Gop healthcare plan.

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    GOP HEALTHCARE PLAN.

    is private healthcare on life support. More of the same only worse because they believe can give affordable and quality healthcare by having private healthcare compete across state lines. PHC(private healthcare) cannot afford to give affordable and quality healthcare because they will spend more out than they take in in premiums, co-payment and deductions and will not make a profit which they need to stay in business. How much do private healthcare spend on non-medical expenses?

    GOP’s healthcare plan will cause some PHC businesses to go out of business because they will not be able to compete by lowering they premiums and still give medical care. In order for PHC to stay in business, PHC has to take in more money than they pay out in healthcare for their clients and they only stay in business because their client don’t get sick.

    GOP cannot force PHC to take pre-existing, keep children on the parent’s plan until they are 26 and treat the chronically ill.

    GOP think they can get PHC to change and “leopards cannot change their spots.” Only government run HC can afford to give affordable and quality healthcare like Medicare, Medicaid and veterans healthcare because they can spend more then they take in and still treat the chronically ill and don’t have to make a profit to survive. GOP’s healthcare plan cannot work without being subsidized by government like Mass healthcare system.

    GOPs plan is more of the same on life support because it will put most PHC business out of business and create rationing of healthcare.

    Don’t let the GOP repeal Obamacare because it is working and in time will work even better. Work with what we have to make it better. Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    GOP don’t have a plan for affordable healthcare or a plan to balance the budget and pay down the deficit. Conservativeness do not work in this 2011 because chickens and corn do not work and we have grown bigger since 1776 and need bigger government whether we like it or not. Get use to it because it will get bigger as we get bigger.
     
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    If private health care can't do it cost effectively what in God's name thinks the government can do it?

    And if "Obamacare" is such a great law then why is the Hussein giving waivers to certain companies? No law is a just law if it doesn't apply to everyone.

    If health insurance companies were allowed to compete across state lines it would drive down costs. Giving one or a few companies a monopoly always drives costs up, and it would be no different if it was the government that has the monopoly.
     
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    And oh by the way, a big reason health costs are way up is because of illegals not being turned away and they don't pay...the rest of us do.
     
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    Because governemnt do not have to make a profit and do not have CEOs to pay big bonuses. Government gives medicaid and no one pay except the tax payers. Private healthcare cannot pay out more then they receive in premiums, etc.

    Obamacare is giving wavers to small businesses so they can help their employee with healthcare coverage. Mass healthcare system have to get subsidies from the government and who is the government? You who probably do not live in Mass.:cuckoo:
    Buying across live cause competition and small private HC will go bankrupt because they and no private HC can bring down their cost and give quality healthcare. You obviously do not know the difference between a governemnt run business and a private business.:eusa_hand:
    Private healthcare has to take in more money than they pay out in medical care. So they cannot insure the chronicaly ill and pre-existing illness.:eusa_whistle:

    In spite of the fear mongering that government is broke, government is still able to privide medicare, medicaid and veterans healthcare. states provide FREE county health clinics.

    Drive cost up? Like walmart? :lol::lol::lol:
     
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    If you pay $800 a month for private healthcare ins and you do not get ill, where is your money going? As the same time if you are paying $800 a month and become chronically ill, how much medical care will your private insurance deny? And they will finally go over the amount you are allowed. and out the door you go. With Obamacare this will not happen and will not cost you more. Obama care will cost because medical is not free but it will cover 30 million more that private will not cover. Forget that Obamacare is called Obamacare and pretend it is called Boehnercare or GOPcare. lol
     
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    Anti-Liberty Marxist Democrats stole our healthcare Freedoms


    Destroy the Democrat Party and stay Free and wealthy
     
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    There is an old saying about insurance companies. They make money collecting premiums, not paying claims.

    Most of the revenue of health insurance companies comes from group policies sold primarily to employers. Since employers usually pay a portion of the policy plus they assist with administration, their primary goal is to keep their cost low. Quality coverage is usually secondary.

    Managed care policies are the most common policies offered which force employees to get all their care from a healthcare network created by the insurer. There are options that allow the employee to go out of network but with a considerable increase in premium. Going outside the network can have severe financial consequences. All care comes from the primary care doctor unless a specialist is involved. To see a specialist, the patient must have a referral from the primary care doctor and approved by the insurance company. The patient is restricted to medications approved by the insurer. Most diagnostic tests and hospital admission must approved.

    The advantages of managed care are relatively low premiums, all services are covered by one low copay. When serious health problems begin to develop, the patient has little control over his care; doctors, medication, test, and hospitals are selected from the network with limited input from the patient. Managed care policies are also likely to have more restrictions on expensive and life saving procedures such as transplants.

    The reason we should buy insurance is to be able to get quality care for serious illness, not cheap routine care. Managed care is designed to do just the opposite. With this said there are some good managed care plans but there are bad ones and the employee has little or no choice.
     
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    They use Emergency rooms and still would not be turned away.
     
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    If we let the hospitals turn the illegals away it is the gateway to letting them turn away the middle class who do not have 100k for a new heart.

    Just saying. I feel I'm in an above average financial situation and am smart/handy enough not to be burdened by any new car note so I can afford several hundred a month in insurance when it gets that high. So this is more your problem.
     
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    OK, dumb ass. How come Canada and Japan can cover all of their citizens for about 1/2 of the cost per citizen that we spend, and we still have 52 million without any insurance, and get better results than we do. In fact, better results at both ends. Longer life spans and far less infant mortality than we have.

    Seems I heard this same arguement concerning credit cards. So the credit card headquarters are in states that have no usary laws.

    Again, your monopoly arguement is bullshit. Here you can find proof of that.

    FRONTLINE: sick around the world | PBS
     

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