GOP Refuses to make Concessions on Health Care

[Modbert]

Republicans & Blue Dogs not on board? It may have something to do with the FACT that they tried to install stricker language in HR3200 that would prohibit illegals from getting free health care paid for--on the back of American citizens--that HOUSE DEMOCRATS TURNED DOWN.

--Oh--but Obama didn't mention section 1702 of HR3200 did he?

Read it & then tell me who was LYING last night?

HR3200 and Illegal Immigrants…America BEING SNOOKERED! at Desert Conservative

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...republicans-back-heckler-saying-health-bill-/

So now would the IRS is in on the whole Socialist agenda?

 

[eagleseven]

Will Americans need to present two forms of ID or a National ID Card to qualify for the Federal Healthcare Plan? If not, then local state laws will enable illegal immigrants to utilize government healthcare services, at a net loss to our economy.

Illegals already can drive and get free education in California, for example, and California is bankrupt. Can those illegals apply for Federal Healthcare with their California drivers licenses?

Obama did not address these issues in his speech.

 

[xsited1]

Good luck with tort reform. If it hadn't been for Howard Dean, Obama never would have mentioned it. And I seriously doubt he'll do anything about it, especially considered that most trial lawyers are Democrats. My guess is he'll add something insignificant to the bill and even that will never be enforced.

And Obama favors mandatory insurance, so I seriously doubt this will change. Obama even favors a requirement that everyone must carry basic health insurance and specifies what benefits your insurance must have.

It sounds like the same bill so I don't see where Obama is making any concessions.

BTW, there are alternative bills introduced by people like Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.), John Shadegg (R-Ariz.) and Tom Price (R-Ga.) and Sens. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) and Jim DeMint (R-SC). Obama has pretty much ignored these. It looks like he is against bipartisanship, which should come as no surprise to anyone.

To what I bolded: It seems that's a concession to the Republicans. As a candidate, Obama was against such a thing. However, since he has taken office, like many of his former Liberal positions, he has turned his back on it.

What's a concession? Obama favors mandatory insurance. He's not conceding anything. Nothing in the OP indicates that Obama is willing to concede, which has been his 'anti-bipartisan' MO since he's been a politician.

 

[Political Junky]

It will hurt cons for years if healthcare reform passes without them.
Obama met with Blue Dogs today, we'll see.

 

[Modbert]

What's a concession? Obama favors mandatory insurance. He's not conceding anything. Nothing in the OP indicates that Obama is willing to concede, which has been his 'anti-bipartisan' MO since he's been a politician.

Obama as a candidate was against mandatory insurance. This is a simple fact, he did not favor mandatory insurance before this.

 

[xsited1]

What's a concession? Obama favors mandatory insurance. He's not conceding anything. Nothing in the OP indicates that Obama is willing to concede, which has been his 'anti-bipartisan' MO since he's been a politician.

Obama as a candidate was against mandatory insurance. This is a simple fact, he did not favor mandatory insurance before this.

And it's a simple fact that he is now for it and that he has not made any concessions whatsoever.

There is a reason you started this thread, but I'm not quite sure what it is. Did you really think that Obama is trying to make any concessions on health care? It's a two-way street. If Obama doesn't make any concessions, why should the Republicans? Furthermore, why blame the GOP when the Democrats have all the power?

 

[manu1959]

i keep forgetting that th republicans are not allowed to have an opinion or object to anything or have a different idea....they are simply supposed to vote however nancy and harry and barry want them to....

 

[Modbert]

And it's a simple fact that he is now for it and that he has not made any concessions whatsoever.

There is a reason you started this thread, but I'm not quite sure what it is. Did you really think that Obama is trying to make any concessions on health care? It's a two-way street. If Obama doesn't make any concessions, why should the Republicans? Furthermore, why blame the GOP when the Democrats have all the power?

He is making a concession to the Republicans on this and Tort Reform. GOP has offered nothing in return. Obama is trying to make this a bipartisanship, and Republicans cry he isn't. It is a two-way street, and if Republicans are not willing to make concessions then there is no point in trying.

I'm not putting any blame on the GOP for the fact Democrats have not passed this bill. As much as I like to think the Democrats are useless for the most part so they can't pass a bill, do remember that a good slice are Blue Dogs, and not voting with Democrats on this issue as of yet.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Lying Obama Math Question Number 1:

If there are 47 million uninsured today and 14,000 people per day are losing there health insurance, how many uninsured were there a year ago?

PolitiFact | Obama claims 14,000 lose health insurance every day

Holahan was the co-author, with A. Bowen Garrett, of the January 2009 study, “Rising Unemployment, Medicaid and the Uninsured,” published by the Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured. That study provided the underpinning for the Center for American Progress report by estimating how many people can expect to lose their insurance when the national unemployment rate goes up.

Holahan and his co-author, using a baseline of 4.6 percent unemployment in 2007, calculated that 2.6 million people would lose coverage if the unemployment rate climbed to 7 percent; 3.7 million if it went to to 8 percent; 4.8 million at 9 percent; and 5.8 million at 10 percent. The estimates took into account people who lost their jobs but then switched to a spouse’s plan or extended their coverage through COBRA, the federal law that guarantees people who lose their job can still get continued health coverage.

Applying Holahan's calculations to the actual rise in unemployment from November 2008 to June 2009, we came up with 3.2 million people losing health coverage, or an average of 15,238 per day, so it is close to the 14,000 Obama cited.

Obama's a lying fuck.

14,000 x 365 = 5.1MM So if there are 47MM uninsured today there must have been 42MM uninsured last year, but guess what?

There were the same 47MM (including Illegals) uninsured last year.

STOP FUCKING LYING!!!

 

[Modbert]

i keep forgetting that th republicans are not allowed to have an opinion or object to anything or have a different idea....they are simply supposed to vote however nancy and harry and barry want them to....

And if one has a position that isn't Republican, it is deemed "Socialist" and "UnAmerican."

Do you honestly believe playing that card of yours is going to work? Especially when Republicans have acted the same way when they had Congress and the Presidency? The idea that everybody was suppose to vote the Republican way or they were UnAmerican and wanted the terrorists to win.

 

[xsited1]

And it's a simple fact that he is now for it and that he has not made any concessions whatsoever.

There is a reason you started this thread, but I'm not quite sure what it is. Did you really think that Obama is trying to make any concessions on health care? It's a two-way street. If Obama doesn't make any concessions, why should the Republicans? Furthermore, why blame the GOP when the Democrats have all the power?

He is making a concession to the Republicans on this and Tort Reform. GOP has offered nothing in return. Obama is trying to make this a bipartisanship, and Republicans cry he isn't. It is a two-way street, and if Republicans are not willing to make concessions then there is no point in trying.

I'm not putting any blame on the GOP for the fact Democrats have not passed this bill. As much as I like to think the Democrats are useless for the most part so they can't pass a bill, do remember that a good slice are Blue Dogs, and not voting with Democrats on this issue as of yet.

No, he's not making concessions as I outlined in my original post. Obama is not trying to make this a bipartisan issue. He never has and probably never will. Period. End of story. Q.E.D.

 

[Modbert]

Obama's a lying fuck.

14,000 x 365 = 5.1MM So if there are 47MM uninsured today there must have been 42MM uninsured last year, but guess what?

There were the same 47MM (including Illegals) uninsured last year.

STOP FUCKING LYING!!!

I'm not lying, I posted a link that proved the statistics were actually correct. Those statistics were related to Unemployment, no out of thin air number. The number of uninsured not including illegals is 36M people.

The number was therefore 31 Million before he began to cite that 45 million number. The 45 million is a commonly cited number due to the results of research that INCLUDED Illegals.

So calm down.

 

[Modbert]

No, he's not making concessions as I outlined in my original post. Obama is not trying to make this a bipartisan issue. He never has and probably never will. Period. End of story. Q.E.D.

I'm not going to bother trying to argue this with you because you're making your own standard as to when Obama is making "concessions". All you did was point out a bunch of bills, do you expect Obama to just turn those bills into the entire bill that he is outlining? At that point, it becomes a Republican bill and not what he was elected to change. That's not making concessions, that's caving in.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama's a lying fuck.

14,000 x 365 = 5.1MM So if there are 47MM uninsured today there must have been 42MM uninsured last year, but guess what?

There were the same 47MM (including Illegals) uninsured last year.

STOP FUCKING LYING!!!

I'm not lying, I posted a link that proved the statistics were actually correct. Those statistics were related to Unemployment, no out of thin air number. The number of uninsured not including illegals is 36M people.

The number was therefore 31 Million before he began to cite that 45 million number. The 45 million is a commonly cited number due to the results of research that INCLUDED Illegals.

So calm down.

Statistically speaking, Obama's a fucking liar.

 

[Bern80]

They are playing their little games that have stalled universal health care for the last 50 years.

Now after all the attempts by Obama to reach out and their refusals compromise at all or even talk, they again go back to the same crap that the president won't talk to them.

I wish Obama had been able last night to tell the real truth about their partisanship and tell them that they lost the election and they can work with US or piss off.

Kantor was probably calling his girlfriend at that republican halfway house they rent for hookers and religious counselling.

They have lost any moral compass they ever had. How anyone in the middle class can back these current losers and stooges for big industry amazes me. Some people still believe if they get trickled on it is good for the country - Duh.

Proctologists must have a lot of right wing patients.

You might wanna go back and look at which party has controlled both houses of congress for the bulk of the last fifty years. I'll give you hint. The dems have no one to blame but themselves.

 

[frazzledgear]

For the thousandth time, not one Republican vote is required to pass this garbage ......

That's right -they just want some coverage to share the blame for the garbage they intend to foist off on us all.

I also noticed that while the bobo liberals are whining about Republicans refusing to "compromise" on a socialist bill that is antithetical to their very principles and what makes Republicans "Republicans" in the first place - and when their own constituents are going nuts demanding their representatives vote against it -the real reason the votes do not exist to pass it without the phony and unconstitutional so-called "nuclear" option that was intended to be used only for budget issues while the Constitution SPECIFICALLY requires 60 votes to pass new bills involving programs, new laws and definitely the takeover of 1/6 our entire economy like this - is because of fellow DEMOCRATS who ALSO refuse to compromise on this and will not vote in favor of any bill with a public option. It is THE only reason Obama even gave passing lip service to the notion that a healthcare bill that can be passed might not have government takeover. Oops -public option. Because members of HIS OWN PARTY will not vote for a bill that includes it.

No Republican was elected to abandon their own positions and just roll over for the leftwing extremists in the Democrat Party! ROFLMAO! Not a single Republican vote is necessary to ram government run healthcare down the throats of the American people. It could be done ENTIRELY without a single Republican vote -if ONLY all Democrats supported government run healthcare. But they don't and people like YOU are hoping that people actually blame Republicans for it when the real reason it can't pass is because of other DEMOCRATS who, in spite of holding the majority in both houses of Congress, absolutely refuse to vote for a government takeover of our healthcare system.

Republicans in all these committees have put forth more than 50 significant ways of effectively reforming healthcare without any government takeover whatsoever -a position they will refuse to budge on since it goes against the very principles that make them Republicans in the first place. NO COMPROMISE on that one bubba no matter how much people like you whine about it. Republicans are NOT socialists. Or they wouldn't be Republicans in the first place when Republicans favor SMALLER government with LESS power over people's lives and therefore would naturally and vigorously OPPOSE socialist programs that massively expand the size and power of government as these extremist Democrats hope to do! Government run healthcare is SOCIALISM, would hugely expand the size, scope and power of government over YOUR life. If you think that's a good thing, just remember that will still be true when Republicans have control of government too. It isn't just reserved for Democrats. Conservatives don't want ANY political party to have that power. Insisting Republicans compromise on that one is a demand they stop being Republicans and start being socialists and communist sympathizers instead. Except not a one of them ran for office promising to do any such thing.

Every one of these 50 Republican proposals to institute REAL reform without government takeover has been rejected by the extremist Democrats wielding power in Congress -and are actually the REAL people who REFUSE TO COMPROMISE and REFUSE to even consider the possibility that real reform can occur WITHOUT government takeover of 1/6th of our economy -which would come in addition to the government takeover of car manufacturers and the banking industry! Pelosi has said no bill that does NOT have a government takeover of healthcare will not pass the House -because SHE will do all she can to make sure it doesn't. Those bad, bad Republicans who refuse to compromise their principles for the far leftwing extremist whacko and the now near universally despised Pelosi, right? LOL She can only hope her approval ratings will go as HIGH as Bush's lowest ratings now.

I really have to wonder about the native intelligence of supporters of a government takeover of our healthcare system. Aside from having so many examples showing what a disastrous tradeoff it really is for the vast majority of people, as someone recently pointed out on TV, this is the very same government that gave us the "compassion" of the IRS, the "efficiency" of the US Postal Service and the "effectiveness" of post hurricane Katrina services. And you bozos insist this is the perfect entity to be running EVERYONE'S healthcare? ROFLMAO Get real. I wouldn't allow my neighbor to be in charge of my healthcare -and he at least knows and likes me -much less turn it over to a faceless government bureaucrat who cannot be fired no matter how incompetently he does his job.