Good guy with a gun saves woman being stabbed to death...

[2aguy]

So...this is another one of those Unicorns that the anti gunners say do not exist....a concealed carry permit holder, with a gun, saving the life of another citizen....

Keep in mind....it ends the way most defensive gun uses end...the criminal held at gun point for the police, and no shots are fired....

Employee Stabbed At GM Warren Tech Center, Suspect In Custody

The women got into some kind of verbal dispute, Fouts said, during which the visitor pulled out a steak knife and violently stabbed the employee several times in the neck, abdomen and back.

A nearby valet driver, who also has a concealed pistol license, saw what was happening and rushed to the employee’s aid.

“He pulled the weapon out and stopped the attack from taking place,” said Fouts. “By then, this woman had been stabbed multiple times.”

The driver held the attacker on the ground at gunpoint as other GM workers called 911. Police quickly arrived on the scene and took the suspect into custody as the employee was rushed to the hospital.

She underwent surgery and was last reported in stable condition.

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Fouts said the valet driver might have very well saved the employee’s life.

“This valet driver, by having his concealed weapon — and I guess there’s an argument that people should be able to have a concealed weapon — he was able to stop this violent act from reaching a very unfortunate end,” he said. “And as it is, the woman is in critical condition but hopefully she will survive.”

 

[Jackson]

Thank you for the story. I'm sure it is going to be ignored by this administration. No WH Award of Honor for him.

 

[Wilbur Right]

You doing good for today. Only 3998 more to go to hit the daily average.

Better hope there is more DGUs going on or you will be seriously behind.

 

[martybegan]

You doing good for today. Only 3998 more to go to hit the daily average.

Better hope there is more DGUs going on or you will be seriously behind.

So the standard is that he has to document every single one that happens?

Interesting, hacky, but interesting.

 

[Wilbur Right]

So the standard is that he has to document every single one that happens?

He is the one preaching that DGUs happen at the rate of around four thousand per day.

Somebody ought to ask for the evidence of that occuring as the belief that 1.5 million DGUs per year is etched in the gun lovers mind as GOSPEL truth.

Its just that I have serious doubts as to the accuracy of that claim. As I have said; DGUs happen.

But at a rate of four thousand a day? I seriously doubt that. So I help him keep count when I can.

 

[martybegan]

So the standard is that he has to document every single one that happens?

He is the one preaching that DGUs happen at the rate of around four thousand per day.

Somebody ought to ask for the evidence of that occuring as the belief that 1.5 million DGUs per year is etched in the gun lovers mind as GOSPEL truth.

Its just that I have serious doubts as to the accuracy of that claim. As I have said; DGUs happen.

But at a rate of four thousand a day? I seriously doubt that. So I help him keep count when I can.

Considering a population of 319M americans, 1.5 million DGS's works out to 1 out of every 212 people or so.

As a comparison, if you take the # of car accidents in 2013 around 5.5 million, you get an accident every 56 people.

So car accidents are 4 or so times more common. To me the number seems more reasonable when you see it that way.

 

[Wilbur Right]

Considering a population of 319M americans, 1.5 million DGS's works out to 1 out of every 212 people or so.

Well, the basic flaw in your numbers is that all 319 million people in the country dont have guns.

And what is the connection to cars?
Defensive Gun Use = Defensive Car Use? Or what?

 

[2aguy]

So the standard is that he has to document every single one that happens?

He is the one preaching that DGUs happen at the rate of around four thousand per day.

Somebody ought to ask for the evidence of that occuring as the belief that 1.5 million DGUs per year is etched in the gun lovers mind as GOSPEL truth.

Its just that I have serious doubts as to the accuracy of that claim. As I have said; DGUs happen.

But at a rate of four thousand a day? I seriously doubt that. So I help him keep count when I can.

I have the research right here.......notice how many actual studies there are over what period of time....and notice the numbers, and the different types of researchers doing the work.....

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[2aguy]

So the standard is that he has to document every single one that happens?

He is the one preaching that DGUs happen at the rate of around four thousand per day.

Somebody ought to ask for the evidence of that occuring as the belief that 1.5 million DGUs per year is etched in the gun lovers mind as GOSPEL truth.

Its just that I have serious doubts as to the accuracy of that claim. As I have said; DGUs happen.

But at a rate of four thousand a day? I seriously doubt that. So I help him keep count when I can.

Considering a population of 319M americans, 1.5 million DGS's works out to 1 out of every 212 people or so.

As a comparison, if you take the # of car accidents in 2013 around 5.5 million, you get an accident every 56 people.

So car accidents are 4 or so times more common. To me the number seems more reasonable when you see it that way.

Thanks......I appreciate that work you just did...it gets old trying to argue with these anti gunners who will take any fake research on man made global warming as gospel....and then deny 40 years of actual research into defensive gun use.....

 

[2aguy]

So the standard is that he has to document every single one that happens?

He is the one preaching that DGUs happen at the rate of around four thousand per day.

Somebody ought to ask for the evidence of that occuring as the belief that 1.5 million DGUs per year is etched in the gun lovers mind as GOSPEL truth.

Its just that I have serious doubts as to the accuracy of that claim. As I have said; DGUs happen.

But at a rate of four thousand a day? I seriously doubt that. So I help him keep count when I can.

We have over 320 million people in this country....it is a big place.....and the Department of Justice came up with 1.5 million....

 

[idb]

Starting a discussion with a strawman statement is a perfect way to win an argument.
For example "this is another one of those Unicorns that the anti gunners say do not exist....a concealed carry permit holder, with a gun, saving the life of another citizen...."

 

[2aguy]

Starting a discussion with a strawman statement is a perfect way to win an argument.
For example "this is another one of those Unicorns that the anti gunners say do not exist....a concealed carry permit holder, with a gun, saving the life of another citizen...."

Have you ever read joe's posts........nuff said....

 

[idb]

Starting a discussion with a strawman statement is a perfect way to win an argument.
For example "this is another one of those Unicorns that the anti gunners say do not exist....a concealed carry permit holder, with a gun, saving the life of another citizen...."

Have you ever read joe's posts........nuff said....

Your opening sentence is patently false.

 

[2aguy]

And here we have the rest of the story.....they fired the Valet.....

GM Fires Concealed Carrying Valet Who Saved Autoworker Under Attack

Update: General Motors has fired the concealed-carrying valet who stepped in save the life of a GM worker who was being stabbed in front of one of their buildings in a domestic dispute.

The mayor says a valet driver who has a CPL intervened and stopped the attack from getting worse. The worker, 32-year-old Didarul Sarder, tells 7 Action News he was escorted off of the property and fired after the incident

 

[westwall]

So the standard is that he has to document every single one that happens?

He is the one preaching that DGUs happen at the rate of around four thousand per day.

Somebody ought to ask for the evidence of that occuring as the belief that 1.5 million DGUs per year is etched in the gun lovers mind as GOSPEL truth.

Its just that I have serious doubts as to the accuracy of that claim. As I have said; DGUs happen.

But at a rate of four thousand a day? I seriously doubt that. So I help him keep count when I can.

Actually, the claim was made by Bill Clintons Dept. Of Justice. Get your facts straight.

 

[2aguy]

Starting a discussion with a strawman statement is a perfect way to win an argument.
For example "this is another one of those Unicorns that the anti gunners say do not exist....a concealed carry permit holder, with a gun, saving the life of another citizen...."

Have you ever read joe's posts........nuff said....

Your opening sentence is patently false.

No...it is funny.....and for some of the anti gun nuts on this site completely accurate.........

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Anyone ever notice how anti-gunners are disappointed when a life is saved?

 

[martybegan]

Considering a population of 319M americans, 1.5 million DGS's works out to 1 out of every 212 people or so.

Well, the basic flaw in your numbers is that all 319 million people in the country dont have guns.

And what is the connection to cars?
Defensive Gun Use = Defensive Car Use? Or what?

all 319M don't have cars either, it was just to compare the scope of accidents vs. claimed DGU's per X amount of the population. The fact that it relates to but is less than car crashes lends more credibility to the numbers, but doesn't necessarily justify them.

I used car crashes as a reference because it is quantifiable and something most people can relate to.

This is just a rough feeling out to see if the number is even remotely possible, and considering it isn't saying like 1 in 5 or 10, or even 50, it makes it more believable to me.

 

[martybegan]

So the standard is that he has to document every single one that happens?

He is the one preaching that DGUs happen at the rate of around four thousand per day.

Somebody ought to ask for the evidence of that occuring as the belief that 1.5 million DGUs per year is etched in the gun lovers mind as GOSPEL truth.

Its just that I have serious doubts as to the accuracy of that claim. As I have said; DGUs happen.

But at a rate of four thousand a day? I seriously doubt that. So I help him keep count when I can.

Considering a population of 319M americans, 1.5 million DGS's works out to 1 out of every 212 people or so.

As a comparison, if you take the # of car accidents in 2013 around 5.5 million, you get an accident every 56 people.

So car accidents are 4 or so times more common. To me the number seems more reasonable when you see it that way.

Thanks......I appreciate that work you just did...it gets old trying to argue with these anti gunners who will take any fake research on man made global warming as gospel....and then deny 40 years of actual research into defensive gun use.....

My quick math doesn't validate the DGU occurrence number, what it does it shows that its plausible only.

 

[martybegan]

And here we have the rest of the story.....they fired the Valet.....

GM Fires Concealed Carrying Valet Who Saved Autoworker Under Attack

Update: General Motors has fired the concealed-carrying valet who stepped in save the life of a GM worker who was being stabbed in front of one of their buildings in a domestic dispute.

The mayor says a valet driver who has a CPL intervened and stopped the attack from getting worse. The worker, 32-year-old Didarul Sarder, tells 7 Action News he was escorted off of the property and fired after the incident

No good deed ever goes unpunished.