God as an engineer

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    God as an engineer.

    Here we sit on this chaotic orb spinning through space and going nowhere. Around us we see incredible variations and strange adaptations in the natural world.

    It resembles nothing so much as chaos. Engineering teaches us that the best solution is simple, eloquent if you will. The earth shows no such simplicity and elegance of design.

    But let us just take man. To many He is god’s crowning achievement, the apex of all the life forms on earth. Is it possible that this is a created being that was created by an all powerful omniscient god? Could we be the work of a superior, but ungodlike engineer? To put is simply. Could this flatulating, sweating, urinating defecating foul breathed creature be the result of, if not godlike intelligence, at least some sort of intelligence?

    The above surely implies that we are not the apex of the perfect machine. The effects of the operating system, if not the system itself, leaves a lot to be desired. If today someone applied for a patent on the human body it would surely be denied solely due to the amount of pollution it creates.

    Let us go on the mechanics of the operation.

    We walk upright. This is an inherently unstable position making us top heavy and the simple act of keeping us upright requires a lot of computing power that would better be used for something else.

    While we have two hands, arms legs etc. one of each pair is inferior. The whole idea of “handedness” reeks of engineering stupidity or incompetence. There appears to be no reason for this except for the hated idea of imperfect evolution and chance.

    What engineer would produce a machine that is required to be shut down, useless, for a full third of it’s existence?

    What engineer would produce a machine that is so easily damaged with parts that cannot be replaced?

    Why are we placed at the mercy of so many of earth’s inhabitants, from the smallest virus to the largest predators? Whatever success we have had against both has had less to do with the original design and more to do with getting around that design.

    Then there is the whole drama of reproduction. What on earth were they thinking? A reproductive system that is not only disruptive to our lives but actually endangers us, females in particular.

    And lastly the final indignity, we cannot even breed true. The system of reproduction allows errors, many many errors, in the form of birth defects (millions of them) and mutations that are overwhelmingly to our detriment rather than to our advantage. For good or bad, and they are mostly bad, they are random; nothing planned about it. We are left depending on the roll of the dice.

    Sound like engineering, even bad engineering, to you? If this is the best God can do then the phrase “God help us” is as futile as it is false
     
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    Well, so much for that idea. I though it would at least spur a couple of responses.
     
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    Its a mystery! You just have to have faith!
    Or, maybe someone has misinterpreted the universe.
    Or, maybe a lot of someones!
    Don't let the term 'god' get to you.
     
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    It's strange, but all I see is perfection. Remember that Eden was God's plan. He gave us control over all other creatures. Women had one period a year. Birth was painless. Proper food plentiful, a firmemment to filter light. No thorns on the roses there.
    Sweat keeps our structure cool, burp to remove excess gas. A method to remove waste. We spin without getting dizzy, we tilt for a reason. And because God understood gravity before Sir Issac figured it out, our moon is exactly where we needed it to be. I would have probably placed it a little farther to the west, and all sea live would have died. I'd plug up the offensive butthole and in a few weeks there would be exploding humans everywhere. Holy shit!

    If there is chaos here it is because we produced it. Heaven is still non-chaotic, and earth will return to that status.
    Cosmos means order, and the more we explore God's space, the more we realize that there is a design.
    If we think we can do better, I am reminded of what God said to Job, "and where were you when I was creating the universe?"
    If we see flaw in God's work it is because of our lack of understanding, not his.
     
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    Physics, chemistry, and time.
    If there's a God, he/she planted the seed.
    The rest is physics, chemistry, and time.
     
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    A God we could encompass with our understanding could not exist.
    If God exists, we and everything are an expression of and, thus, one with the creator.

    If God does not exist, we have nothing to do about it.

    Perfection and imperfection are creations of humans and their perceptual apparatus. Chaos is a term we created for something we believe we observe, like good and bad, up and down, etc.

    If you want to know more about what life and the universe really are, forget what you've learned it is.
     
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    Got it! White is black up is down, inefficiency is efficient, chaos is order. Farting sweating crapping humanity is the best God could do.

    Why didn't I think of that?
     
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    Just the fact that god put the valley of fun next to a sewer proves he wasn't much of an engineer.
     
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    What would you have done differently? Maybe we could shit out of one ear.........
     
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