"GOP Civil War? Yeah, right

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    Y'know how the media keeps talking about a GOP civil war because Dede Scozzafava wasn't conservative enough and was "forced out", and apparently the GOP only wants far-right voices and no "moderate Republicans", even though you never see a definition for the term "moderate Republican"?

    Yeah. I'm curious: how tolerant are liberal Democrats of moderate voices? I ask because it's funny how pro-choice Democrats are attacking the Blue Dogs for supporting the Stupak Amendment in the health care bill, claiming it takes away women's reproductive rights (because as we all know, women not having access to free abortions is just like saying they can't have them at all). Or what about how many congressional Democrats don't support the public option. There hasn't been any gnashing of the teeth over that from Dems about other Dems, has there?

    Or, hey, what about that other big social issue, gay marriage? In the past year, not only did they elect a guy who said he doesn't support it? But in the past year, we've seen three states (CA, FL, and ME) vote Democratic and vote against gay marriage. Hmm. How tolerant are the liberal Dems of people opposed to gay marriage, even the ones that are otherwise Democrats?

    At least cap and trade has consistent support. Oh wait, my bad.

    Yeah, no "civil war" among the Democrats. They're the paragons of ideological purity. :cuckoo:
     
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    The Democrats argue over issues constantly, but you don't see them telling members of the party to agree with them or get out.

    At this point in the game, if you're a Liberal, you really shouldn't be a Democrat. The majority of Democrats don't even see themselves as Liberal either.

    Democrats have essentially become "Republican Lite"
     
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    The Democrats have never been "Republican Lite." The Democrats blew by the Republican Party when it came to big government 100 years ago when they embraced progressivism, suddenly leaving the Republicans to be the party of limited government. But now the Republican Party has become "Democrat lite."
     
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    Good question...lets look at recent history

    Joe Lieberman supported John McCain for president and was still allowed to keep his committee chairmanship

    Hillary Clinton attacked Obama in the Dem primaries and was still selected Secretary of State

    Over 30 Dems voted against the House healthcare bill. I don't see the Dems rallying against them

    However, try running as a republican and supporting healthcare, gay rights or abortion
     
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    Lieberman was allowed to keep his seat because the Democrats wanted a majority. It was a tactical decision. Obama picked Clinton to appease the other 50% of his base that initially supported her, though it was met by some derision from his initial supporters. Again, tactical decision. You don't see the Dems rallying against those thirty House Democrats because 1) it passed and 2) it's not campaign season yet.

    Have any other examples?
     
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    The 'civil war' isn't from the right, it's from the left. It's not necessarily as 'nice' as being kicked out of a party either:

    http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/95071-answer-in-fla-attacks-tea-party.html#post1723828
     
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    Exactly my point..

    When republicans toss electable candidates for breaches of doctrine they are giving away seats. When you have a 40% majority, you can't afford to give away seats like they did in NY23.
    Politics is all about being "tactical'. You build alliances with those who may not agree with you.
    Meanwhile, republicans clean house of those who do not totally agree on guns, abortion, healthcare and gays. They are unable to distinguish between fiscal conservatives and social conservatives. And they will pay the price
     
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    Thanks, you just did a very thorough job describing the diversity that exists in the Democratic Party, tolerance is not about agreement, it's about respect and acceptance...at the end of the day, they are all STILL Democrats...

    Unlike the purity party that devours their own, attacks any Republican that doesn't march in ideological lock step on each and every issue...and replaces them with a right wing parrot...

    Conformity and marching in lock step is NOT moderation...thus, the moderate Republican NOW calls himself Democrat...

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    Specter was never a Republican, he just had an 'R' next to his name.
     
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    "Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats that don't know what's going on"
    Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

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