Global warming unequivocal

[editec]

The problem, as I see it is this..

Assuming that we have SNAFU'd the atmosphere, can we find a solution that begins to mitigate the problem that doesn't destroy our economy at the same time?

Remember that people are not going to die quietly in order to save the planet.

If people cannot buy oil or coal, they'll start burning wood, for example.

Wood for heat, FYI, is far more polluting than oil, coal or natural gas.

I'm already seeing this happening to some extent right here in Maine.

Maine, FYI, is the state most dependent on heating oil to heat our homes despite the fact that we live in a state which is heavily forested.

But the same thing could start happening (and probably already is) in the entire Northeast.

People will burn down the forests before they'll let their kids freeze.

 

[Chris]

The problem, as I see it is this..

Assuming that we have SNAFU'd the atmosphere, can we find a solution that begins to mitigate the problem that doesn't destroy our economy at the same time?

Remember that people are not going to die quietly in order to save the planet.

If people cannot buy oil or coal, they'll start burning wood, for example.

Wood for heat, FYI, is far more polluting than oil, coal or natural gas.

I'm already seeing this happening to some extent right here in Maine.

Maine, FYI, is the state most dependent on heating oil to heat our homes despite the fact that we live in a state which is heavily forested.

But the same thing could start happening (and probably already is) in the entire Northeast.

People will burn down the forests before they'll let their kids freeze.

We could find a solution easily. And clean energy will not "destroy our economy." The thing that destroyed our economy was Phil Gramm's deregulation of the financial markets and the tax cut and spend policies of Reagan and Bush.

We wasted $700 billion dollars on a hole in the desert called Iraq. Imagine if we had spent the same amount of money on clean energy?

 

[DiveCon]

The problem, as I see it is this..

Assuming that we have SNAFU'd the atmosphere, can we find a solution that begins to mitigate the problem that doesn't destroy our economy at the same time?

Remember that people are not going to die quietly in order to save the planet.

If people cannot buy oil or coal, they'll start burning wood, for example.

Wood for heat, FYI, is far more polluting than oil, coal or natural gas.

I'm already seeing this happening to some extent right here in Maine.

Maine, FYI, is the state most dependent on heating oil to heat our homes despite the fact that we live in a state which is heavily forested.

But the same thing could start happening (and probably already is) in the entire Northeast.

People will burn down the forests before they'll let their kids freeze.

We could find a solution easily. And clean energy will not "destroy our economy." The thing that destroyed our economy was Phil Gramm's deregulation of the financial markets and the tax cut and spend policies of Reagan and Bush.

We wasted $700 billion dollars on a hole in the desert called Iraq. Imagine if we had spent the same amount of money on clean energy?

you really need to find another song to sing, this one is tired, old, and massively WRONG

 

[elvis]

The problem, as I see it is this..

Assuming that we have SNAFU'd the atmosphere, can we find a solution that begins to mitigate the problem that doesn't destroy our economy at the same time?

Remember that people are not going to die quietly in order to save the planet.

If people cannot buy oil or coal, they'll start burning wood, for example.

Wood for heat, FYI, is far more polluting than oil, coal or natural gas.

I'm already seeing this happening to some extent right here in Maine.

Maine, FYI, is the state most dependent on heating oil to heat our homes despite the fact that we live in a state which is heavily forested.

But the same thing could start happening (and probably already is) in the entire Northeast.

People will burn down the forests before they'll let their kids freeze.

We could find a solution easily. And clean energy will not "destroy our economy." The thing that destroyed our economy was Phil Gramm's deregulation of the financial markets and the tax cut and spend policies of Reagan and Bush.

We wasted $700 billion dollars on a hole in the desert called Iraq. Imagine if we had spent the same amount of money on clean energy?

or imagine if we had spent it on giving the morons of the world like you lobotomies?

 

[DiveCon]

The problem, as I see it is this..

Assuming that we have SNAFU'd the atmosphere, can we find a solution that begins to mitigate the problem that doesn't destroy our economy at the same time?

Remember that people are not going to die quietly in order to save the planet.

If people cannot buy oil or coal, they'll start burning wood, for example.

Wood for heat, FYI, is far more polluting than oil, coal or natural gas.

I'm already seeing this happening to some extent right here in Maine.

Maine, FYI, is the state most dependent on heating oil to heat our homes despite the fact that we live in a state which is heavily forested.

But the same thing could start happening (and probably already is) in the entire Northeast.

People will burn down the forests before they'll let their kids freeze.

We could find a solution easily. And clean energy will not "destroy our economy." The thing that destroyed our economy was Phil Gramm's deregulation of the financial markets and the tax cut and spend policies of Reagan and Bush.

We wasted $700 billion dollars on a hole in the desert called Iraq. Imagine if we had spent the same amount of money on clean energy?

or imagine if we had spent it on giving the morons of the world like you lobotomies?

you mean he hasnt had one already?

 

[elvis]

We could find a solution easily. And clean energy will not "destroy our economy." The thing that destroyed our economy was Phil Gramm's deregulation of the financial markets and the tax cut and spend policies of Reagan and Bush.

We wasted $700 billion dollars on a hole in the desert called Iraq. Imagine if we had spent the same amount of money on clean energy?

or imagine if we had spent it on giving the morons of the world like you lobotomies?

you mean he hasnt had one already?

Yes, but unfortunately Dr. Gore performed it.

 

[DiveCon]

or imagine if we had spent it on giving the morons of the world like you lobotomies?

you mean he hasnt had one already?

Yes, but unfortunately Dr. Gore performed it.

ah, that explains it

 

[code1211]

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

Repeated ... again ...

So ... how does less than .01% of the atmosphere being changed cause such a drastic heat increase? Better, how do you ignore the influence of solar activity and plant CO2 consumption if your assumption is correct in the least? Then what about all the other possibilities you have ignored?

The Rise of CO2 & Warming

In this link, ignoring the beautiful theory for just a second, we see the way the world works. The conclusion that this author draws is that ours is an externally forced system. Do whatever you like with the CO2, something else will drive the change and CO2, us and everything else will simply go along for the ride.

Image:Milankovitch Variations.png - Global Warming Art

Image showing the pattern of deglaciation during the last five glacial terminations. In particular, note that temperature rise begins in advance of changes in carbon dioxide, which is consistent with an externally forced system.

 

[driveby]

As southeast Texans swelter under what local National Weather Service forecasters label a “death ridge,” the latest federal report on climate change indicates the abnormally high temperatures, oppressive humidity and dearth of rain may offer a taste of typical Houston summers to come. Issued as Congress debates how to reduce man-made greenhouse gas emissions that are heating the globe, the study by top government scientists, entitled “Global Climate Change Impacts in the United States,” warns that Americans are already feeling the effects of global warming, which will rapidly get worse.

As the report states, “global warming is unequivocal and primarily human-induced.” Climate-related changes are already being observed and include increases in heavy downpours, melting glaciers and lengthening growing seasons.

If the current run of days in the high 90s here seems intolerable, just wait. According to projections, by the last few decades of this century the number of days over 90 degrees in southeast Texas will increase from 75 to 165 days a year, making a Houston summer that much more daunting.

Still recovering from Hurricane Ike, Gulf Coast residents can expect rising sea levels that will endanger low-lying communities, roads, rail lines and vital oil and gas industry infrastructure. Gulf waters could rise three to four feet by 2100, pushing beaches back while bringing salt water much farther inland.

Tropical storms are likely to be more intense due to warming sea waters, while the southwest United States can look forward to prolonged droughts and water shortages in major urban areas.

Average U.S. temperatures have already risen 1.5 degrees in the past half century, and could range from two to 11 degrees more if current levels of carbon dioxide emissions are not lowered.

Latest U.S. climate study predicts sweltering future | Editorial | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

They don't even call it global warming anymore dummy ...........

 

[Chris]

Repeated ... again ...

So ... how does less than .01% of the atmosphere being changed cause such a drastic heat increase? Better, how do you ignore the influence of solar activity and plant CO2 consumption if your assumption is correct in the least? Then what about all the other possibilities you have ignored?

The Rise of CO2 & Warming

In this link, ignoring the beautiful theory for just a second, we see the way the world works. The conclusion that this author draws is that ours is an externally forced system. Do whatever you like with the CO2, something else will drive the change and CO2, us and everything else will simply go along for the ride.

Image:Milankovitch Variations.png - Global Warming Art

Image showing the pattern of deglaciation during the last five glacial terminations. In particular, note that temperature rise begins in advance of changes in carbon dioxide, which is consistent with an externally forced system.

The nice thing about CO2 forced warming is that it is not a theory. CO2 causes the earth to retain heat, and this was proven experimentally in 1859. Soon we will have DOUBLED the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, and we continue to add 7 billion tons of CO2 to the atmosphere every year. Every minute of every day, the influence of CO2 on our climate grows.

 

[Oddball]

The nice thing about CO2 forced warming is that it is not a theory. CO2 causes the earth to retain heat, and this was proven experimentally in 1859.

In a bell jar, not in the context of a dynamic ecosystem.

Your intellectual dishonesty is only exceeded by your inane droning of the same limited menu of talking points.

 

[DiveCon]

The Rise of CO2 & Warming

In this link, ignoring the beautiful theory for just a second, we see the way the world works. The conclusion that this author draws is that ours is an externally forced system. Do whatever you like with the CO2, something else will drive the change and CO2, us and everything else will simply go along for the ride.

Image:Milankovitch Variations.png - Global Warming Art

Image showing the pattern of deglaciation during the last five glacial terminations. In particular, note that temperature rise begins in advance of changes in carbon dioxide, which is consistent with an externally forced system.

The nice thing about CO2 forced warming is that it is not a theory. CO2 causes the earth to retain heat, and this was proven experimentally in 1859. Soon we will have DOUBLED the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, and we continue to add 7 billion tons of CO2 to the atmosphere every year. Every minute of every day, the influence of CO2 on our climate grows.

yet the CO2 is still rising and temps are dropping


blows a huge fucking hole in your theory, asshole

 

[Chris]

The nice thing about CO2 forced warming is that it is not a theory. CO2 causes the earth to retain heat, and this was proven experimentally in 1859.

In a bell jar, not in the context of a dynamic ecosystem.

Your intellectual dishonesty is only exceeded by your inane droning of the same limited menu of talking points.

Increasing atmospheric CO2 by 40% causes the earth to retain heat.

The physics of CO2 heat retention are no different in the atmosphere than a bell jar.

 

[DiveCon]

The nice thing about CO2 forced warming is that it is not a theory. CO2 causes the earth to retain heat, and this was proven experimentally in 1859.

In a bell jar, not in the context of a dynamic ecosystem.

Your intellectual dishonesty is only exceeded by your inane droning of the same limited menu of talking points.

Increasing atmospheric CO2 by 40% causes the earth to retain heat.

The physics of CO2 heat retention are no different in the atmosphere than a bell jar.

a bell jar is a much smaller enviroment
and, there are no heat sinks or plants to take the CO2 out
there are also no other factors involved because it is a closed enviroment

 

[Oddball]

The nice thing about CO2 forced warming is that it is not a theory. CO2 causes the earth to retain heat, and this was proven experimentally in 1859.

In a bell jar, not in the context of a dynamic ecosystem.

Your intellectual dishonesty is only exceeded by your inane droning of the same limited menu of talking points.

Increasing atmospheric CO2 by 40% causes the earth to retain heat.

The physics of CO2 heat retention are no different in the atmosphere than a bell jar.

With the exception of the millions of mitigating factors in an ever changing and adapting global ecosystem.

Have you ever had a Socratic thought in your life??

 

[Teo Smith]

The atmosphere of the Earth serves as a key factor in sustaining the planetary ecosystem. The thin layer of gases that envelops the Earth is held in place by the planet's gravity. Dry air consists of 78% nitrogen, 21% oxygen, 1% argon and other inert gases, carbon dioxide, etc.; but air also contains a variable amount of water vapor.