy in a lot of ways. The segregrigationist party created the "great society" that kept Black people on the government plantation and ruined Black families. Democrats are well on their way to fulfill the fake extortion racket called "man-made global warming" and unless we stop them we will end up with a 3rd world Country powered by chicken-shit.

I call bullshit... if anything is going to cause us to become a 3rd world country... it's the Cock Gobbling that our Politicians do to Corporate America. They hand everything to them on a silver platter and the GOP is the worst of the bunch when it comes to it.

If anyone questions why they can't give a little more in taxation, the Right wing media cranks up the presses and the airwaves and gets "little brains" to start nodding their heads again. You guys are the victims of the most outrageous Marketing Campaign ever conceived. One that is designed to get them more and more... and will do absolutely nothing for 90% of you.

If the GOP is the worst bunch at doing that why did Obama raise record donations from Wall Street and corporations? Why is Obamacare chock full of goodies for big pharma and the insurance companies?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Once again, fair question.... yes I do... but most of them aren't on this message board. They are neither bitter or angry...nor do they choose to blame Obama for every bad turn in their lives.

Let me ask you a question... do you think that there are Democrats/progressives that aren't secret Socialists or Communists? Do you think that the "Progressive Agenda" that gets so much hatred on this message board, could be an agenda of balance?

Let's face it.... no one has benefited more from the past 30 years more than the extremely wealthy.... no one... Not one slice of our country has seen more in the way of financial success than those that were already wealthy to begin with, and the "new money" that happened to be lucky enough to nail two things together in a new way. The rest of the population(which is the vast majority of the nation) has suffered while they raked it in.

But you know what? There's not ONE of us progressives that want to "take all their money and redistribute it". That is nothing more than right wing hyperbolic fear mongering.

We see that Health Care Costs are skyrocketing... BECAUSE of the "FOR PROFIT" Health Care system we have. We see unfunded wars(Obama's included) raging on with no real end in sight and see how much it's costing us. We see an almost insurmountable Trade Deficit that is killing us to the tune of over $500B/year.

Then we hear from the Shiites that it's Social Security(a funded entity) and Medicare(also funded) that is killing us... All because they don't want to hurt big business, which is very much involved in our health care system and making shit for our military.

We see the hypocrisy of people who want government out of their lives, but want to legislate against abortion or homosexuality, or even repealing the Civil Rights Amendment.

So yeah... I do believe that there are moderates. Do you believe there are moderates on our side?.... that seems to be the real question... because like I said... negative posts against Progressives are here in a 10:1 ratio(at least).

I am against MOST gun Control. I believe in Capitalism... up to the point where it is now... killing our country. I believe in God, I love my country and I served it proudly in the early 80's.

But to many of these people on here, I am a Communist and anti-American... just because they think they are the "real Patriots" and we are trying to subvert their "America". Well, to that... I say.... It's our America too.

Once again, fair question.... yes I do... but most of them aren't on this message board. They are neither bitter or angry...nor do they choose to blame Obama for every bad turn in their lives.


Dean the guy your defending doesn't think they exist,here or in real life.....one of the reasons he gets dumped on so much.....when he says Republicans and what he then says about them......he means they ALL feel that way.....no variances....as he has said...."a Republican is a Republican is a Republican"....they dont think as an individual must go with the Party....only Democrats will buck the Party line....


Let me ask you a question... do you think that there are Democrats/progressives that aren't secret Socialists or Communists? Do you think that the "Progressive Agenda" that gets so much hatred on this message board, could be an agenda of balance?

yes.....i dont feel that way about 90% of the Democrats......the FAR Left i have a different opinion of....Democrats have good ideas as well as bad ones.....the Far Left just like the Far Right can go to hell as far as i am concerned....


So yeah... I do believe that there are moderates. Do you believe there are moderates on our side?.... that seems to be the real question... because like I said... negative posts against Progressives are here in a 10:1 ratio(at least).


yes i do.....whenever i take one of them Political tests i fall into the Conservative Democrat to Liberal Republican range......sometimes depending on the subject i can go further either way....in the 70's and 80's i was pretty much a die-hard Democrat....

You accused me of saying "ALL" Republicans before this. I told you to "prove" it. You couldn't then and you couldn't now. We know that 90% of the Republican Party is white and mostly Christian, but that doesn't make it "ALL".

Such an obvious lie.

Saying only 6% of scientists are Republican is not a lie because there is data to support it.

That's typical right wing MO. State a lie you just made up and then attack someone for that lie even though it was you who made up the lie.

Right wingers complain about what I say, but instead of proving me wrong, they call me names. It's a pretty poor deflection.

Everything you post is a lie, even the stuff I agree with.

 

[Steelplate]

No politician and no political party has ever said "government doesn't work". The phrase is an invention of the fevered minds of neo-socialists who want government to control everything. Bloated bureaucracy doesn't work for anyone except the bloated bureaucrats. You can't solve problems by creating another government agency staffed by no-nothings to make arbitrary and often conflicting rules that stifle progress. You could say that the democrat party is the party of self-fulfilling prophecy in a lot of ways. The segregrigationist party created the "great society" that kept Black people on the government plantation and ruined Black families. Democrats are well on their way to fulfill the fake extortion racket called "man-made global warming" and unless we stop them we will end up with a 3rd world Country powered by chicken-shit.

I call bullshit... if anything is going to cause us to become a 3rd world country... it's the Cock Gobbling that our Politicians do to Corporate America. They hand everything to them on a silver platter and the GOP is the worst of the bunch when it comes to it.

If anyone questions why they can't give a little more in taxation, the Right wing media cranks up the presses and the airwaves and gets "little brains" to start nodding their heads again. You guys are the victims of the most outrageous Marketing Campaign ever conceived. One that is designed to get them more and more... and will do absolutely nothing for 90% of you.

If the GOP is the worst bunch at doing that why did Obama raise record donations from Wall Street and corporations? Why is Obamacare chock full of goodies for big pharma and the insurance companies?

Why did Obama take donations from Wall Street and Corporations? To get elected, you moron. They all take that money for their election and re-election campaigns. The difference is... the GOP is their party of choice. They hedge their bets with the Democrats, but they know that the GOP is where they get their backs scratched the most.

Why is Obamacare chock full of goodies for Big Pharma and the Insurance Companies? because Obama is not the Socialist your side thinks he is. Not only that... But because of the Tea Party, the GOP, the Shock Jocks on AM Radio, and big business interests LIKE Big Pharma and Insurance Companies.... The Health Care Bill was watered down to a lesser bill than it could have been. Truth is... the reason Big Pharma and Insurance Companies got their way is because of Money and Shiites.

OK... I answered your questions. How about some of my own...

Why is it that you want Social Security blown up? How can you trust Wall Street not to destroy your nestegg for quick profits like they have so often before?

What is your side's obsession with workers organizing for better wages and benefits? Speaking of Benefits.... don't you think it would have been cheaper for a Comprehensive health Care package to go through(spreading the cost across the nation)than Companies(or individuals) paying $12-15k/year to keep their family's covered? I know that under a single payer system, it wouldn't cost nearly that much. Don't you think that because that burden was removed from employers... that it would have freed up money for hires or to pass that savings onto employees in the form of higher wages?

You'd think they would have jumped on it. Perhaps there was something MORE to their mindset... CONTROL. When an employee needs health insurance... they are less likely to take chances... Finding a better job, starting their own business, etc. Health Care is one of their forms of controlling their workforce.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

So rdean is suggesting that Republicans broke the government that Democrats have majority control over?

Hilarious rdean. Make every excuse you want. You can blame everyone but yourself. But until you admit the real problem is with you and yours, you will never fix any of the problems.

 

[ShackledNation]

Let me rephrase for you:

They said Government doesn't work, yet when voted into office, they expanded government.

They said government can't regulate yet they expanded regulation.

They said we can't "nation build" yet then invaded or support wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

They said Obama can't make the hard choices yet Obama did make hard choices: just the wrong ones.

So when Republicans say, "Government doesn't work", they are right. Whether you are a Democrat or Republican, it doesn't. So stop trying.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I call bullshit... if anything is going to cause us to become a 3rd world country... it's the Cock Gobbling that our Politicians do to Corporate America. They hand everything to them on a silver platter and the GOP is the worst of the bunch when it comes to it.

If anyone questions why they can't give a little more in taxation, the Right wing media cranks up the presses and the airwaves and gets "little brains" to start nodding their heads again. You guys are the victims of the most outrageous Marketing Campaign ever conceived. One that is designed to get them more and more... and will do absolutely nothing for 90% of you.

If the GOP is the worst bunch at doing that why did Obama raise record donations from Wall Street and corporations? Why is Obamacare chock full of goodies for big pharma and the insurance companies?

Why did Obama take donations from Wall Street and Corporations? To get elected, you moron. They all take that money for their election and re-election campaigns. The difference is... the GOP is their party of choice. They hedge their bets with the Democrats, but they know that the GOP is where they get their backs scratched the most.

Why is Obamacare chock full of goodies for Big Pharma and the Insurance Companies? because Obama is not the Socialist your side thinks he is. Not only that... But because of the Tea Party, the GOP, the Shock Jocks on AM Radio, and big business interests LIKE Big Pharma and Insurance Companies.... The Health Care Bill was watered down to a lesser bill than it could have been. Truth is... the reason Big Pharma and Insurance Companies got their way is because of Money and Shiites.

OK... I answered your questions. How about some of my own...

Why is it that you want Social Security blown up? How can you trust Wall Street not to destroy your nestegg for quick profits like they have so often before?

What is your side's obsession with workers organizing for better wages and benefits? Speaking of Benefits.... don't you think it would have been cheaper for a Comprehensive health Care package to go through(spreading the cost across the nation)than Companies(or individuals) paying $12-15k/year to keep their family's covered? I know that under a single payer system, it wouldn't cost nearly that much. Don't you think that because that burden was removed from employers... that it would have freed up money for hires or to pass that savings onto employees in the form of higher wages?

You'd think they would have jumped on it. Perhaps there was something MORE to their mindset... CONTROL. When an employee needs health insurance... they are less likely to take chances... Finding a better job, starting their own business, etc. Health Care is one of their forms of controlling their workforce.

Since you obviously missed the point, let me rephrase the question.

If the Republicans are the party that is in the pocket of big business why didn't all those corporations give that money to McCain instead of Obama? Why did Obama urge Congress to pass spending bills that directly benefited huge corporations at the expense of poor people?

Please show me anywhere I advocate blowing up anything. What makes you think you have any idea what side I am on if you think I want to blow things up?

 

[Steelplate]

Since you obviously missed the point, let me rephrase the question.

If the Republicans are the party that is in the pocket of big business why didn't all those corporations give that money to McCain instead of Obama? Why did Obama urge Congress to pass spending bills that directly benefited huge corporations at the expense of poor people?

Please show me anywhere I advocate blowing up anything. What makes you think you have any idea what side I am on if you think I want to blow things up?

Why do you think? I'll tell you my opinion. Big business saw the writing on the wall and figured McCain wasn't going to make it. So they went all in on Obama.

I already addressed the Health Care thing... reread my post.

Well... If an apology is due... Please accept it. Do you realize how many shiites I have to try and debate? So sorry if I mistook you for one of the horde.

So... Instead of keeping it a secret... what side ARE you on?

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

Also, there ARE some Dems on Wall St. who would be desperate to get the Pub thieves and enablers OUT. ....Stupidest, greediest party in the world. Boom and bust deregulators and enforcement cutters. Thanks for the SECOND Pub Great Depression...GREAT salesmen and liars- no wonder they have so many dupes...Only THEY believe in the Flag and the bible...LOL!!

 

[Steelplate]

Also, there ARE some Dems on Wall St. who would be desperate to get the Pub thieves and enablers OUT. ....Stupidest, greediest party in the world. Boom and bust deregulators and enforcement cutters. Thanks for the SECOND Pub Great Depression...GREAT salesmen and liars- no wonder they have so many dupes...Only THEY believe in the Flag and the bible...LOL!!

masters at marketing too... They use phrases like "American exceptionalism" and Self reliance...Personal responsibility...etc..

But what they don't tell the AVERAGE AMERICAN is that they then turn around and pander to their main benefactors(the incredibly wealthy) and stack the deck against the same people they are trying to convince.

 

[Harry Dresden]

So rdean is suggesting that Republicans broke the government that Democrats have majority control over?

Hilarious rdean. Make every excuse you want. You can blame everyone but yourself. But until you admit the real problem is with you and yours, you will never fix any of the problems.

Dam.....finally this asshole gets banned......

 

[rdean]

The GOP is the self fulfilling prophecy.

They said Government doesn't work, so when voted into office, they broke it.

They broke the government? Can I get a refund?

They said government can't regulate so they deregulated everything related to business and regulated woman and gays and minority Americans.

They regulated gays into a minority? Were they a majority at some point?

If they did try to regulate women into a minority they actually failed, there are more women than men in the US.



And they did a fantastic job, too bad Obama didn't learn from the example.



Getting bin Laden was a hard choice? How?



Really?

Obama was backing down on those spending cuts, and was caving to his party about actually fixing both Social Security and Medicare in a way that is supported by both conservative and progressive economists. He then wanted to throw in imaginary future tax increases to go with his imaginary future spending cuts. If Bush had proposed the exact same thing you would have been screaming, so stop pretending you like it when Obama does it.



So?

So when Republicans say, "Government doesn't work", they are right. Every time they are voted into office, they make sure "Government doesn't work" just to prove they were right from the very beginning.

Yet you keep insisting that the government is a good thing.

Why is that?

Can government ever work?

No, which is why we should get rid of it.

Here we go, a right winger who has shown they are as stupid as fuck. You can't debate some this stupid.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The GOP is the self fulfilling prophecy.

They said Government doesn't work, so when voted into office, they broke it.

They broke the government? Can I get a refund?



They regulated gays into a minority? Were they a majority at some point?

If they did try to regulate women into a minority they actually failed, there are more women than men in the US.



And they did a fantastic job, too bad Obama didn't learn from the example.



Getting bin Laden was a hard choice? How?



Really?

Obama was backing down on those spending cuts, and was caving to his party about actually fixing both Social Security and Medicare in a way that is supported by both conservative and progressive economists. He then wanted to throw in imaginary future tax increases to go with his imaginary future spending cuts. If Bush had proposed the exact same thing you would have been screaming, so stop pretending you like it when Obama does it.



So?



Yet you keep insisting that the government is a good thing.

Why is that?

Can government ever work?

No, which is why we should get rid of it.

Here we go, a right winger who has shown they are as stupid as fuck. You can't debate some this stupid.

Joke you if you can't take a fuck.

 

[rdean]

They broke the government? Can I get a refund?



They regulated gays into a minority? Were they a majority at some point?

If they did try to regulate women into a minority they actually failed, there are more women than men in the US.



And they did a fantastic job, too bad Obama didn't learn from the example.



Getting bin Laden was a hard choice? How?



Really?

Obama was backing down on those spending cuts, and was caving to his party about actually fixing both Social Security and Medicare in a way that is supported by both conservative and progressive economists. He then wanted to throw in imaginary future tax increases to go with his imaginary future spending cuts. If Bush had proposed the exact same thing you would have been screaming, so stop pretending you like it when Obama does it.



So?



Yet you keep insisting that the government is a good thing.

Why is that?



No, which is why we should get rid of it.

Here we go, a right winger who has shown they are as stupid as fuck. You can't debate some this stupid.

Joke you if you can't take a fuck.

That's no joke. You were being truthful.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You are a joke, which makes everything I say to you a joke.