Good thing this British woman didn't have a gun, sure, she may lose the sight in one eye...but....

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And you need to know a "smidgen" of history before inserting your foot in yours.

The greater picture FOR gun ownership is not self-defense. It is National Defense.
History proves that an armed civilian population is less likely to fall victim to tyrants.

Given your TDS with Trump, it would seem you might understand. Apparently you leftist fakes don't feel much threatened by Trump after all or you'd be defending your rights to bear arms, not begging to give them away.

The alternative is that you folks really are JUST THAT Stupid.

Hi, just an FYI, I'm British posting in the Europe forum about a topic relating to the UK, got that? Oh, regarding "history" here's an interesting article about .38 "special people" and defence against tyranny Why the 'Citizen Militia' Theory Is the Worst Pro-Gun Argument Ever - The Atlantic Now don't forget to take your medication, there's a good boy/girl/basichumanunit.

The United States..


.where there are 600 million guns in private hands, and over 17.25 million Americans carry them for self defense....

Major US cities see crime, murder rates drop in 2018

Murder and crime rates in the nation’s largest cities, including some riven by gang violence, extended their decades-long decline in 2018.

A new report from the Brennan Center for Justice shows the murder rate fell by almost 6 percent between 2017 and 2018 in the 30 largest U.S. cities.

Violent crime overall dropped by about 2.7 percent in cities where data was available, while the overall crime rate declined 1.8 percent.

“This is a trend starting in the early ‘90s, where crime has been plummeting,” said Inimai Chettiar, director of the Brennan Center’s Justice Program. “We are at all-time lows for crime. We’re not in the middle of a crime wave.”

The report comes as the U.S. Senate prepares to vote on a White House-backed criminal justice reform measure that would overhaul sentencing guidelines and prison practices in hopes of reducing recidivism. The bill also would end mandatory life sentences for some crimes under the three-strikes law.

Britain...

Statistics released earlier in 2018 had shown gun crime up 11% in 2017/18, and in the same period, the Metropolitan police said discharges of lethal barrelled firearms rose by 23%. Compared to 2015/16, there has been a 67% increase in the capital alone.



Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

And as I keep pointing out to the anti gunners here.....

Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.

Would those 30 cities in the USA be Democrat controlled cities by any chance?

Likely. But eventually, even criminals get tired of murdering each other.

There you go, we won't need guns when all the criminals have murdered each other, will we?

You think criminals will stop existing at some point in human history?