GOP budget plan would raise debt, hurt seniors

[Ravi]

Medicare isn't an entitlement...people pay for it through payroll deductions.

I think the CBO report makes it pretty clear that the Republicans aren't about reducing the debt so much as they are about ending programs that help average Americans while bolstering the pockets of oil companies and the top 1%.

 

[boedicca]

This is hysterical. Cutting spending by over $6T increases debt?

What new new math Obamanation is that?

We have more than ample evidence that increasing spending increases debt; let's try something different for A CHANGE.

 

[boedicca]

Medicare isn't an entitlement...people pay for it through payroll deductions.

I think the CBO report makes it pretty clear that the Republicans aren't about reducing the debt so much as they are about ending programs that help average Americans while bolstering the pockets of oil companies and the top 1%.

B'loney. It's an entitlement. The taxes we pay today are used to pay the benefits of people who are over 65. There are some people who are both medicare tax payers and beneficiaries, but the program's intent was to provide health care for retirees and most of the taxes are paid by non-current beneficiaries. Congress also has the power to change and reduce benefits; there is no guarantee that we receive benefits when we are older (the same thing goes for Social Security, as confirmed by the Supreme Court).

Our taxes are not "saved and invested" to provide for our own health care down the road.

 

[Vanquish]

This is hysterical. Cutting spending by over $6T increases debt?

What new new math Obamanation is that?

We have more than ample evidence that increasing spending increases debt; let's try something different for A CHANGE.

If you would READ any of the articles that explain the details...you'd actually know how it works.

Instead you made a shrill post that has no objectivity and therefore no worth.

 

[WillowTree]

This is hysterical. Cutting spending by over $6T increases debt?

What new new math Obamanation is that?

We have more than ample evidence that increasing spending increases debt; let's try something different for A CHANGE.

If you would READ any of the articles that explain the details...you'd actually know how it works.

Instead you made a shrill post that has no objectivity and therefore no worth.

Stick you head back up you azz. I love how demonRats always say "you have no worth"

 

[boedicca]

This is hysterical. Cutting spending by over $6T increases debt?

What new new math Obamanation is that?

We have more than ample evidence that increasing spending increases debt; let's try something different for A CHANGE.

If you would READ any of the articles that explain the details...you'd actually know how it works.

Instead you made a shrill post that has no objectivity and therefore no worth.

I've been following the development of Ryan's plan, and believe him over the nonsense posted in the articles, thank you very much.

 

[Ravi]

This is hysterical. Cutting spending by over $6T increases debt?

What new new math Obamanation is that?

We have more than ample evidence that increasing spending increases debt; let's try something different for A CHANGE.

If you would READ any of the articles that explain the details...you'd actually know how it works.

Instead you made a shrill post that has no objectivity and therefore no worth.

I've been following the development of Ryan's plan, and believe him over the nonsense posted in the articles, thank you very much.

Of course you do.

 

[Bern80]

Medicare isn't an entitlement...people pay for it through payroll deductions.

Of course it's an entitlement. When you hit a certain age, regardless of what you've paid into the system, you are automatically enrolled in it and receive the benefits of it. SS is the same way. The question government needs to re-examine is why shouldn't people have to provide for their own health care and retirment?

I think the CBO report makes it pretty clear that the Republicans aren't about reducing the debt so much as they are about ending programs that help average Americans while bolstering the pockets of oil companies and the top 1%.

That is probably partially true. That doesnt mean that we need to cut back on entitlements anyway, which will obviously hurt people that let themselves be dependent on entitlements, it just means the crony capitalism needs to end too.

 

[boedicca]

Medicare isn't an entitlement...people pay for it through payroll deductions.

Of course it's an entitlement. When you hit a certain age, regardless of what you've paid into the system, you are automatically enrolled in it and receive the benefits of it. SS is the same way. The question government needs to re-examine is why shouldn't people have to provide for their own health care and retirment?

I think the CBO report makes it pretty clear that the Republicans aren't about reducing the debt so much as they are about ending programs that help average Americans while bolstering the pockets of oil companies and the top 1%.

That is probably partially true. That doesnt mean that we need to cut back on entitlements anyway, which will obviously hurt people that let themselves be dependent on entitlements, it just means the crony capitalism needs to end too.

And the law (as confirmed by a judge) says that if one doesn't accept Medicare coverage, one loses one's Social Security benefits.

Nice, isn't it?

 

[StevenC]

Medicare isn't an entitlement...people pay for it through payroll deductions.

I think the CBO report makes it pretty clear that the Republicans aren't about reducing the debt so much as they are about ending programs that help average Americans while bolstering the pockets of oil companies and the top 1%.

This report?

CBO has not reviewed legislative language for your proposal, so this analysis does notrepresent a cost estimate for legislation that might implement the proposal. Rather, itis an assessment of the broad, long-term budgetary impacts of the proposal, withresults spanning several decades and measured as a share of GDP. It is therefore quitedifferent from a cost estimate for legislation, which would require much more detailedanalysis, focus on the first 10 years, and be based on more recent baseline projections.(CBO’s most recent long-term projections, which are the basis for this analysis, wereissued in June 2010 and were derived from the agency’s March 2010 baseline projec-tions.)

And this is what you base you assumptions on?

 

[Trajan]

Delicious!

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office's initial analysis of the House GOP budget released today by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) is filled with nuggets of bad news for Republicans.

In addition to acknowledging that seniors, disabled and elderly people would be hit with much higher out-of-pocket health care costs, the CBO finds that by the end of the 10-year budget window, public debt will actually be higher than it would be if the GOP just did nothing.

CBO: GOP Budget Would Increase Debt, Then Stick It To Medicare Patients | TPMDC