GOP AGENDA: Offsetting tax cuts for millionaires with cuts to education

[Valox]

All those links claim...

Give handouts to big oil, gas and coal – or protect Head Start, child care, and Social Security services? Eliminating tax subsidies for the oil, gas and coal industries would raise an average $4.6 billion annually,11 more than the $2.8 billion needed to protect current Head Start and child care services plus $1.7 billion to fully fund Social Security offices.

A tax subsidy is not a handout, it is a selective tax reduction. The government doesn't give $4.6 billion in subsidies, but gives tax breaks worth that amount.

There is a difference.

 

[rdean]

All those links claim...

Give handouts to big oil, gas and coal – or protect Head Start, child care, and Social Security services? Eliminating tax subsidies for the oil, gas and coal industries would raise an average $4.6 billion annually,11 more than the $2.8 billion needed to protect current Head Start and child care services plus $1.7 billion to fully fund Social Security offices.

A tax subsidy is not a handout, it is a selective tax reduction. The government doesn't give $4.6 billion in subsidies, but gives tax breaks worth that amount.

There is a difference.

Ten giant U.S. companies avoiding income taxes

OK, not subsidies - "rebates". That's receiving money after paying NO taxes.

 

[Oddball]

Only Exxon-Mobil received such a rebate...No other company on that list is cited as getting the same.

After that, the big banks listed were the ones that socialist dupes like you claim "needed" the bailouts, lest the entire planet imploded.

Which way do you snivelling little nitwits want it?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Republicans say education is bad so they want to end it. Maybe they just can't learn?

where is one of your fucking links Dean that you always say you provide?.....i want to see one where Republicans say Education is bad and they want to end it......and i know you will either ignore this or go to another thread to spread more of your Bullshit....because thats the kind of Character you have......say something stupid and when asked about it.....where is Dean?.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Why is it that democrats are scared shitless of vouchers? Choice and competition my ass........

and why cant they explain why California has gone from top 5 to near the bottom in Education?......

 

[Harry Dresden]

We dump billions into education in this country every year yet our kids aren't getting any smarter.

Get rid of the Unioins and the lock they have on Ed.

Waiting for Superman? Great movie and a great message.

It's not just the unions. They are but one part of the equation. The whole system needs to be torn down and revamped. One thing for certain, though, money is not the problem and they sure as hell don't need more of it. They have too much to spend as it is.

Right wingers LOVE to tear stuff down. But "replace" it with something? With "what"? A "gut feeling"?

explain California Dean?.....or are you going to blame Arnold again?....

 

[Valox]

All those links claim...

Give handouts to big oil, gas and coal – or protect Head Start, child care, and Social Security services? Eliminating tax subsidies for the oil, gas and coal industries would raise an average $4.6 billion annually,11 more than the $2.8 billion needed to protect current Head Start and child care services plus $1.7 billion to fully fund Social Security offices.

A tax subsidy is not a handout, it is a selective tax reduction. The government doesn't give $4.6 billion in subsidies, but gives tax breaks worth that amount.

There is a difference.

Ten giant U.S. companies avoiding income taxes

OK, not subsidies - "rebates". That's receiving money after paying NO taxes.

You know this is not what I was talking about. While I have concerns about some of these tax activities, I would like to see some proof outside of a proclamation. For example, the Exxon 2009 tax rebate stems from a 2008 holding.

ExxonMobil paid no U.S. federal income tax in 2009. In fact, it was entitled to a $156 million tax refund. Why? The answer is more boring than you think: It overpaid its 2008 taxes.

ExxonMobil was required to bolster its pension plan by $3 billion when the market went down in 2008. According to Alan Jeffers, Exxon’s media relations manager, this overpayment reduced the amount of taxes owed in 2008, but the tax adjustment wasn't made until one year later, which led to an overpayment and the refund in 2009.
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/04/oil_subsidies.html

 

[Oddball]

rderp lies....A LOT.

Get used to it.

 

[editec]

Why is it that democrats are scared shitless of vouchers? Choice and competition my ass........

Because they suspect that the unspoken agenda of the voucher system will be to insure that vouchers won't be enough for most people to buy that education.

 

[Oldstyle]

"The Democrat-controlled Colorado senate, by a 30-5 margin, approved budget cuts of $250 million from K-12 education, which will result in massive teacher layoffs, larger class sizes, and a shortened school year. The budget also guts higher education and Medicaid, while canceling a $3 million nutrition program for poor children. Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper initially called for $375 million in cuts to K-12 education, but agreed to reduced education cuts in exchange for bigger tax cuts for the rich and corporations. Keep in mind, Colorado’s six billionaires with a combined wealth of $20.3 billion, more than 20 times Colorado’s entire $988 million deficit, have no need for a tax break.


Washington State, with a Democrat governor and Democrat-controlled senate and house, approved a budget that slashes $2 billion from public education, cuts pay for state workers and teachers by 3%, and strips funding from “underperforming” schools. Their budget saves an additional $1.2 billion by refusing to fund a voter-approved program to increase teacher pay and decrease class sizes. Washington is also planning to cut $530 million from higher education, which would cause tuition to increase by 16% at universities and 12% at community colleges. The budget also imposes furloughs and cuts funding for Medicaid. Washington’s six billionaires have a combined net worth of nearly $100 billion, which is 25 times the state’s budget deficit.


Or consider these examples:
California has a Democrat governor and Democrat-controlled state house and senate. Yet they are proposing to close their $25 billion budget gap by slashing $1.4 billion from higher education and $4 billion from k-12 education, according to the CTA. Additionally, Reuters and CNN report that the proposed budget would cut wages by 10% for many unionized state employees, while slashing Medi-Cal by $1.7 billion, Welfare-to-Work by $1.5 billion, and $705 million from the agency serving people with developmental disabilities. Yet, if just the richest 19 residents paid 10% more in taxes, the state’s $25 billion deficit would be completely erased. California has 80 billionaires, or 20% of Forbes’ richest Americans.


In New York, Democratic Governor Cuomo has proposed a budget plan calling for nearly 9,800 layoffs. The plan also calls for massive cuts to K-12 education (7.3%) and health care, in addition to 10% cuts to colleges and universities, reported NBC news. Additionally, CNN said that state agencies will have their budgets slashed by 20%. New York City, alone, has 58 billionaires who, together have so much wealth they could erase the State’s budget deficit without even noticing a change in their bank accounts.


In Maryland, Democratic Governor Martin O'Malley, who ran a pro-education and pro-labor campaign, and the Democrat-controlled state legislature, are now considering cuts to education and the state work force, according to the Baltimore Sun. Under the plan, current employees would have to increase their pension contributions by 25%, (7% of their pay), or they could opt to continue contributing about 5.6% of their pay, but would risk decreased benefits. WaPo reports that new employees would have no choice and their early retirement age would be raised from 55 to 60. Daily Censored says that $94 million will be cut from k-12 education, with $15 of it coming entirely from Baltimore City Schools.


Connecticut’s Democratic Governor, Dan Malloy, has pitted unions against the cities, basing his budget almost entirely on union concessions worth $1 billion over the next two years, according to CBS news. If the unions refuse to accept the cuts, he has threatened to slash state funding for cities. Hearst Connecticut Newspapers says that the losses to cities could be as much as $67 million for Bridgeport, $10.4 million from Danbury, $4.9 million Stamford, $1.8 million from Greenwich, and $5 million from Norwalk."

Funny thing, Deanie..."evil" Democrats seem to be doing the same thing as "evil" Republicans. Gee, wonder why the author of your article didn't report on those cuts as well?

 

[Stephanie]

Have you seen "Waiting for Superman"? It shows how teacher's unions are totally fucking up the education system. We need to get that mess cleaned-up first.

Yea, get rid of the teachers and replace them with millionaires. That will work for sure.

no no no..teachers are all SAINTS. we should pour more taxpayer monies into them..


SNIP:
School Linked to Abuse Claims Will Replace Entire FacultyBy IAN LOVETT
Published: February 6, 2012

. LOS ANGELES — The entire faculty at Miramonte Elementary School, where two teachers were arrested last week on accusations of child sexual abuse, will be replaced by new teachers this week, the Los Angeles Unified School District superintendent announced Monday night.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/07/e...after-teachers-sex-abuse-arrests.html?_r=2&hp

 

[Claudette]

"The Democrat-controlled Colorado senate, by a 30-5 margin, approved budget cuts of $250 million from K-12 education, which will result in massive teacher layoffs, larger class sizes, and a shortened school year. The budget also guts higher education and Medicaid, while canceling a $3 million nutrition program for poor children. Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper initially called for $375 million in cuts to K-12 education, but agreed to reduced education cuts in exchange for bigger tax cuts for the rich and corporations. Keep in mind, Colorado’s six billionaires with a combined wealth of $20.3 billion, more than 20 times Colorado’s entire $988 million deficit, have no need for a tax break.


Washington State, with a Democrat governor and Democrat-controlled senate and house, approved a budget that slashes $2 billion from public education, cuts pay for state workers and teachers by 3%, and strips funding from “underperforming” schools. Their budget saves an additional $1.2 billion by refusing to fund a voter-approved program to increase teacher pay and decrease class sizes. Washington is also planning to cut $530 million from higher education, which would cause tuition to increase by 16% at universities and 12% at community colleges. The budget also imposes furloughs and cuts funding for Medicaid. Washington’s six billionaires have a combined net worth of nearly $100 billion, which is 25 times the state’s budget deficit.


Or consider these examples:
California has a Democrat governor and Democrat-controlled state house and senate. Yet they are proposing to close their $25 billion budget gap by slashing $1.4 billion from higher education and $4 billion from k-12 education, according to the CTA. Additionally, Reuters and CNN report that the proposed budget would cut wages by 10% for many unionized state employees, while slashing Medi-Cal by $1.7 billion, Welfare-to-Work by $1.5 billion, and $705 million from the agency serving people with developmental disabilities. Yet, if just the richest 19 residents paid 10% more in taxes, the state’s $25 billion deficit would be completely erased. California has 80 billionaires, or 20% of Forbes’ richest Americans.


In New York, Democratic Governor Cuomo has proposed a budget plan calling for nearly 9,800 layoffs. The plan also calls for massive cuts to K-12 education (7.3%) and health care, in addition to 10% cuts to colleges and universities, reported NBC news. Additionally, CNN said that state agencies will have their budgets slashed by 20%. New York City, alone, has 58 billionaires who, together have so much wealth they could erase the State’s budget deficit without even noticing a change in their bank accounts.


In Maryland, Democratic Governor Martin O'Malley, who ran a pro-education and pro-labor campaign, and the Democrat-controlled state legislature, are now considering cuts to education and the state work force, according to the Baltimore Sun. Under the plan, current employees would have to increase their pension contributions by 25%, (7% of their pay), or they could opt to continue contributing about 5.6% of their pay, but would risk decreased benefits. WaPo reports that new employees would have no choice and their early retirement age would be raised from 55 to 60. Daily Censored says that $94 million will be cut from k-12 education, with $15 of it coming entirely from Baltimore City Schools.


Connecticut’s Democratic Governor, Dan Malloy, has pitted unions against the cities, basing his budget almost entirely on union concessions worth $1 billion over the next two years, according to CBS news. If the unions refuse to accept the cuts, he has threatened to slash state funding for cities. Hearst Connecticut Newspapers says that the losses to cities could be as much as $67 million for Bridgeport, $10.4 million from Danbury, $4.9 million Stamford, $1.8 million from Greenwich, and $5 million from Norwalk."

Funny thing, Deanie..."evil" Democrats seem to be doing the same thing as "evil" Republicans. Gee, wonder why the author of your article didn't report on those cuts as well?

Well Golly Gee.

Look at that would ya.

You can bet Deany won't be responding to your post there OS. LOL

 

[Inthemiddle]

I'm pretty sure this started out as a thread about tax cuts to the wealthy being paid for by cutting funding for education. It's amazing how the wing nuts wasted no time to ignore the topic and start bitching about unions.

The thread isn't that long, Gumby.

But I guess if it offers the opportunity for you just call people wing nuts in lieu of checking in with reality, it's all good, huh?

You're right, it's not very long at all. But the OP clearly sets a topic for discussion. The you wing nuts wasted zero time ignoring it and starting on the union bashing.

 

[DiamondDave]

Republicans say education is bad so they want to end it. Maybe they just can't learn?

Your typical false crapola

Go kill yourself

 

[G.T.]

We spend too much on Education for it to suck this bad.

 

[Full-Auto]

I'm pretty sure this started out as a thread about tax cuts to the wealthy being paid for by cutting funding for education. It's amazing how the wing nuts wasted no time to ignore the topic and start bitching about unions.

The thread isn't that long, Gumby.

But I guess if it offers the opportunity for you just call people wing nuts in lieu of checking in with reality, it's all good, huh?

You're right, it's not very long at all. But the OP clearly sets a topic for discussion. The you wing nuts wasted zero time ignoring it and starting on the union bashing.

The OP was clear. discriminate against some americans with the progressive tax code to save teachers, it doesnt have a damn thing to do with the children. Education funds are eaten up with salaries.

Dont worry you should get notice on how they can not afford supplies.

 

[Inthemiddle]

The OP was clear. discriminate against some americans with the progressive tax code to save teachers, it doesnt have a damn thing to do with the children. Education funds are eaten up with salaries.

Dont worry you should get notice on how they can not afford supplies.

Everyone has the right to pursue their personal wealth as much as they can, don't they? So the complaint is now about the free market? People are paid what they are worth.

 

[Full-Auto]

The OP was clear. discriminate against some americans with the progressive tax code to save teachers, it doesnt have a damn thing to do with the children. Education funds are eaten up with salaries.

Dont worry you should get notice on how they can not afford supplies.

Everyone has the right to pursue their personal wealth as much as they can, don't they? So the complaint is now about the free market? People are paid what they are worth.

union s in the public service is not free market.

We dont need to go over public and private do we?

 

[Inthemiddle]

union s in the public service is not free market.

Yes they are.

We dont need to go over public and private do we?

There is nothing magical about working in the public sector. You wing nuts have such an irrational hatred of government, you automatically assume that anything related to government is instantly and magically evil.

 

[Seawytch]

Yes, our education system in this country is not serving its populace well. Can someone tell me how cutting funding to education is going to fix it? How does that make sense on ANY level?

Class sizes are already too big, but when we cut spending to education it will increase class sizes. We don't have enough schools for the students we have, but we will cut education, forcing schools to close. How will that "fix" our education system?