Going Green = Making America poor!!!

[MeBelle]

John Stossel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


some right wing clown?

no time for fantasy reading in my day

Didn't read the bio, didja?

He is a Libertarian.

 

[editec]

The OILY mafia gets billions in government subsidies.

The GREEN MAFIA wants to wets its beak.

 

[starcraftzzz]

Obama claims that if we "invest" more, we can "create millions of jobs -- but only if we accelerate the "green transition." What could make more sense? A little push from the smart politicians, and -- voila! -- an abundance of new jobs and a cleaner, sustainable environment.

Fossil fuel energy is mostly produced in foreign country and green energy is ALL produced in America the results is that green energy creates 3 times the jobs in American then fossil fuel energy.... Other then that when you include the health and environmental effectsw of fossil fuels green energy costs half of what fossil fuels cost

It's the ultimate twofer. Except it's an illusion, because governments do not "create" jobs.

Yes because all teachers, police officiators, health officials, regulators, and construction workers are unemployed/

"All the government can do is subsidize some industries while jacking up costs for others," writes Green.

Oh I see so according to Green the govt can't raise taxes, or ban gay marriage... what a idiot.

"It is destroying jobs in the conventional energy sector -- and most likely in other industrial sectors -- through taxes and subsidies to new green companies that will use taxpayer dollars to undercut the competition. The subsidized jobs 'created' are, by definition, less efficient uses of capital than market-created jobs."

Since most the jobs in the conventional energy sector are in foreign countries why would Americans care?
Furthermore when health an environmental factors are considered clean energy creates twice the jobs

 

[starcraftzzz]

Here in Portland, Oregon, just one solar plant employees over 1000 people at living wage jobs. And we have windmills that are going up daily, providing construction jobs now, and maintenance jobs after that.

And you'll be paying higher electricity rates if Denmark is any indicator.

Yep and you'll be paying lower health care rates of which when compared will result in you paying less in total

 

[bripat9643]

anyway.........blah........blah..........blah............

Realville is a tough place for the AGW true believers to visit. And Im betting a vast majority of people are going to be saying "Fuck you!!!!!!" to all driving around in micro cars and living in micro huts and using wooden iPhones

Model X | Tesla Motors

Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive Model X is offered with optional Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive. The second motor enables more than all-weather, all-road capabilities: it increases torque by 50%. When outfitted with AWD, Model X Performance accelerates from 0 to 60 mph in less than 5 seconds, outperforming the fastest SUVs and many sports cars.

How far does it go on a hot day with the air conditioning on?

 

[westwall]

Here in Portland, Oregon, just one solar plant employees over 1000 people at living wage jobs. And we have windmills that are going up daily, providing construction jobs now, and maintenance jobs after that.

You mean this plant?

SolarWorld reaches 1,000 jobs

Beisner told Oregon Business in June 2008 that SolarWorld chose Oregon over California and other competing states because of the pool of workers, vendors and suppliers "that already understand silicon." The company also received a whopping $20 million Business Energy Tax Credit.

SolarWorld has grown with help from the state of Oregon and partnerships with Oregon universities, as well as with $82.2 million in renewable-energy manufacturing tax credits from the U.S. government.

So let's see, 1,000 jobs, $102.2 million in subsidies - so those "living wage" jobs only cost the taxpayers $102,200 each. Hmmmm......

That about covers it. They might as well be on the government payroll.

 

[westwall]

anyway.........blah........blah..........blah............

Realville is a tough place for the AGW true believers to visit. And Im betting a vast majority of people are going to be saying "Fuck you!!!!!!" to all driving around in micro cars and living in micro huts and using wooden iPhones

Model X | Tesla Motors

Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive Model X is offered with optional Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive. The second motor enables more than all-weather, all-road capabilities: it increases torque by 50%. When outfitted with AWD, Model X Performance accelerates from 0 to 60 mph in less than 5 seconds, outperforming the fastest SUVs and many sports cars.

And how much is that wonderful car? The signature version requires a 40,000 deposit. I'd rather have a MP4-12C for that kind of money. Nice to see you dream though. But tell me. Who's going to buy one of those? It certainly won't be you. You don't make enough cash to buy one.

 

[westwall]

Skull, we have been paying higher rates year by year in every part of the nation in any case.

Yes, to pay for your misbegotten green projects. Take away the subsidy and our rates drop.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Here in Portland, Oregon, just one solar plant employees over 1000 people at living wage jobs. And we have windmills that are going up daily, providing construction jobs now, and maintenance jobs after that.

And you'll be paying higher electricity rates if Denmark is any indicator.

Yep and you'll be paying lower health care rates of which when compared will result in you paying less in total

SO a windmill is going to make me healthier? I doubt it.

And if you're going to make claims like that with such certainty then you should link to the study that proves them

 

[Skull Pilot]

anyway.........blah........blah..........blah............

Realville is a tough place for the AGW true believers to visit. And Im betting a vast majority of people are going to be saying "Fuck you!!!!!!" to all driving around in micro cars and living in micro huts and using wooden iPhones

Model X | Tesla Motors

Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive Model X is offered with optional Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive. The second motor enables more than all-weather, all-road capabilities: it increases torque by 50%. When outfitted with AWD, Model X Performance accelerates from 0 to 60 mph in less than 5 seconds, outperforming the fastest SUVs and many sports cars.

How far does it go on a hot day with the air conditioning on?

Or on a cold day with the heater running?

 

[KissMy]

Here in Portland, Oregon, just one solar plant employees over 1000 people at living wage jobs. And we have windmills that are going up daily, providing construction jobs now, and maintenance jobs after that.

Which coal fired power plant powers that solar power plant & Portland at night? Carbon offsets is not a sustainable green energy. Real power must be continuously produced.

 

[Truthseeker420]

Top 10 Greenest Countries:

1. Iceland

2. Switzerland

3. Costa Rica

4. Sweden

5. Norway

6. Mauritius

7. France

8. Austria

9. Cuba

10. Colombia

Top 10 Greenest Countries | Top 10 Lists | TopTenz.net

 

[starcraftzzz]

And you'll be paying higher electricity rates if Denmark is any indicator.

Yep and you'll be paying lower health care rates of which when compared will result in you paying less in total

SO a windmill is going to make me healthier? I doubt it.

And if you're going to make claims like that with such certainty then you should link to the study that proves them

Are you seriosuly so stupid that you think oil spills, and pollution make you healthy?

Here is a study that finds fossil fuels cost twice that of green energy when you include health/environmental costs
Economists: Coal Is Incredibly Costly | ThinkProgress

and another

Life-cycle study: Accounting for total harm from coal would add "close to 17.8¢/kWh of electricity generated" | ThinkProgress

and another
Coal Does More Harm Than Good in Kentucky: $62 Million for Asthma Costs, $10 Billion for Lost Lives | ThinkProgress

and another
Coal's hidden costs top $345 billion in U.S.: study | Reuters

and another
http://appalachiarising.org/press-and-bloggers/factsheet-on-mountaintop-removal-coal-mining/
Unemployment rates and Surface Mining in Appalachia | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Do you also want me to post the health problems caused by fossil fuels and the environm,ental costs?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Yep and you'll be paying lower health care rates of which when compared will result in you paying less in total

SO a windmill is going to make me healthier? I doubt it.

And if you're going to make claims like that with such certainty then you should link to the study that proves them

Are you seriosuly so stupid that you think oil spills, and pollution make you healthy?

Here is a study that finds fossil fuels cost twice that of green energy when you include health/environmental costs
Economists: Coal Is Incredibly Costly | ThinkProgress

and another

Life-cycle study: Accounting for total harm from coal would add "close to 17.8¢/kWh of electricity generated" | ThinkProgress

and another
Coal Does More Harm Than Good in Kentucky: $62 Million for Asthma Costs, $10 Billion for Lost Lives | ThinkProgress

and another
Coal's hidden costs top $345 billion in U.S.: study | Reuters

and another
http://appalachiarising.org/press-and-bloggers/factsheet-on-mountaintop-removal-coal-mining/
Unemployment rates and Surface Mining in Appalachia | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Do you also want me to post the health problems caused by fossil fuels and the environm,ental costs?

Is Think Progress a scientific entity or is it an opinion hawker. And I have not had any ill health effects from oil spills or pollution. You may like to think everyone is sick so as to support your stand but you haven't really proven your point.

And I'm all for reducing the use of fossil fuels but multi trillion dollar federal fuck up projects are not the way to do it.

 

[starcraftzzz]

SO a windmill is going to make me healthier? I doubt it.

And if you're going to make claims like that with such certainty then you should link to the study that proves them

Are you seriosuly so stupid that you think oil spills, and pollution make you healthy?

Here is a study that finds fossil fuels cost twice that of green energy when you include health/environmental costs
Economists: Coal Is Incredibly Costly | ThinkProgress

and another

Life-cycle study: Accounting for total harm from coal would add "close to 17.8¢/kWh of electricity generated" | ThinkProgress

and another
Coal Does More Harm Than Good in Kentucky: $62 Million for Asthma Costs, $10 Billion for Lost Lives | ThinkProgress

and another
Coal's hidden costs top $345 billion in U.S.: study | Reuters

and another
http://appalachiarising.org/press-and-bloggers/factsheet-on-mountaintop-removal-coal-mining/
Unemployment rates and Surface Mining in Appalachia | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Do you also want me to post the health problems caused by fossil fuels and the environm,ental costs?

Is Think Progress a scientific entity or is it an opinion hawker. And I have not had any ill health effects from oil spills or pollution. You may like to think everyone is sick so as to support your stand but you haven't really proven your point.

And I'm all for reducing the use of fossil fuels but multi trillion dollar federal fuck up projects are not the way to do it.

Yes source facts and data is 100% opinion.
You know I asked 5 conservatives who said think progress was biased to
source one lie that they have made; they failed you care to try?
This is why conservatives refuse to accept any source that liberals post. Because
conservatives do not do research they go to Glen Beck and read is
stupid rants that contain no facts data or anything so they think
that liberals are stupid like them and only read/source shit like Glen Beck.
So actually go to the source before you talk about it.
There may be a better way the govrement building energy production etc such as mandated
emissions reductions, but right now all we have are your so called
"federal govrmeent fuck ups" which happen to create more economic benifits
then they cost, which really does not sound like a fuck up unless you're a partisan hack

 

[Moonglow]

Lets face it.........the k00ks trying to make out like green energy is going to be dominating soon is like this one.............

............ saying she's going to dominate the wet t-shirt contest!!!


Then again.........maybe........most of these fruits are a bit socially odd.

We need the good ole days of wasting billions on a Star Wars Missle Defense system.

 

[westwall]

Lets face it.........the k00ks trying to make out like green energy is going to be dominating soon is like this one.............

............ saying she's going to dominate the wet t-shirt contest!!!


Then again.........maybe........most of these fruits are a bit socially odd.

We need the good ole days of wasting billions on a Star Wars Missle Defense system.

At least we got something for the money. We got technological breakthroughs that are being used in the aviation and automotive industries, we got medical advancements, and of course the computer industry benefitted from the billions invested.

What exactly has the 100 billion given to the AGW supporters given us???? Let's see. A plan to spend 76 TRILLION dollars to lower the global temperature by one degree....maybe.

Sounds like an absolute bargain there.

 

[Moonglow]

Lets face it.........the k00ks trying to make out like green energy is going to be dominating soon is like this one.............

............ saying she's going to dominate the wet t-shirt contest!!!


Then again.........maybe........most of these fruits are a bit socially odd.

We need the good ole days of wasting billions on a Star Wars Missle Defense system.

At least we got something for the money. We got technological breakthroughs that are being used in the aviation and automotive industries, we got medical advancements, and of course the computer industry benefitted from the billions invested.

What exactly has the 100 billion given to the AGW supporters given us???? Let's see. A plan to spend 76 TRILLION dollars to lower the global temperature by one degree....maybe.

Sounds like an absolute bargain there.

yes it does take time and money to develop new technologies or make them better.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Lets face it.........the k00ks trying to make out like green energy is going to be dominating soon is like this one.............

............ saying she's going to dominate the wet t-shirt contest!!!


Then again.........maybe........most of these fruits are a bit socially odd.

We need the good ole days of wasting billions on a Star Wars Missle Defense system.

Star Wars actually worked, Carl Sagan

 

[whitehall]

If you look at it closely it's easy to see that the tree huggers have been hijacked by the socialist revolution. Barry Obama hired a communist with no experience other than leading an arson and looting rampage to be on his green jobs board. The timing of the green revolution is suspect. Just when America is at it's economic weak point the revolutionary greenies decide that they should push for costlier and less effective energy sources while US subscribes to an extortion scheme called global warming.