GOP Risks Becoming "Religious Party" - McCain Advisor

[KittenKoder]

Meh, just because Obama is a moron doesn't mean Palin would have been better. Even then, Palin wasn't running for president, McCain was. The shift to McCains campaign mentioned when Palin was chosen as his VP was likely due to the disgruntled female voters when Hilary lost the Democrat seat, not because Palin was better than McCain. Just as the approval ratings for Obama had a slight spike when he added Hilary to his own administration. However had McCain done more to show he was serious when he first mentioned a push for better "separation of church and state" laws instead of picking someone who constantly talked about their religious ideals in politics he could have taken in more undecided and independent voters than Obama, and he probably would have had a string victory instead of a crushing defeat. I was embarrassed for out country at how this last election went, not to mention ashamed because of how much Obama had won by. It only reinforced my contention that modern pop-culture is ruining us now.

McCain was not the 'best' the GOP had to offer, but he made it to the end. Once he chose Palin, the end.

Palin is not the future for the near future. Might she 'mature?' Maybe. Lots and lots of missteps. That she drew such 'numbers?' That were the 'Evangelical' type of 'conservatives.' Not mainstream 'conservatives.'

I can't argue that, I was only paying attention to the Democrats until they chose Obama, and by then the Republicans had already chosen McCain so I didn't hear much of the other choices and didn't really care, too busy face palming over the choice of Obama to notice much else.

 

[Evangelical]

At least McCain didn't turn into a babbling retard on the campaign trail.

That's what happened to Obama, and he claimed he hadn't got much sleep.

So a 77 year old fart could out last Obama in a marathon apparently...that's disconcerting.

But he won. Biden beat Palin.

Obama won because the mainstream media wouldn't show the truth to Democrats and Democrat leaning moderates who were going to them for information...

Obama is in fact, a retard.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S47sO1TCVmE[/ame]

 

[KittenKoder]

At least McCain didn't turn into a babbling retard on the campaign trail.

That's what happened to Obama, and he claimed he hadn't got much sleep.

So a 77 year old fart could out last Obama in a marathon apparently...that's disconcerting.

But he won. Biden beat Palin.

Obama won because the mainstream media wouldn't show the truth to Democrats and Democrat leaning moderates who were going to them for information...

Obama is in fact, a retard.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S47sO1TCVmE[/ame]

When you have a bit more to add to the conversation I may address this more than this:

Obama is not a retard, he is too smart if anything, he's just not trustworthy and is by all accounts an asshole who doesn't care about the country right now.

 

[Evangelical]

No, he is in fact a retard. Whoever is controlling him like a sock puppet is the asshole that doesn't care about America.

Obama is just some crack-baby with no brain in his head that is a perfect mime, the perfect tool.

He is in fact, a Manchurian candidate of the Feds and the Wall Streeters.

It's not conspiracy theory, just look how his brain hits a wall like a train wreck in the video. Not once, but twice!

 

[Toro]

At least McCain didn't turn into a babbling retard on the campaign trail.

That's what happened to Obama, and he claimed he hadn't got much sleep.

So a 77 year old fart could out last Obama in a marathon apparently...that's disconcerting.

It happens to "negros" sometimes...

 

[Toro]

No, he is in fact a retard. Whoever is controlling him like a sock puppet is the asshole that doesn't care about America.

Obama is just some crack-baby with no brain in his head that is a perfect mime, the perfect tool.

He is in fact, a Manchurian candidate of the Feds and the Wall Streeters.

It's not conspiracy theory, just look how his brain hits a wall like a train wreck in the video. Not once, but twice!

Harvard law professors are "retards" after all.



"Honey, I've got the torches! Get the pitchforks, would you?!"

 

[Old Rocks]

In about two years. The Reps can't win without the Christians. Sorry that's the reality. And no one else will beat the Dems without them either.

Not saying to dump the Christians, saying that making it the 'Christian Party' is a loser.

Actually making it a Christian party may be a winner. It worked in Germany. Why would it not work in the US. "Christians believe x, y, z. Democrats attack these beliefs. Vote Republican".

It's really not hard to put two and two together. If Democrats attack Christian beliefs, then Republicans should support them.

The Constitution of the United States attacks Christianity according to some. After all, what is the First Amendment all about if not negating the First Commandment? The First Amendment says that you can have any Diety you choose, or not at all.

 

[Evangelical]

Not saying to dump the Christians, saying that making it the 'Christian Party' is a loser.

Actually making it a Christian party may be a winner. It worked in Germany. Why would it not work in the US. "Christians believe x, y, z. Democrats attack these beliefs. Vote Republican".

It's really not hard to put two and two together. If Democrats attack Christian beliefs, then Republicans should support them.

The Constitution of the United States attacks Christianity according to some. After all, what is the First Amendment all about if not negating the First Commandment? The First Amendment says that you can have any Diety you choose, or not at all.

Christianity is a religion of conversion, you have to be able to deny Christ in order to accept Christ.

 

[Old Rocks]

You can't get out because the Marxists are taking over the Democrat Party and you hate them more. You are stuck with us hahaha.

So you are an Evangelical and a Rushpublican also. There were many evangelicals that voted for President Obama. There are many evangelicals that are now recognizing the problem of global warming. They fully understand the Parable of the Good Steward. The Rushpublican Party cannot depend on turning out 90% or better of the evangelicals anymore.

 

[Old Rocks]

Ok, Obama is less qualified than Palin.

Palin' state, Alaska, has a budget surplus and is in a strong economic condition.

Obama's Union is falling apart, and has 1 million tea party protesters throwing tea bags at him while he tries to "articulate" (between all the 'um's) how he is going to nationalize the banks and largest industries in the US like his butt-buddy Chavez.

Hmmmmm......... One million tea party protestors? Perhaps you don't realize one of the Commandments involves truth?

 

[Evangelical]

Ok, Obama is less qualified than Palin.

Palin' state, Alaska, has a budget surplus and is in a strong economic condition.

Obama's Union is falling apart, and has 1 million tea party protesters throwing tea bags at him while he tries to "articulate" (between all the 'um's) how he is going to nationalize the banks and largest industries in the US like his butt-buddy Chavez.

Hmmmmm......... One million tea party protestors? Perhaps you don't realize one of the Commandments involves truth?

I know a lot of persons who wanted to go but couldn't because they actually have jobs. So if every person who went had just 2 persons who couldn't go, that would mean a protest easily over a million.

I've never heard someone say "gosh I wish I could have gone to that protest against cutting teacher's pay" in my life...

Liberal protests are the small isolated astroturf protests.

This one had people millions of people wishing they could go.

 

[Old Rocks]

So many Americans vote religiously that it only makes sense one party appeals to them, for some reason you deny this - WE ARE NOT A SECULAR NATION.

Only 15% of the country, at most, is secular.

The Christian Nation Myth
Farrell Till
Whenever the Supreme Court makes a decision that in any way restricts the intrusion of religion into the affairs of government, a flood of editorials, articles, and letters protesting the ruling is sure to appear in the newspapers. Many protesters decry these decisions on the grounds that they conflict with the wishes and intents of the "founding fathers."

Such a view of American history is completely contrary to known facts. The primary leaders of the so-called founding fathers of our nation were not Bible-believing Christians; they were deists. Deism was a philosophical belief that was widely accepted by the colonial intelligentsia at the time of the American Revolution. Its major tenets included belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems and belief in a supreme deity who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws. The supreme God of the Deists removed himself entirely from the universe after creating it. They believed that he assumed no control over it, exerted no influence on natural phenomena, and gave no supernatural revelation to man. A necessary consequence of these beliefs was a rejection of many doctrines central to the Christian religion. Deists did not believe in the virgin birth, divinity, or resurrection of Jesus, the efficacy of prayer, the miracles of the Bible, or even the divine inspiration of the Bible.

These beliefs were forcefully articulated by Thomas Paine in Age of Reason, a book that so outraged his contemporaries that he died rejected and despised by the nation that had once revered him as "the father of the American Revolution." To this day, many mistakenly consider him an atheist, even though he was an out spoken defender of the Deistic view of God. Other important founding fathers who espoused Deism were George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Ethan Allen, James Madison, and James Monroe.
The Christian Nation Myth

 

[Old Rocks]

Get back to me, Bfgrn, when Obama manages to look like something other than an incompetent leftist hack who can barely put three syllables together without a teleprompter in front of him, and can actually go over seas without taking time to kiss some Islamic or leftist butt.

Boy, after your poster boy for incompetance tortured the English language publicly for eight years, and you make that statement. You are absolutely funny.

One of the reasons that President Barak Hussein Obama is popular is that he is a very good speaker. You can flap your yap with that kind of nonsense all you want, you just make yourself look silly.

 

[Old Rocks]

At least McCain didn't turn into a babbling retard on the campaign trail.

That's what happened to Obama, and he claimed he hadn't got much sleep.

So a 77 year old fart could out last Obama in a marathon apparently...that's disconcerting.

Ya sure, and that is why President Obama won 365 electorial votes.

 

[Evangelical]

So many Americans vote religiously that it only makes sense one party appeals to them, for some reason you deny this - WE ARE NOT A SECULAR NATION.

Only 15% of the country, at most, is secular.

The Christian Nation Myth
Farrell Till
Whenever the Supreme Court makes a decision that in any way restricts the intrusion of religion into the affairs of government, a flood of editorials, articles, and letters protesting the ruling is sure to appear in the newspapers. Many protesters decry these decisions on the grounds that they conflict with the wishes and intents of the "founding fathers."

Such a view of American history is completely contrary to known facts. The primary leaders of the so-called founding fathers of our nation were not Bible-believing Christians; they were deists. Deism was a philosophical belief that was widely accepted by the colonial intelligentsia at the time of the American Revolution. Its major tenets included belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems and belief in a supreme deity who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws. The supreme God of the Deists removed himself entirely from the universe after creating it. They believed that he assumed no control over it, exerted no influence on natural phenomena, and gave no supernatural revelation to man. A necessary consequence of these beliefs was a rejection of many doctrines central to the Christian religion. Deists did not believe in the virgin birth, divinity, or resurrection of Jesus, the efficacy of prayer, the miracles of the Bible, or even the divine inspiration of the Bible.

These beliefs were forcefully articulated by Thomas Paine in Age of Reason, a book that so outraged his contemporaries that he died rejected and despised by the nation that had once revered him as "the father of the American Revolution." To this day, many mistakenly consider him an atheist, even though he was an out spoken defender of the Deistic view of God. Other important founding fathers who espoused Deism were George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Ethan Allen, James Madison, and James Monroe.
The Christian Nation Myth

George Washington was not a Deist, Deists don't believe in Jesus Christ. George Washington did.

Your "we're not a Christian Nation" mythos is bullshit.

The United States was not founded to be a Christian Nation. But it was founded by Christians as a nation of mostly Christians.

James Madison also is not a deist, nor Monroe. They were all Episcopalian.

 

[Old Rocks]

At least McCain didn't turn into a babbling retard on the campaign trail.

That's what happened to Obama, and he claimed he hadn't got much sleep.

So a 77 year old fart could out last Obama in a marathon apparently...that's disconcerting.

But he won. Biden beat Palin.

Obama won because the mainstream media wouldn't show the truth to Democrats and Democrat leaning moderates who were going to them for information...

Obama is in fact, a retard.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S47sO1TCVmE[/ame]

Obama won because of eight years of incompetance in the Republican Party at all levels. Two failed wars, a huge increase in the deficit for two failed wars, an economic debacle that had to hit them in the face before they even recognized that there was a problem.

 

[Old Rocks]

Ok, Obama is less qualified than Palin.

Palin' state, Alaska, has a budget surplus and is in a strong economic condition.

Obama's Union is falling apart, and has 1 million tea party protesters throwing tea bags at him while he tries to "articulate" (between all the 'um's) how he is going to nationalize the banks and largest industries in the US like his butt-buddy Chavez.

Hmmmmm......... One million tea party protestors? Perhaps you don't realize one of the Commandments involves truth?

I know a lot of persons who wanted to go but couldn't because they actually have jobs. So if every person who went had just 2 persons who couldn't go, that would mean a protest easily over a million.

I've never heard someone say "gosh I wish I could have gone to that protest against cutting teacher's pay" in my life...

Liberal protests are the small isolated astroturf protests.

This one had people millions of people wishing they could go.

Oh boy, what a nice spin to cover the fact that you lied.

 

[Old Rocks]

So many Americans vote religiously that it only makes sense one party appeals to them, for some reason you deny this - WE ARE NOT A SECULAR NATION.

Only 15% of the country, at most, is secular.

The Christian Nation Myth
Farrell Till
Whenever the Supreme Court makes a decision that in any way restricts the intrusion of religion into the affairs of government, a flood of editorials, articles, and letters protesting the ruling is sure to appear in the newspapers. Many protesters decry these decisions on the grounds that they conflict with the wishes and intents of the "founding fathers."

Such a view of American history is completely contrary to known facts. The primary leaders of the so-called founding fathers of our nation were not Bible-believing Christians; they were deists. Deism was a philosophical belief that was widely accepted by the colonial intelligentsia at the time of the American Revolution. Its major tenets included belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems and belief in a supreme deity who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws. The supreme God of the Deists removed himself entirely from the universe after creating it. They believed that he assumed no control over it, exerted no influence on natural phenomena, and gave no supernatural revelation to man. A necessary consequence of these beliefs was a rejection of many doctrines central to the Christian religion. Deists did not believe in the virgin birth, divinity, or resurrection of Jesus, the efficacy of prayer, the miracles of the Bible, or even the divine inspiration of the Bible.

These beliefs were forcefully articulated by Thomas Paine in Age of Reason, a book that so outraged his contemporaries that he died rejected and despised by the nation that had once revered him as "the father of the American Revolution." To this day, many mistakenly consider him an atheist, even though he was an out spoken defender of the Deistic view of God. Other important founding fathers who espoused Deism were George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Ethan Allen, James Madison, and James Monroe.
The Christian Nation Myth

George Washington was not a Deist, Deists don't believe in Jesus Christ. George Washington did.

Your "we're not a Christian Nation" mythos is bullshit.

The United States was not founded to be a Christian Nation. But it was founded by Christians as a nation of mostly Christians.

James Madison also is not a deist, nor Monroe. They were all Episcopalian.

James Madison, Jefferson's close friend and political ally, was just as vigorously opposed to religious intrusions into civil affairs as Jefferson was. In 1785, when the Commonwealth of Virginia was considering passage of a bill "establishing a provision for Teachers of the Christian Religion," Madison wrote his famous "Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments" in which he presented fifteen reasons why government should not be come involved in the support of any religion. This paper, long considered a landmark document in political philosophy, was also cited in the majority opinion in Lee vs. Weisman. The views of Madison and Jefferson prevailed in the Virginia Assembly, and in 1786, the Assembly adopted the statute of religious freedom of which Jefferson and Madison were the principal architects. The preamble to this bill said that "to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." The statute itself was much more specific than the establishment clause of the U. S. Constitution "Be it therefore enacted by the General Assembly, That no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in nowise [sic] diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities".

The Christian Nation Myth

 

[Old Rocks]

So many Americans vote religiously that it only makes sense one party appeals to them, for some reason you deny this - WE ARE NOT A SECULAR NATION.

Only 15% of the country, at most, is secular.

The Christian Nation Myth
Farrell Till
Whenever the Supreme Court makes a decision that in any way restricts the intrusion of religion into the affairs of government, a flood of editorials, articles, and letters protesting the ruling is sure to appear in the newspapers. Many protesters decry these decisions on the grounds that they conflict with the wishes and intents of the "founding fathers."

Such a view of American history is completely contrary to known facts. The primary leaders of the so-called founding fathers of our nation were not Bible-believing Christians; they were deists. Deism was a philosophical belief that was widely accepted by the colonial intelligentsia at the time of the American Revolution. Its major tenets included belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems and belief in a supreme deity who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws. The supreme God of the Deists removed himself entirely from the universe after creating it. They believed that he assumed no control over it, exerted no influence on natural phenomena, and gave no supernatural revelation to man. A necessary consequence of these beliefs was a rejection of many doctrines central to the Christian religion. Deists did not believe in the virgin birth, divinity, or resurrection of Jesus, the efficacy of prayer, the miracles of the Bible, or even the divine inspiration of the Bible.

These beliefs were forcefully articulated by Thomas Paine in Age of Reason, a book that so outraged his contemporaries that he died rejected and despised by the nation that had once revered him as "the father of the American Revolution." To this day, many mistakenly consider him an atheist, even though he was an out spoken defender of the Deistic view of God. Other important founding fathers who espoused Deism were George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Ethan Allen, James Madison, and James Monroe.
The Christian Nation Myth

George Washington was not a Deist, Deists don't believe in Jesus Christ. George Washington did.

Your "we're not a Christian Nation" mythos is bullshit.

The United States was not founded to be a Christian Nation. But it was founded by Christians as a nation of mostly Christians.

James Madison also is not a deist, nor Monroe. They were all Episcopalian.

Here is firsthand testimony from the rectors of the church that Washington attended with his wife, and they both claimed that he never participated in the communion service. Writing in the Episcopal Recorder, the Reverend E. D. Neill said that Washington "was not a communicant, notwithstanding all the pretty stories to the contrary, and after the close of the sermon on sacramental Sundays, [he] had fallen into the habit of retiring from the church while his wife remained and communed" (Remsberg, p. 107). In this article, Neill also made reference to Abercrombie's reprimand of Washington from the pulpit, so those who knew Washington personally or who knew those who had known him all seem to agree that Washington was never a "communicant." Remsberg continued at length in his chapter on Washington to quote the memoirs and letters of Washington's associates, who all agreed that the president had never once been known to participate in the communion service, a fact that weakens the claim that he was a Christian. Would preachers today consider someone a devout Christian if he just attended services with his wife but never took the communion?

As for Washington's membership in the vestry, for several years he did actively serve as one of the twelve vestrymen of Truro parish, Virginia, as had also his father. This, however, cannot be construed as proof that he was a Christian believer. The vestry at that time was also the county court, so in order to have certain political powers, it was necessary for one to be a vestryman. On this matter, Paul F. Boller made this observation

Actually, under the Anglican establishment in Virginia before the Revolution, the duties of a parish vestry were as much civil as religious in nature and it is not possible to deduce any exceptional religious zeal from the mere fact of membership.* Even Thomas Jefferson was a vestryman for a while. Consisting of the leading gentlemen of the parish in position and influence (many of whom, like Washington, were also at one time or other members of the County Court and of the House of Burgeses), the parish vestry, among other things, levied the parish taxes, handled poor relief, fixed land boundaries in the parish, supervised the construction, furnishing, and repairs of churches, and hired ministers and paid their salaries (George Washington & Religion, Dallas Southern Methodist University Press, 1963, p. 26).

A footnote where the asterisk appears cited Meade as proof that avowed unbelievers sometimes served as vestrymen "As Bishop William Meade put it, somewhat nastily, in 1857, `Even Mr. Jefferson and [George] Wythe, who did not conceal their disbelief in Christianity, took their parts in the duties of vestrymen, the one at Williamsburg, the other at Albermarle; for they wished to be men of influence'" (William Meade, Old Churches, Ministers and Families of Virginia, 2 vols., Philadelphia, 1857, I, p. 191).

Clearly, then, one cannot assume from Washington's presence at church services and his membership in the Truro parish vestry that he was a Christian believer. Is there any other evidence to suggest that he was a Christian? The Reverend Bird Wilson, an Episcopal minister in Albany, New York, preached a sermon in October 1831 in which he stated that "among all our presidents from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism" (Paul F. Boller, George Washington & Religion, pp. 14-15). He went on to describe Washington as a "great and good man" but "not a professor of religion." Wilson said that he was "really a typical eighteenth century Deist, not a Christian, in his religious outlook" (Ibid.). Wilson wasn't just speaking about matters that he had not researched, because he had carefully investigated his subject before he preached this sermon. Among others, Wilson had inquired of the Reverend Abercrombie [identified earlier as the rector of the church Washington had attended] concerning Washing ton's religious views. Abercrombie's response was brief and to the point "Sir, Washington was a Deist" (Remsberg, p. 110). Those, then, who were best positioned to know Washington's private religious beliefs did not consider him a Christian, and the Reverend Abercrombie, who knew him personally and pastored the church he attended with his wife flatly said that Washington was a Deist.

The Christian Nation Myth

 

[Bfgrn]

Bfgrn whose opinions matter? RINO "advisers" and "strategists"? Or the voters.

No one's listening to your sources any more.

All the pollsters show that Hillary voters ended up voting for Obama...

I didn't know right wingers called Senators, Generals and Secretaries of State "advisers" and "strategists...but OF COURSE the would HAVE to be RINO's if they don't agree the far right pea brain dogma of all you Empty Vessel Sarah fans...

Barack Hussein Obama, our President for the next 8 years is at least 100 times smarter than your flutist...

BTW, Sarah, the empty vessel has extremely high negatives with the American people. 50% of voters would never vote for her...

Sorry pea brains...find another empty vessel