GOP Blocks DRILL Bill

[Charles_Main]

But wait! Turns out things aren't as bleak as we've been led to believe....SHOCKER...LOL. See here Massive Oil Deposit Could Increase US reserves by 10x All we have to do is drill it! Now what Care? Why shouldn't we drill this oil? What if we drilled this oil and the Gulf oil and the ANWR oil?

If we didn't know we were sitting on the oil before and we just found out we're sitting on the oil, would it still only be 3% or would it really be more than that? (HINT: open the page and look at it).

n the next 30 days the USGS (U.S. Geological Survey) will release a new report giving an accurate resource assessment of the Bakken Oil Formation that covers North Dakota and portions of South Dakota and Montana. With new horizontal drilling technology it is believed that from 175 to 500 billion barrels of recoverable oil are held in this 200,000 square mile reserve that was initially discovered in 1951. The USGS did an initial study back in 1999 that estimated 400 billion recoverable barrels were present but with prices bottoming out at $10 a barrel back then the report was dismissed because of the higher cost of horizontal drilling techniques that would be needed, estimated at $20-$40 a barrel.

Well screw me sideways.

 

[jillian]

Well screw me sideways.

Who's Next Energy News?

Why would you think they're more reliable than the government's own report? Or has any reliability at all?
Because it says what you want it to?

 

[Charles_Main]

Who's Next Energy News?

Why would you think they're more reliable than the government's own report? Or has any reliability at all?
Because it says what you want it to?

Ah yes we should just ignore everything the UGS says. Ok.

look I don't know if it is true, but I sure as shit would like to find out.

problem is nobody else is looking now are they, except for the oil companies, and I am sure you would tell us we cant listen to them either. I sure can't go out and look for it myself now can I.

 

[Tech_Esq]

Who's Next Energy News?

Why would you think they're more reliable than the government's own report? Or has any reliability at all?
Because it says what you want it to?

Damn Jillian, you having a bad week. Seems like you are all pissed off about everything....Oh that's right, I forgot you're a liberal.

I looked at USGS, but it was less readable with roughly the same message LOTS more oil than we thought. It was originally in at 151 million barrels in 1995, now they think 3.4 billion barrels. As Byron Dorgan (D-ND) says "This is HUGE roughly 25x more than we previously thought was there."

Sorry to hear Google doesn't work on your computer. Maybe you should call a consultant to fix that for you

 

[Tech_Esq]

Ah yes we should just ignore everything the UGS says. Ok.

look I don't know if it is true, but I sure as shit would like to find out.

problem is nobody else is looking now are they, except for the oil companies, and I am sure you would tell us we cant listen to them either. I sure can't go out and look for it myself now can I.

Don't worry, apparently we can find out about this one. Marathon Oil has or is poking 300 new holes in the ground to get the stuff out.

I'm sure we're going to find out we're harming the three-legged, one-pronged prairie dog by drilling though. Then, we'll find out the prairie dog lobby is more powerful than the caribou lobby. They'll tell the big, nasty oil companies they can drill, but only from the moon and only when it's full, but they can't ship it back to the US, because the ship might crash and spill the oil. So, they can't drill. Sorry.

Turns out, you are only allowed to drill in theo-fascist and neo-socialist countries. Go figure.

 

[Ravi]

But wait! Turns out things aren't as bleak as we've been led to believe....SHOCKER...LOL. See here Massive Oil Deposit Could Increase US reserves by 10x All we have to do is drill it! Now what Care? Why shouldn't we drill this oil? What if we drilled this oil and the Gulf oil and the ANWR oil?

If we didn't know we were sitting on the oil before and we just found out we're sitting on the oil, would it still only be 3% or would it really be more than that? (HINT: open the page and look at it).

It's been over 30 days since that article was written. Where is the report?

 

[Tech_Esq]

It's been over 30 days since that article was written. Where is the report?

Must be a liberal thing. Is your Google broken like Jillian's? Maybe you could both hire the same consultant and split the cost. The report is out there, if you feel like wading through the geo-techno-goobledegook, have at it. Like I said, it said basically the same thing, there is a lot more oil than we thought there was in ND and at least one Democrat is happy about it. Even MSLSD has an article about it. Isn't that one of the typical haunts of libs? I'll leave you to find those yourself. I'll give you FoxNews, cuz I know that will piss you libs off. Just the mention of FoxNews pisses you off, I love it....lol. Here Huge Oil Find in ND USGS Says

 

[Charles_Main]

Must be a liberal thing. Is your Google broken like Jillian's?

I can't blame them, sometimes searching for stuff on the Internet can be very annoying

 

[Ravi]

Must be a liberal thing. Is your Google broken like Jillian's? Maybe you could both hire the same consultant and split the cost. The report is out there, if you feel like wading through the geo-techno-goobledegook, have at it. Like I said, it said basically the same thing, there is a lot more oil than we thought there was in ND and at least one Democrat is happy about it. Even MSLSD has an article about it. Isn't that one of the typical haunts of libs? I'll leave you to find those yourself. I'll give you FoxNews, cuz I know that will piss you libs off. Just the mention of FoxNews pisses you off, I love it....lol. Here Huge Oil Find in ND USGS Says

No, I didn't see that link, thanks. The report says 4.3 billion, your original article says 200 billion. That's quite a difference, no?

 

[Shogun]

No, I believe you just aren't getting it. Charles does get it. If we have 3% of the world's oil reserves we should be able to tap enough of it all at one time to provide 100% of our oil usage for 50 or 100 years. That should be more than enough time to develop alternate sources of energy and not destroy our economy at the same time.

talk about suicide mission. Conservative? REALLY?

Isnt this pretty much like spending your last 50 bucks on fast food HOPING that youll get a job offer within the next year? We have no excuse to move from oil NOW rather than pad this industry for anything else. If we prvide incentives to drop DEMAND NOW then we don't have to pretend that capitalism will swoop in to save the day 60 years from now when all the chicken necked bastards in the oil industry will have already passed.

I have no sympathy for the oil industry. Let them drill what they have access to instead of trying to use this disaster in the energy market to facilitate another zero to their wealth. If WE gave as much incentive to consume oil free options as we did fucking SUVS during the Bush administration GM might not be having it's ass handed to it by a japanese company making smaller cars.

 

[Charles_Main]

BISMARCK, N.D. — The government estimates up to 4.3 billion barrels of oil can be recovered from the Bakken shale formation in North Dakota and Montana, using current technology.

The U.S. Geological Survey calls it the largest continuous oil accumulation it has ever assessed.

An assessment by USGS in 1999 found the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge had 10.3 billion barrels of recoverable oil, said Brenda Pierce, a geologist for the agency

kinda sounds like a misprint to me, Why would they say 4.3 is the biggest when they say they found 10.3 in ANWR.

Then later they say in 1995 they found it to be 151 Billion.

not to mention The USGS also says there is 800 Billion to 1.6 Trillion in Shale in the rockies.

Damn I am confused now

 

[Ravi]

kinda sounds like a misprint to me, Why would they say 4.3 is the biggest when they say they found 10.3 in ANWR.

Then later they say in 1995 they found it to be 151 Billion.

not to mention The USGS also says there is 800 Billion to 1.6 Trillion in Shale in the rockies.

Damn I am confused now

ummm...it was a FAUX link.

 

[dilloduck]

The U.S. Geological Survey calls it the largest continuous oil accumulation it has ever assessed.

maybe this is why

 

[Care4all]

Damn Jillian, you having a bad week. Seems like you are all pissed off about everything....Oh that's right, I forgot you're a liberal.

I looked at USGS, but it was less readable with roughly the same message LOTS more oil than we thought. It was originally in at 151 million barrels in 1995, now they think 3.4 billion barrels. As Byron Dorgan (D-ND) says "This is HUGE roughly 25x more than we previously thought was there."

Sorry to hear Google doesn't work on your computer. Maybe you should call a consultant to fix that for you

well, we use 20-21 million barrels a day estimated to go to 22 i heard on cspan but let's take 21 million figuring absolutely no growth in our consumption at all...

take that 21 million and times it by 365 days in a year, that comes to our annual use of 7.7 billion barrels a year.....

that HUGE FIND of 3.4 billion is not even a half of a year supply?

(damn! we use alot of oil!)

 

[Charles_Main]

maybe this is why

Ahh, the next line said the USGS survey found up to 10.3 Billion in ANWR. So how could a find of 4.3 billion be the biggest IT ever found if IT found 10.3 Billion in ANWR.

not to mention IT Said in 1995 it was 151 Billion barrels, and IT also did the survey of the Green river shale which ITsays is 800 Billion to 1.5 Trillion barrels.

Do the math on that one

hmmmm. Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmm.

 

[Care4all]

maybe this is why

it's the agency that does the surveys and gives them to the oil companies to analyze isn't it and has been the agency to do this for decades? they do surveys on the whole world!!!!

Welcome to the USGS - U.S. Geological Survey

new find in artic, 90 billion

 

[Charles_Main]

well, we use 20-21 million barrels a day estimated to go to 22 i heard on cspan but let's take 21 million figuring absolutely no growth in our consumption at all...

take that 21 million and times it by 365 days in a year, that comes to our annual use of 7.7 billion barrels a year.....

that HUGE FIND of 3.4 billion is not even a half of a year supply?

(damn! we use alot of oil!)

Well it could supply 25% of our needs for 2 years

 

[Care4all]

getting the shale isn't as easily done as i thought and huge worries on ground water contamination....

we should continue to pursue the technology to reduce the water to extract it and to secure the drinking water under ground does not get contaminated during extraction...also, the energy used and needed to get the shale oil released from the rock is probably not worth it, unless you own the electric plant that you will need to supply the heaters with the energy to get it to 700F degrees....

this takes 3 YEARS of running heaters down there.....to get it to the 700 degrees F....

a whole bunch more involved too, with the use of a TON of energy to remove/extract it....

and years of research and testing to perfect the technology before we can even begin using this technology! bummer really.....

 

[Care4all]

Well it could supply 25% of our needs for 2 years

believe me! i will take every drop we can get! just tried to put it in to perspective, took out the calculator....

 

[Charles_Main]

getting the shale isn't as easily done as i thought and huge worries on ground water contamination....

we should continue to pursue the technology to reduce the water to extract it and to secure the drinking water under ground does not get contaminated during extraction...also, the energy used and needed to get the shale oil released from the rock is probably not worth it, unless you own the electric plant that you will need to supply the heaters with the energy to get it to 700F degrees....

this takes 3 YEARS of running heaters down there.....to get it to the 700 degrees F....

a whole bunch more involved too, with the use of a TON of energy to remove/extract it....

and years of research and testing to perfect the technology before we can even begin using this technology! bummer really.....

That is only one way to do it, it can also be mined, and then heated above ground. Clearly we need to try to figure out a way to develope this stuff. 800 billion barrels is to much to ignore.