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because of the much denser population this could be as bad or worse than Katrina
Why do we pay for the National Hurricane Center if you want mayors to ignore their warnings like mayor Nagin did in New Orleans? Democrats stick their fingers in their ears & close their eyes. They even re-elected Mayor Ray Nagin after he killed 1,836 citizens by being incompetent.
Nagin was re-elected because when all the facts were know..it was basically a complete failure on the part of the Federal government that left people languishing in flood waters for almost a week. That's what caused all the death.
Many in the area have argued that Katrina, which struck the region Aug. 29, 2005, was a man-made disaster caused by the Army Corps' failure to maintain the levee system protecting the city.
Since when does a mayor have any say over the army core of engineers?
We are built for nor easters and they are no joke,
plus cold air has tons more force than warm air.
Why do we pay for the National Hurricane Center if you want mayors to ignore their warnings like mayor Nagin did in New Orleans? Democrats stick their fingers in their ears & close their eyes. They even re-elected Mayor Ray Nagin after he killed 1,836 citizens by being incompetent.
Nagin was re-elected because when all the facts were know..it was basically a complete failure on the part of the Federal government that left people languishing in flood waters for almost a week. That's what caused all the death.
Many in the area have argued that Katrina, which struck the region Aug. 29, 2005, was a man-made disaster caused by the Army Corps' failure to maintain the levee system protecting the city.
Since when does a mayor have any say over the army core of engineers?
oh, well, if many have argued it, then it's settled science.
did the COE prevent nagin from evacuating the city? did they round up all the bus drivers and hold them against their will? did they black out the weather forecasts? there's plenty of blame to go around for our response to katrina, and if you think that it all falls on bush and the corps of engineers, you're just too partisan to see reality.
or really, really stupid
3 DAYS, NO BRIDGES, NO AIRPORTS. National Guard deployed to protect the Governor. Cops looting and killing.
No evacuation. It was the MAYOR with the help of the Governor's job to evacuate the sick and helpless. What part of NO EVACUATION do you fail to grasp?
What part of EVERYWHERE except New Orleans they evacuated and when FEMA arrived were well taken care of? The MAYOR AND THE GOVERNOR fucked that up. Pretty simple concept. Or are you advocating the Federal Government force evacuations on cities and States when they fail to act as their duty requires them?
There's a difference in mindset between liberals and conservatives.
Conservatives will see a guy drown..point to his buddies and laugh at him. "His hard luck, fuck him for being so stupid", the Conservative will say.
A Liberal in the same situation will marshal his friends to form a human chain to save the guy.
That's kind of what your post is like too.
So, why were those patients not evacuated?You seem to lack even the most basic factual understanding. First of all the Buses run on Diesel and or Propane, CNG, LNG but not Gasoline. Gasoline shortage is what caused traffic jams & slow evacuations. There was not a Diesel shortage during Katrina or any other hurricane evacuation. The HOV lanes were not contra-flowed & designated lanes can be established for busses only & convoy. Fuel depots, roads, stores buses & anything else can be commandeered by police with no government orders.
Nagin knew the buses existed. He stated he did not have insurance to cover evacuation with them. The Governor has multi-jurisdictional authority. State & Local Police have the authority to commandeer any vehicles they need in an emergency. See: Blackman v. City of Cincinnati, a 1942 Ohio Supreme Court case. Commandeering isn't limited to cars. After Hurricane Katrina and the subsequent flood, police commandeered a pharmacy to help the sick. In NYC police on foot & horseback routinely commandeer taxi cabs to transport suspects to police stations.
It does not take a presidential order to evacuate. Any cop can commandeer anything & force citizens to vacate. Nagin & Blanco screwed up because they were pussies after catching hell from the Ivan evacuation. But it is all Bush's fault.
Every bus can take the place of 50 cars & trucks evacuating citizens from a city. The City of New Orleans officials had 550 municipal buses and 300+ additional buses available for evacuation. These 850 buses would have taken 42,500 cars off the highway & out of gas stations per trip & evacuated 80,000 per trip. Less traffic & gas lines means way faster evacuations. There were 1,472 police officers available to load, drive & escort these buses out of New Orleans. Nagin & Blanco screwed up & 200 cops deserted them. This still left 1,272 cops to drive 850 buses! Yet it 100% Bush's fault! You prove yourself to be a bigger idiot with every post.
One has to ask, if FEMA was at fault in New Orleans then how come EVERY OTHER STATE hit was fine with FEMA?
FEMA was in New Orleans in 3 days, with bridges out, airports out and no easy access. The biggest public screw up was when Nagin failed to inform FEMA of all the evacuation sites and FAILED to provide police protection to them.
ANYONE remember the picture of the hundreds of school buses flooded in their parking facility?
1,800 people died. Most of the death was not right away. In fact..a hospital that lacked power had to euthanize it's patients.
Ever hear of that before in the last century or so?
I put up a chart of large death tolls in this country.
The 2 biggest in a century are under President Bush.
You're a fucking idiot. That whole "it's Bush's fault" was debunked years ago. The fucking mayor of New Orleans didn't let his bus driver leave town, and the fucking female Democrat governor of Lousianna didn't request assistance from the Feds as required by fucking law. So how about you stuff that up your fat ass?Bloomberg is starting to evacuate New York - freakin - City? If this thing craps out around the Carolinas there's gonna be some serious backlash.
Would you rather see a repeat of Nagin's total failure of responsibility he committed in New Orleans? Nagin belongs in prison for what he did. When there is a very specific written procedure and a mayor just ups and decides he is going to ignore it and people die -then he belongs in prison, sorry. Instead that guy got re-elected, only underscoring just how corrupt the Louisiana political system really is.
Don't get me wrong -I can't stand Bloomberg and he is no Republican and should just switch parties. But the fact this guy isn't taking chances of seeing nursing homes filled with floating corpses as happened in New Orleans after Nagin failed to follow their own emergency procedure - should not count against him. Not when there are so many legitimate reasons to oppose this guy. But THIS one isn't one of them. I don't care what party someone is - if they decide they will not gamble with real lives and they err in favor of life, I refuse to criticize or second guess them.
Nagin didn't fuck up. George "Heck of a job Brownie" Bush did. His administration failed to provide adequate funding to FEMA and appointed someone with no experience in disaster recovery to head it. That and the army core of engineer failed to maintain navigation channels.
Many in the area have argued that Katrina, which struck the region Aug. 29, 2005, was a man-made disaster caused by the Army Corps' failure to maintain the levee system protecting the city.
While still evaluating the 156-page opinion, the MRGO Litigation Group issued the following statement: "We are pleased with Judge Duval's ruling in this historic case. This decision is one step on the long road to recovery for the people of New Orleans. It has been proven in a court of law that the drowning of New Orleans was not a natural disaster, but a preventable man-made travesty. The government has always had a moral obligation to rebuild New Orleans. This decision makes that obligation a matter of legal responsibility."
Read more: Judge Holds Army Corps Responsible For Katrina Damage - New Orleans News Story - WDSU New Orleans
In any case...even if your debunked theory had merit...the Bush administration allowed New Orleans to languish in flood waters for close to a week. That's when most of the deaths occurred. Close to 2,000 Americans died in that catastrophe.
The Federal Government's job was never specified in the Constitution as to step in and assist after natural disasters. The first such occurrence was in the 1920's when Herbert Hoover stepped up and organized the relief work assisting the people after the Great Mississippi Flood of that decade. He did such a spectacular job that the people elected him their next President.
The President is restricted and prevented by the Constitution from sending Federal troops into a state. The first ever violation was Eisenhower's sending the 101st Airborne into Little Rock. {Achtung! Libs! Eisenhower(R) Little Rock, Orville Faubus (D) to help black kids attend school} He needs permission from civil authorities on the local level to do so. Catherine Blanco, Governor of Louisianna during Katrina was so distraught, spent so much time crying, she couldn't sign the necessary papers allowing Federal troops and help into NOLA for three days.
This storm is just so much hype its sickening.
Its losing intensity so rapidly its liable to be a category 1 storm by the time it makes its North Carolina landfall and be just a tropical depression or just a collection of rain showers by the time it gets to NYC, a far cry from the 1938 storm. The anemometer at the Boston Weather Bureau office recorded a wind gust of 186 mph before it blew away then. My father got caught out in that one with a four to five mile walk to get home. A set of railroad tracks paralleled the main road he was on and at times the wind was so strong he had to lie between the rails hanging on to the ties to keep from getting blown away. But that one wasn't nearly as bad as the 1930's Labor day Hurricane in the Florida keys when Washington sent a train to rescue the WWI vets working on Flagler's Florida Intercoastal railway. The train got blown off the tracks before it could effect the rescue. Some of the victims who were killed had their skin sandblasted off their bodies by the wind.
The storm from the Weather Channel grows in intensity proportional to the size of viewing audience they can draw.
The huge death toll was the result of the conservative mindset. I got mine..you get yours.
Simple as that.
And that's no way to run a country.
1,800 people died. Most of the death was not right away. In fact..a hospital that lacked power had to euthanize it's patients.
Ever hear of that before in the last century or so?
I put up a chart of large death tolls in this country.
The 2 biggest in a century are under President Bush.
