Globull Warming

[Contumacious]

Himalayan Glaciers Not Melting

Submitted by Doug L. Hoffman on Fri, 11/13/2009 - 15:26

According to a flurry of recent reports by the BBC and other mass media, the glaciers in the Himalayan mountains are melting at a furious pace. Of course this is taken as proof that climate change is still taking place at an ever accelerating rate, despite the fact the global temperatures have remained flat for the past decade. What, then, explains the rapidly retreating Himalayan glaciers? Nothing, because the glaciers are not shrinking. A new report by a senior Indian glaciologist states that the glaciers remain frozen and quite intact, thank you.

The report by Vijay Kumar Raina, formerly of the Geological Survey of India, seeks to correct widely spread reports that India's 10,000 or so Himalayan glaciers are shrinking rapidly in response to climate change. It's not true, Raina says. The rumors may have originated in the Asia chapter of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC's) 2007 Working Group II report, which claims that Himalayan glaciers “are receding faster than in any other part of the world and, if the present rate continues, the likelihood of them disappearing by the year 2035 and perhaps sooner is very high if the Earth keeps warming at the current rate.” Evidently, the bogus reporting was based on measurements from only a handful of glaciers."

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[Old Rocks]

Himalayan glacier melting observed from space
March 27, 2007 The Himalaya, the “Roof of the World”, source of the seven largest rivers of Asia are, like other mountain chains, suffering the effects of global warming. To assess the extent of melting of its 33 000 km2 of glaciers, scientists have been using a process they have been pioneering for some years. Satellite-imagery derived glacier surface topographies obtained at intervals of a few years were adjusted and compared.

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Himalayan glacier melting observed from space

Calculations indicated that 915 km2 of Himalayan glaciers of the test region, Spiti/Lahaul (Himachal Pradesh, India) thinned by an annual average of 0.85 m between 1999 and 2004. The technique is still experimental, but it has been validated in the Alps and could prove highly effective for watching over all the Himalayan glacier systems. However, the procedure for achieving a reliable estimate must overcome a number of sources of error and approximation inherent in satellite-based observations.

 

[Old Rocks]

Environment and Geology: Glacier melting in Himalayas may bring devastating floods in north Bihar plains of India.

The Himalayas have the largest concentrations of glaciers outside the polar region. They feed numerous mountain lakes in Nepal and Bhutan as well as seven Asian rivers: the Ganges, Indus, Brahmaputra, Mekong, Thanlwin, Yangtze, and Yellow Rivers. Tributaries of the Kosi River encircle Mt Everest from all sides and are fed by the world's highest glaciers. The Gandak river basin is reported to contain 1025 glaciers and 338 lakes. These contribute substantially to the lean season flows of the river. The short-term result of glacial melting in the Himalayas has been flooding and landslides, which claim approximately 400 lives each year in Nepal. However, scientists fear that in future decades the water level in these rivers could decline sharply, leading to severe water shortages and threatening an agricultural region that feeds over one billion people.

As the climate warms, Himalayan glaciers are melting more rapidly with each passing year, and that means first floods and then droughts for people of north Bihar in India.

 

[Old Rocks]

Videos on Climate Change The Himalayan Glaciers Are Disappearing

These vast and ancient ice glaciers bordering India and Tibet are second only in size to the polar ice caps.

Billions of people in China and the Indian subcontinent rely on their vital freshwater to supply seven of the world's largest Asian rivers across the planet's most densely populated regions.

However, global warming is causing the glaciers to melt for the first time since their formation 20,000 years ago, at a pace more rapid than anywhere else in the world.

Over the last 25 years, the Gangotri glacier alone has retreated more than 850 meters. (Source: NASA)

Dr. Jagdish Bahadur; Indian Glaciologist:
Himalayan glaciers are in general on retreat as anywhere else on the planet due to global warming.
VOICE:Continued melting at the current rate will result in massive flooding.

Dr. Jagdish Bahadur:Immediately when glaciers recede they release more water.

VOICE:…followed by severe drought.

Dr. Jagdish Bahadur:But over a period of time when glacier mass is reduced; the water supplies will be in short. So water deficit will affect one and all.

Swami Sundaranand; Hindu Monk (Hindi language):All these glaciers feed the Ganga. If these glaciers disappear,
the Ganga is gone.

 

[txlonghorn]

I just hope Al Gore gets to sell all his books before the real inconvenient truth is finally confirmed.

 

[Zoom-boing]

And the password is: MUM

EPA Employees Silenced for Criticizing Cap and Trade

Laurie Williams and husband Alan Zabel worked as lawyers for the Environmental Protection Agency, EPA, in its San Francisco office for more than 20 years, and they know more about climate change than most politicians. But when the couple released a video on the Internet expressing their concerns over the Obama administration’s plans to use cap-and-trade legislation to fight climate change, they were told to keep it to themselves.

Williams and Zabel oppose cap and trade -- a controversial government allowance program in which companies are issued emissions limits, or caps, which they can then trade -- as a means to fight climate change.

On their own time, Williams and Zabel made a video expressing these opinions.

VIDEO: EPA Employees Speak Out Against Cap and Trade

"Cap-and-trade with offsets provides a false sense of progress and puts money in the pockets of investors," Zabel said in the video. "We think that these restrictions might not be constitutional," he said.

Their bosses in San Francisco approved the effort by Williams and Zabel to release the tape, but after an editorial they wrote appeared in the Washington Post, EPA Director Lisa Jackson ordered the pair to remove the video or face disciplinary action.

Specifically, the administration's chief environmental official did not want Williams or Zabel mentioning their four decades with the EPA -- time spent studying cap and trade.

"The people who understand the problems with the cap and trade with offsets bill are not being heard," Williams told Fox News.

The EPA issued a statement saying it welcomes free expression provided employees adhere to ethics rules. The agency reportedly doesn't object to the content of the video but requires Williams and Zabel to make it clearer that they are speaking for themselves and not the EPA.

EPA Employees Silenced for Criticizing Cap and Trade - FOXNews.com

 

[Contumacious]

Himalayan Glaciers Not Melting

Submitted by Doug L. Hoffman on Fri, 11/13/2009 - 15:26

According to a flurry of recent reports by the BBC and other mass media, the glaciers in the Himalayan mountains are melting at a furious pace. Of course this is taken as proof that climate change is still taking place at an ever accelerating rate, despite the fact the global temperatures have remained flat for the past decade. What, then, explains the rapidly retreating Himalayan glaciers? Nothing, because the glaciers are not shrinking. A new report by a senior Indian glaciologist states that the glaciers remain frozen and quite intact, thank you.

The report by Vijay Kumar Raina, formerly of the Geological Survey of India, seeks to correct widely spread reports that India's 10,000 or so Himalayan glaciers are shrinking rapidly in response to climate change. It's not true, Raina says. The rumors may have originated in the Asia chapter of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC's) 2007 Working Group II report, which claims that Himalayan glaciers “are receding faster than in any other part of the world and, if the present rate continues, the likelihood of them disappearing by the year 2035 and perhaps sooner is very high if the Earth keeps warming at the current rate.” Evidently, the bogus reporting was based on measurements from only a handful of glaciers."

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Gangotri glacier, source of the Ganges River, retreated a few dozen meters from 2004 to 2008.
Photos provided by V. K. Raina.

 

[Claudette]

Why let the truth get in the way of making hundeeds of millions of dollars?? Gore sure didn't.

 

[Chris]

The truth is that most of the ice cap and most of the glaciers in the world are melting.

Lies won't change that.

But the right will lie about anything if it suits them.

 

[Contumacious]

The truth is that most of the ice cap and most of the glaciers in the world are melting.

Lies won't change that.

But the right will lie about anything if it suits them.

And you came to that conclusion how?

You Luddites are amazing. You want to stop industrial production . But you also want FREE Healthcare. Make up your feeble mind.

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[Screaming Eagle]

Global warming is an interesting theory, if only they could explain why for the last ten years we've had global cooling maybe they could get somewhere.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well Screammy, why don't you explain how 10 of the warmest years on record have been in the last eleven years? You really call that cooling? Are you that big of a fool?

 

[Old Rocks]

The truth is that most of the ice cap and most of the glaciers in the world are melting.

Lies won't change that.

But the right will lie about anything if it suits them.

And you came to that conclusion how?

You Luddites are amazing. You want to stop industrial production . But you also want FREE Healthcare. Make up your feeble mind.

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Strawmen.

We have consistently damned the Republican policy of shipping jobs overseas for the benefit of a few of the very wealthy.

Nobody is saying that there should be free healthcare except for those that are unable to provide it for themselves. All the other industrial nations manage to cover all of their citizens, we are the only industrial nation with a third world medical system, and third world results to show for it.

And we pay more for it on a per capita basis than does any other nation in the world.

And there is not a single scientific agency in the world that does not state that the ice caps and glaciers are melting. Not only that, we have photos from 150 years ago for many of the glaciers that show just how severe the melt has been.

In 2030, there will be no glaciers in Glacier National Park.

 

[Screaming Eagle]

Well Screammy, why don't you explain how 10 of the warmest years on record have been in the last eleven years? You really call that cooling? Are you that big of a fool?

I don't comment on figments of people's imaginations, sorry. It is not getting hotter now, tough shit.

 

[Toronado3800]

Himalayan Glaciers Not Melting

Submitted by Doug L. Hoffman on Fri, 11/13/2009 - 15:26

If global warming breaks up the gulf stream then England gets cooler!

 

[Old Rocks]

Well Screammy, why don't you explain how 10 of the warmest years on record have been in the last eleven years? You really call that cooling? Are you that big of a fool?

I don't comment on figments of people's imaginations, sorry. It is not getting hotter now, tough shit.

No, what you are saying is that you are too much a sheep to check out the talking points you are given. Probably to stupid, also.

Global ocean temperatures at warmest level since 1880

Global ocean temperatures rose to the warmest on record, according to data released last week by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). The combined average global land and ocean surface temperature for June was second-warmest since global recording-keeping began in 1880.

NOAA reports that both the Northern and Southern Hemispheres experienced record sea surface temperatures in June. Temepratures in the Northern Hemisphere were 1.17°F (0.65°C) above normal, exceeding the 2005 record by 0.05°C or 4.5 percent; while the Northern Hemisphere's increase of 0.99°F (0.55°C) exceeded the 1998 record of 0.92°F (0.51°C) or 7.6 percent

Met Office: Global temperature slowdown — not an end to climate change


Ranking (1–10) Year Temperature difference Ranking (11–20) Year Temperature difference
1 1998 0.515 °C 11 1995 0.276 °C
2 2005 0.479 °C 12 1999 0.262 °C
3 2003 0.457 °C 13 1990 0.248 °C
4 2002 0.455 °C 14 2000 0.238 °C
5 2004 0.432 °C 15 1991 0.197 °C
6 2006 0.422 °C 16 1983 0.187 °C
7 2007 0.403 °C 17 1987 0.167 °C
8 2001 0.400 °C 18 1994 0.163 °C
9 1997 0.355 °C 19 1988 0.163 °C
10 2008 0.314 °C 20 1981 0.130 °C

 

[Screaming Eagle]

Well Screammy, why don't you explain how 10 of the warmest years on record have been in the last eleven years? You really call that cooling? Are you that big of a fool?

I don't comment on figments of people's imaginations, sorry. It is not getting hotter now, tough shit.

No, what you are saying is that you are too much a sheep to check out the talking points you are given. Probably to stupid, also.

Global ocean temperatures at warmest level since 1880

Global ocean temperatures rose to the warmest on record, according to data released last week by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). The combined average global land and ocean surface temperature for June was second-warmest since global recording-keeping began in 1880.

NOAA reports that both the Northern and Southern Hemispheres experienced record sea surface temperatures in June. Temepratures in the Northern Hemisphere were 1.17°F (0.65°C) above normal, exceeding the 2005 record by 0.05°C or 4.5 percent; while the Northern Hemisphere's increase of 0.99°F (0.55°C) exceeded the 1998 record of 0.92°F (0.51°C) or 7.6 percent

Met Office: Global temperature slowdown — not an end to climate change


Ranking (1–10) Year Temperature difference Ranking (11–20) Year Temperature difference
1 1998 0.515 °C 11 1995 0.276 °C
2 2005 0.479 °C 12 1999 0.262 °C
3 2003 0.457 °C 13 1990 0.248 °C
4 2002 0.455 °C 14 2000 0.238 °C
5 2004 0.432 °C 15 1991 0.197 °C
6 2006 0.422 °C 16 1983 0.187 °C
7 2007 0.403 °C 17 1987 0.167 °C
8 2001 0.400 °C 18 1994 0.163 °C
9 1997 0.355 °C 19 1988 0.163 °C
10 2008 0.314 °C 20 1981 0.130 °C

If it is getting hotter, so what? Who cares? Will it be the end of the world or something?

 

[Screaming Eagle]

Oh, and no one gave me any talking points. if global warming is the end of the world or some shit like I see in all your global warming movies, why the hell are we still here? It's been hotter before. It was one degree warmer a thousand years ago than it is now. What is so bad about a warmer planet? Warmer, more lush, more plants, more arable land, more food, more better, what the hell is your problem? It's simple, you want Socialism just like every other stupid ass 'environmentalist'.

 

[Old Rocks]

I don't comment on figments of people's imaginations, sorry. It is not getting hotter now, tough shit.

No, what you are saying is that you are too much a sheep to check out the talking points you are given. Probably to stupid, also.

Global ocean temperatures at warmest level since 1880

Global ocean temperatures rose to the warmest on record, according to data released last week by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). The combined average global land and ocean surface temperature for June was second-warmest since global recording-keeping began in 1880.

NOAA reports that both the Northern and Southern Hemispheres experienced record sea surface temperatures in June. Temepratures in the Northern Hemisphere were 1.17°F (0.65°C) above normal, exceeding the 2005 record by 0.05°C or 4.5 percent; while the Northern Hemisphere's increase of 0.99°F (0.55°C) exceeded the 1998 record of 0.92°F (0.51°C) or 7.6 percent

Met Office: Global temperature slowdown — not an end to climate change


Ranking (1–10) Year Temperature difference Ranking (11–20) Year Temperature difference
1 1998 0.515 °C 11 1995 0.276 °C
2 2005 0.479 °C 12 1999 0.262 °C
3 2003 0.457 °C 13 1990 0.248 °C
4 2002 0.455 °C 14 2000 0.238 °C
5 2004 0.432 °C 15 1991 0.197 °C
6 2006 0.422 °C 16 1983 0.187 °C
7 2007 0.403 °C 17 1987 0.167 °C
8 2001 0.400 °C 18 1994 0.163 °C
9 1997 0.355 °C 19 1988 0.163 °C
10 2008 0.314 °C 20 1981 0.130 °C

If it is getting hotter, so what? Who cares? Will it be the end of the world or something?

That's better. No, of course it will not be the end of the world. We have had many periods of rapid increases in temperature in the past. They have always been periods of extinction, and climatic extremes.

The PT and PETM extinction periods are but two examples of these. I do not beleive that Homo Sap would become extinct, but we would see a very rapid contraction in population in any of the scenerious that we have seen in the geologic past.

For those interested in what happened in some of these periods, and the evidence for those events;

Methane catastrophe

 

[Old Rocks]

Oh, and no one gave me any talking points. if global warming is the end of the world or some shit like I see in all your global warming movies, why the hell are we still here? It's been hotter before. It was one degree warmer a thousand years ago than it is now. What is so bad about a warmer planet? Warmer, more lush, more plants, more arable land, more food, more better, what the hell is your problem? It's simple, you want Socialism just like every other stupid ass 'environmentalist'.[/QUOTE]

It is nearly one degree, Celsius, warmer now than 150 years ago. And the absolutely most optimistic increase from where we are right now to 2100, is 2 degrees C. MIT latest estimate is more than double that.

As stated before, in the past rapid heating events, we have seen major extinction events.

Now, from what you state, you are pretty damned ignorant of the effect of a rapid increase of even 3 degrees C.

And GHgs, the laws of physics and Chemistry, and Oceanography are not Communistic, Capitalistic, or any other created philosophy. They simply are. The fact that you and others try to politisize them, simply shows how weak your arguements are.