GOP Counteroffer

[Plasmaball]

Better than saying you'll accept spending cuts and send in a proposal that actually increases overall spending

Wayyyyyyyy better

I think it's cute that you pretend like you have your own opinion.

I post more original idea in a single day than you've done in your entire time here

you post the same shit everyday.

 

[occupied]

This is not really a counter offer, just a target and an invitation for democrats to make another offer more in line with their still vague goals. Democrats are not going play fill in the blanks and supply details of entitlement cuts that republicans want but have still not made into a concrete plan.If they want to trim medicare, for instance, it is up them to say exactly how not just say how much they want and leave it to democrats to figure out the details as usual.

 

[kwc57]

This is not really a counter offer, just a target and an invitation for democrats to make another offer more in line with their still vague goals. Democrats are not going play fill in the blanks and supply details of entitlement cuts that republicans want but have still not made into a concrete plan.If they want to trim medicare, for instance, it is up them to say exactly how not just say how much they want and leave it to democrats to figure out the details as usual.

Are you really complaining about vague goals? I bet with a name like "occupied", you've chanted "fair share" more than once. Define that for us since the President won't.

 

[squeeze berry]

now should one take the high road and not make fun of this plan, or should one take the low road and insult it like the right did with Obama's, and by "laughing" at it.

choices....

I agree.

You are a dick

good job.....!

you are welcome.

congratulations on being correct once in your life

 

[occupied]

This is not really a counter offer, just a target and an invitation for democrats to make another offer more in line with their still vague goals. Democrats are not going play fill in the blanks and supply details of entitlement cuts that republicans want but have still not made into a concrete plan.If they want to trim medicare, for instance, it is up them to say exactly how not just say how much they want and leave it to democrats to figure out the details as usual.

Are you really complaining about vague goals? I bet with a name like "occupied", you've chanted "fair share" more than once. Define that for us since the President won't.

Quit trying to derail, there is a big difference between just saying they want X amount trimmed from the budget and actually laying out a plan to do it.

 

[squeeze berry]

This is not really a counter offer, just a target and an invitation for democrats to make another offer more in line with their still vague goals. Democrats are not going play fill in the blanks and supply details of entitlement cuts that republicans want but have still not made into a concrete plan.If they want to trim medicare, for instance, it is up them to say exactly how not just say how much they want and leave it to democrats to figure out the details as usual.

Are you really complaining about vague goals? I bet with a name like "occupied", you've chanted "fair share" more than once. Define that for us since the President won't.

Quit trying to derail, there is a big difference between just saying they want X amount trimmed from the budget and actually laying out a plan to do it.

and Obama's detailed plan is?

 

[Plasmaball]

I agree.

You are a dick

good job.....!

you are welcome.

congratulations on being correct once in your life

sometimes we just get lucky

 

[Wacky Quacky]

Here it is.

House GOP makes a $2.2 trillion debt counteroffer to Obama on cliff - The Hill

House Republican leaders have made a counteroffer to President Obama in the fiscal cliff negotiations, proposing to cut $2.2 trillion with a combination of spending cuts, entitlement reforms and $800 billion in new tax revenue.

The leaders delivered the offer to the White House on Monday with a three-page letter signed by Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), and four other senior Republicans, including Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), the party’s just-defeated vice presidential nominee.

Republican officials said the offer was based on a proposal outlined by Erskine Bowles, the former chief of staff to President Clinton, in testimony last year before the congressional “supercommittee” on deficit reduction. That offer is distinct from the widely-cited Simpson-Bowles deficit plan released two years ago.

The GOP offer is a response to Obama’s opening bid, which called for $1.6 trillion in tax increases and reducing the power of Congress to block an increase in the debt ceiling.

“What we are putting forward is a credible plan that deserves serious consideration by the White House,” Boehner told reporters in a brief appearance at the Capitol. He said he hoped the administration would respond in a timely manner.............

Credible? Did you see how many times The Hill used the phrase "did not specify"? The GOP essentially sent the White House a blank piece of paper and called it a proposal.

 

[rightwinger]

Hard to tell what they are offering

No specific revenue increases just generic close tax loopholes

What gets cut? nothing in the military, vague references to Medicare and SNAP.

Hopefully they will be more specific in closed sessions

 

[RosieS]

Offer already rejected by the WH. At least Boehner can't cry over Obama wasting the Speaker's time.

Regards from Rosie

 

[rightwinger]

Without more details it looks similar to the raise contributions from the middle class and don't ask anything from the rich that Romney tried to sell

Unless Republicans include the increase on the 2% they will go nowhere

Put that in, some cuts to defense and we can start to get somewhere

 

[Plasmaball]

i guess we call put this down as laughable then.

 

[Annie]

Better than saying, "More spending," we'll talk cuts down the road...

 

[LeftCoastVoter]

so the majority of the cuts will be felt by the poor and seniors as there are substantial reductions in medicare, medicaid and social security, cuts to food stamps, there is no mention of specific in the tax loop holes that will be closed to generate this new revenue, but they do proposed cutting rates to even lower levels, they also propose to cut federal employee salaries (although i can guess that congress will be excluded from the cuts).

so how is this a good plan?

 

[Annie]

Better than saying, "More spending," we'll talk cuts down the road...

Oh yeah, "Tax The Rich", that'll work.

You might check out this 'hit the rich' suggestions, really need to check out the links to understand. Found at site:

Column: GOP should force Obama's hand

3:48PM EST December 3. 2012 - As we careen toward the "fiscal cliff," the House GOP faces a problem. Obama won't offer his own detailed plan which will involve big tax increases, until they offer their own plan -- which, Obama says, must contain big tax increases or he won't offer his.

That's a mug's game. Some have suggested that the House GOP should just walk away and let the nation go over the fiscal cliff. But I have some better ideas.

Truth is, Obama's not really a key player here. All that he can do is sign or veto whatever legislation comes to him. And since under the Constitution money bills originate in the House, even the Democratic Senate will have to accept, reject or amend whatever the House sends. So if Speaker Boehner et al. are smart, they'll send something that will be awkward, but politically damaging to reject. My advice:

1. Adopt the Bowles-Simpson Plan. The plan was the product of a bipartisan commission, chaired by Democrat Erskine Bowles and Republican Alan Simpson, appointed by President Obama to address America's ballooning deficits and national debt. Most experts agree that it's a pretty good plan. President Obama didn't like it because it shrinks government too much.

Tough. It's a plan, which is more than President Obama has offered, and from a bipartisan commission he appointed. Can Obama get away with vetoing that? Can Senate Democrats get away with rejecting it and bringing on the automatic cuts and tax increases of the sequester? Doubtful. Plus, though the press tends to cover for Obama and blame Republicans, media types love Bipartisan Commissions.

2. Tax the revolving door. I mentioned earlier that Washington is getting richer while the rest of the country gets poorer. (And others are noticing this). One reason why this happens is the revolving door -- people shuttle between government, where they make rules governing business, and lobbying, where they make money by taking advantage of those rules.

Well, if you want less of something, tax it. So I recommend a 50% "excess salary" surtax on the earnings of government officials on the Executive Schedule -- cabinet and subcabinet officials, mostly -- in excess of their government salaries for the first five years after they leave. So, leave a cabinet job paying about $200,000 for a job paying $1 million a year, and the government will take half the $800,000 difference.

That seems fair. When it comes to post-government employment, the "you didn't build that" argument is 100% true. As an ex-official, your value comes from what you learned (or did) while on the public payroll. Let the public take a cut! I look forward to the White House's efforts to argue otherwise. For extra fun, Republicans could raise the rate to 91%, the Eisenhower top tax rate that Democrats have been waxing nostalgic about, and maybe make it retroactive to January 1, 2012.

3. Make Hollywood Pay Its Fair Share. At the DNC, actress Eva Longoria offered to pay more taxes. Well, back during that Eisenhower era that the Dems are so nostalgic for, there was a 20% excise tax on movie theater revenues. It was established to help pay off the post-World War II debt. Now we're in debt again. Bring it back. For added fun, extend it to DVD sales, movie downloads and music on CDs and over the Internet. As a great man once said, at some point, you've made enough money. If we need more tax revenue, who better to pay it than Hollywood fatcats with their swimming pools and private jets?

Well, those are just my thoughts. If the House GOP wants to put Obama on the spot, I'm sure they can come up with similar, but better ideas. If they don't, well, then people across the country will wonder why not -- and maybe look to the primaries in 2014.

Glenn Harlan Reynolds is professor of law at the University of Tennessee. He blogs at InstaPundit.com.

 

[Toro]

Good stuff.

Now we can start moving.

 

[mascale]

The Republican counter-proposal is a broad framework which specifies no-thing that should ever be done at all.

That is not an unusual Conservative position. "No-thing should ever be done at all!" That became Romney-Ryan's plan of making Congress come up with the tax cuts, which would be vetoed if anything got done(?)!

Anyone guesses that in fact they expected to win, and create a tenable margin in the Senate, and continue with the current tax code as usual. Instead they lost. Even the Independent Senator will caucus with the Democrats. A lot of the Tea Party was swept away. The House majority is smaller, and on tenuous policy ground.

Effectively: Boehner has to reject the Tea Party--everywhere else rejected. He cannot rely on the various Ryan plans, which originate from nowhere. The only way Boehner can defend the Bush Tax Cuts is to offer nothing as an alternative(?)!

Secretary Geithner has basis to start laughing back!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Tempest now taken out of Tea-Pot sales-people. Tea Pots Make Whistle No More! GOP House leaders make only a Romney-Ryan-like framework, which they themsleves are supposed to be filling in with details even now(?)! Romney-Ryan said, let Congress do it! House GOP says, "Nothing Doing! Now We Do Nothing!")

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama's not serious. He wants to drag the country down

 

[kwc57]

Here it is.

House GOP makes a $2.2 trillion debt counteroffer to Obama on cliff - The Hill

House Republican leaders have made a counteroffer to President Obama in the fiscal cliff negotiations, proposing to cut $2.2 trillion with a combination of spending cuts, entitlement reforms and $800 billion in new tax revenue.

The leaders delivered the offer to the White House on Monday with a three-page letter signed by Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), and four other senior Republicans, including Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), the party’s just-defeated vice presidential nominee.

Republican officials said the offer was based on a proposal outlined by Erskine Bowles, the former chief of staff to President Clinton, in testimony last year before the congressional “supercommittee” on deficit reduction. That offer is distinct from the widely-cited Simpson-Bowles deficit plan released two years ago.

The GOP offer is a response to Obama’s opening bid, which called for $1.6 trillion in tax increases and reducing the power of Congress to block an increase in the debt ceiling.

“What we are putting forward is a credible plan that deserves serious consideration by the White House,” Boehner told reporters in a brief appearance at the Capitol. He said he hoped the administration would respond in a timely manner.............

Credible? Did you see how many times The Hill used the phrase "did not specify"? The GOP essentially sent the White House a blank piece of paper and called it a proposal.

Define "fair share".

 

[kwc57]

Hard to tell what they are offering

No specific revenue increases just generic close tax loopholes

What gets cut? nothing in the military, vague references to Medicare and SNAP.

Hopefully they will be more specific in closed sessions

Define "fair share".