GOP should call Obama's bluff on "Tax the rich"

[konradv]

Obamas bitch tax warfare is DOA. Have no worries

Doesn't he just have to let the Bush tax cuts expire? Are the Republicans willing to see taxes go up on everyone? Don't see how that works for them.

 

[chikenwing]

and you want to give them more in the form of tax cuts so they'll use it to


See this is the fundamental problem,they think it everyone money but the people that earn it.

You can't give someone something they already own.

This is the last straw for Obamma for me,he wasn't the man for the job,nor will he ever be.
Desperation bring stupid results,he must think most people are stupid.

 

[DaGoose]

This is the last straw for Obamma for me,he wasn't the man for the job,nor will he ever be.
Desperation bring stupid results,he must think most people are stupid.

Oh yeah, this will really sink him in the polls.

Almost three-quarters of Americans think it is a good idea to raise taxes on people making more than $250,000 per year, according to the latest CBS News/New York Times poll.

In fact, two-thirds of Americans think the tax code should be changed so that middle-class Americans pay less than they do now, while "upper income" people pay more.

Poll: 74 Percent Support Higher Taxes On The Rich - EconWatch - CBS News

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[idb]

Are the Bush tax cuts still in place?

 

[nolebrakai]

Be advised Republicans: 70% of Americans are with Obama on this one, like it or not.

 

[yidnar]

How about this for a strategy:

GOP says "OK President Obama. We'll tax the rich. Tax the shit outta them. You say we obstruct you? Ok. You say the rich dont pay their "fair" share? Ok. Americans....listen to this. We, the GOP, will trust President Obama on this. It's HIS to own. We'll vote for his big tax hike on the rich. We'll trust HIS leadership and ideals on this. We'll pass this immediately. We'll see the results in the economy and debt by next November."

Go ahead. Pass it. Hike taxes on the rich, right now. See what happens. Let Obama run on the results of it, not the idea of it.

I suspect he'd shit his pants when he realizes he'll have to run on the results.

Wrong, it's what needs to be done. On top of that, all of the Bush Tax Cuts need to come to an end. As revenues increase, some of that money can be put into infrastructure spending. What many conservatives don't understand is that a great deal of government spending ends up in the private sector. Cutting that spending will take money out of the private sector and slow growth. While building a bridge to nowhere does not make sense, it does employ people and put money into the economy. We just need to concentrate on the bridges to somewhere rather than the ones to nowhere. There is good government spending and bad government spending.

jobs are not supposed to cost money they are supposed to create money !! ................

 

[Cammmpbell]

How about this for a strategy:

GOP says "OK President Obama. We'll tax the rich. Tax the shit outta them. You say we obstruct you? Ok. You say the rich dont pay their "fair" share? Ok. Americans....listen to this. We, the GOP, will trust President Obama on this. It's HIS to own. We'll vote for his big tax hike on the rich. We'll trust HIS leadership and ideals on this. We'll pass this immediately. We'll see the results in the economy and debt by next November."

Go ahead. Pass it. Hike taxes on the rich, right now. See what happens. Let Obama run on the results of it, not the idea of it.

I suspect he'd shit his pants when he realizes he'll have to run on the results.

I'd think the House would consider Obama's plan and do it now. Bush's last term and Obama's first have left this great country reeling and to blow it off as class warfare would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic.

Cutting taxes didn't work, cutting spending and raising taxes will. The GOP needs to begin thinking as individuals rather than Grover Norquist sheep. It's really ridiculous and not what the voters want. I hope Obama continues taking this to the country.

CLASS WARFARE!!

They started it and Obama explained there was no such thing as the middle class being the culprit in all this mess. Lush Rambo used the term to accomodate his own warped perspective but the origination of the phrase came from the writings of Karl Marx. His "Class Struggle" or "Class War" evolved into "Class Warfare."

Guess what his usage meant? The commoners, peons or slaves getting fed up and rising against those with the power and money. Just the opposite of Limbaugh's intended meaning.

 

[nolebrakai]

ever heard of the saying, it takes money to make money.......

 

[yidnar]

ever heard of the saying, it takes money to make money.......

a bridge to nowhere is a bad investment !!

 

[Moonglow]

Um apparently you haven't been paying attention to the unemployment numbers the past 17+ months and the housing bubble that was create by gov't intervention(brought on by political correctness), namely the CRA. The invisible hand of gov't said we need more affordable housing, no down payment, again NO down payment(high leverage loans), low interest, and you don't have prove your income. How did that work out? Layoffs(lose of taxpayers gubermint revenue), foreclosures(loss of property taxes gubbermint revenue), construction workers out of business...and on and on and on. Conclusion loss gov't revenue..............

Quit being naive of what is happening around you. What you're yammer about is the after affect which is too late in your case. You keep missing the unintended consequences and your lame solution is raise taxes. Prepare yourself for the after effect...no jobs ...no growth....broken schools, hospitals, streets and bridges.

Revenue must come from new jobs in the private sector to support your utopia dependency for gov't

We've lowered taxes and continued to lower taxes, and look where we are. We have the lowest tax rates in 60 years and the highest deficits ever along with a fucked economy with no growth, and your answer is to continue cutting taxes. Are you really going to stay on that train until the tax rates are zero?

BTW, US companies are sitting on $2 trillion in cash. They're not creating new jobs with that money and you want to give them more in the form of tax cuts so they'll use it to create more jobs? Can't you see how that isn't working? If not, you're blind.

It's clear you are confused and don't know where to start. Just for FYI purposes taxes per capita in the 50's were much lower today but on record we are at high taxes per capita. Meaning the gubermint, that your in love with, is siting on that cash b/c pf the stimulus and their uncertainty. lower taxes as you proclaim is a myth..the gubermint is still receiving revenues at an all time high or did you miss that facto Uncertainty creates savings from a conservative approach.

not all taxes go to the feds, some to the state, some to the county and some to the local communities

 

[yidnar]

Be advised Republicans: 70% of Americans are with Obama on this one, like it or not.

we shall see !!

 

[blastoff]

Debt is the result of spending more money than they had as a result of tax collections. We give them more and they'll spend more.

Tax revenues are the Washington crack pipe.

 

[Moonglow]

Are the Bush tax cuts still in place?

yes

 

[idb]

Are the Bush tax cuts still in place?

yes

So...where are all the jobs?

 

[nolebrakai]

of course Yindar, you do have a point good sir. polls are very finicky and can change over a short amount of time.

 

[Sallow]

How about this for a strategy:

GOP says "OK President Obama. We'll tax the rich. Tax the shit outta them. You say we obstruct you? Ok. You say the rich dont pay their "fair" share? Ok. Americans....listen to this. We, the GOP, will trust President Obama on this. It's HIS to own. We'll vote for his big tax hike on the rich. We'll trust HIS leadership and ideals on this. We'll pass this immediately. We'll see the results in the economy and debt by next November."

Go ahead. Pass it. Hike taxes on the rich, right now. See what happens. Let Obama run on the results of it, not the idea of it.

I suspect he'd shit his pants when he realizes he'll have to run on the results.

Yes. Exactly. Let the party in power pursue a goddamned policy, and let's see the results. The GOP can even say, "Hey, we didn't want to do it, but we acquiesced."

$2 in cuts for every $1 in revenue. You'd think Obama were collectivizing agriculture from the response on this board.

Which has been more or less the policy of the government since inception.

There have, of course, been some outliers..but generally when the people say "Let's do it this way.." It generally gets done that way.

 

[Sallow]

Are the Bush tax cuts still in place?

yes

So...where are all the jobs?

And that's the pickle.

George W. Bush did everything the "Job Creators" wanted done.

Low taxes.
Lax Regulations.
Changed labor laws. ( Overtime specifically ).
Repatriated foreign profit.

This led to a collapse in employment and the economy in general.

 

[Article 15]

yes

So...where are all the jobs?

And that's the pickle.

George W. Bush did everything the "Job Creators" wanted done.

Low taxes.
Lax Regulations.
Changed labor laws. ( Overtime specifically ).
Repatriated foreign profit.

This led to a collapse in employment and the economy in general.

Well yeah but 57 states!


(sorry)

 

[Cammmpbell]

We've lowered taxes and continued to lower taxes, and look where we are. We have the lowest tax rates in 60 years and the highest deficits ever along with a fucked economy with no growth, and your answer is to continue cutting taxes. Are you really going to stay on that train until the tax rates are zero?

BTW, US companies are sitting on $2 trillion in cash. They're not creating new jobs with that money and you want to give them more in the form of tax cuts so they'll use it to create more jobs? Can't you see how that isn't working? If not, you're blind.

It's clear you are confused and don't know where to start. Just for FYI purposes taxes per capita in the 50's were much lower today but on record we are at high taxes per capita. Meaning the gubermint, that your in love with, is siting on that cash b/c pf the stimulus and their uncertainty. lower taxes as you proclaim is a myth..the gubermint is still receiving revenues at an all time high or did you miss that facto Uncertainty creates savings from a conservative approach.

not all taxes go to the feds, some to the state, some to the county and some to the local communities

Yeah...in Tennessee the poorest son-of-a-bitch here pays about $0.40 a gallon on gasoline, 9.5% sales tax and if legiti he/she has to pay the same payroll taxes as any other worker in the state.

That's a big part of the problem. A rich person hires a skilled(crooked) accountant to be sure he doesn't pay his taxes and sloughs off the minor stuff like it was nothing. That's why they want a consumption or flat tax...they know the poorest people will start paying more and they will have the unburdened gross of any money they want to save.

 

[Seawytch]

yes

So...where are all the jobs?

And that's the pickle.

George W. Bush did everything the "Job Creators" wanted done.

Low taxes.
Lax Regulations.
Changed labor laws. ( Overtime specifically ).
Repatriated foreign profit.

This led to a collapse in employment and the economy in general.

So of course we must cut taxes even more. We don't need to actually PAY for the invasion of two countries.