God help us , we didn't learn from VietNam

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    LBJ's fake "Tonkin Gulf Incident" set the stage for American involvement in Vietnam. The only way to win a war is to take and hold real estate. Democrats thought the new concept would be to win a piece of ground in a desperate battle and give it away the next day while hoping the enemy would give up. It didn't happen and LBJ told the world he had enough when Walter Cronkite called the Tet victory a "stalemate".
    Today we have a virtually forgotton war going on in Afghanistan where democrats set the rules so that the greatest Military in the world has to fight by rules set by a rag-tag bunch of tribes. It's deja-vu all over again. We watch cable TV as NATO jets kicked the snot out of Libyan loyalists and supported the rebels as they swept to victory. How are we doing in Afghanistan? No jets? No friendly rebels? No victory? If we don't want to kill people and break things lets get the hell out of there.
     
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    are you this stupid in real life?
     
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    You gotta laugh when you see a bird with a pea sized brain who can't seem to put an argument together and just squalks stupid.
     
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    How's this?

    Vietnam was a war crime.
    Iraq was a war crime.

    Fighting Afghanistan like WWII was the biggest fucking mistake ever.

    Go in. Kill the guys you want dead from the air. Shower the kiddies with chocolate. Stick a fork in it. Light of a cigar..and get the fuck out.
     
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    Geez, can't I get a rational argument about VN? Iraq worked. American Military went farther, faster and took less casualties than any other conflict of it's type. Democrats hated it because they hate victory when a republican is in office. They had to swallow their pride after several attempts to demonize members of the Military though. Democrat senator John Kerry called Soldiers "terrorists" and former democrat congressman John Murtha called Marines "murderers". Democrat majority leader Harry Reid told Troops "the war is lost" just before the Troop Surge and democrats paid for a 10,000 full page ad in the NY Times calling the commander of US Troops "betray-us". Iraq was liberated but democrats tightened the screws on Afghanistan. They made it clear that members of the Military would be tried for murder if a single civilian was killed in a bombing mission or by artillery fire or caught in a small arms crossfire.
     
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    That's nuts.

    What happened in Iraq was exactly what was predicted to happen in Iraq. It's withered military would collapse fast..because it HAD NO WMDs or the will to fight..and an insurgency would rise up and kill ALOT of people.

    THATS WHAT HAPPENED.

    And Poppa Bush had to send in his best men, Baker and Gates, to clean up the mess. It wasn't easy and it wasn't cheap.

    AND WE ARE STILL THERE.

    Afghanistan was ANOTHER clusterfuck. The whole thing could have been over there.

    But it wasn't. So now we have 2 of the longest and most expensive wars in US history. At the same freakin time.
     
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    The greatest Military in the world can't seem to get a break from sissies on the left. Media sources warned Bush not to tangle with the Iraq military or "risk coming back in body bags". Americans beat the sh+t out of them and the liberal media never apologized. The left still can't bring themselves to congratulate the US Military for the job they did in Iraq ...and I might add the job they were forced to do in VN. The democrat party did all it could do short of treason and even long on treason to undermine the effort in Iraq even after they gave the president authorization to use the Military. Reid should have been indicted and Kerry should have been his cell mate. Murtha is dead.
     
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    Here's the deal lefties and fuzz face. Don't give me the B.S. about WMD's and all the political rhetoric. I heard it all forty years ago. The point is that the Afghanistan mission is VietNam all over again because politicians set it up that way. Live with it and support it if you are stupid enough but be aware of it.
     
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    best speech a libtard prez ever made

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRl1wfbi4L8]Lyndon B. Johnson - Declares Not to Seek Re-election - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    I don't think winning was the idea in Nam, just making Billions for the Military Industrial Complex.

    Anyone ever see the Robert McNamara documentary "Fog of War"? In it, he visits Vietnam, meets with the North Vietnamese Leader at the time and they both agree that nothing happened in the Gulf of Tonkin. So yes, it was a staged event.
     

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