Global Warming and More Pesky Facts

Even after the 2009 hacked emails proving a global conspiracy with enough info to thoroughly discredited UN IPCC -it still adopted the position the Himalayan glaciers would be extinct by 2035. Except........oops, its growing. Those pesky facts just WILL not stop getting in line with the left's DESPERATE need to keep this scam alive.

Himalayan Glaciers Expand, Challenging IPCC's Credibility

USGS Release: Glaciers Retreating in Asia (8/25/2010 10:33:00 AM)

Many of Asia’s glaciers are retreating as a result of climate change.

This retreat impacts water supplies to millions of people, increases the likelihood of outburst floods that threaten life and property in nearby areas, and contributes to sea-level rise.

The U.S. Geological Survey, in collaboration with 39 international scientists, published a report on the status of glaciers throughout all of Asia, including Russia, China, India, Nepal, Bhutan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Georgia, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Kazakhstan.

“Of particular interest are the Himalaya, where glacier behavior impacts the quality of life of tens of millions of people,” said USGS scientist Jane Ferrigno. “Glaciers in the Himalaya are a major source of fresh water and supply meltwater to all of the rivers in northern India.”

As glaciers become smaller, water runoff decreases, which is especially important during the dry season when other water sources are limited. Climate change also brings warmer temperatures and earlier water runoff from glaciers, and this combined with spring and summer rains can result in flood conditions. The overall glacier retreat and additional melt can increase the amount of water dammed in the vicinity of a glacier, and the added pressure enhances the likelihood of disastrous outburst flooding.

While most glaciers in Asia are in recession, some glaciers have been found to advance. Some of the advancing glaciers are surge-type glaciers, which move forward more rapidly than average in a short period of time. The reason for this is being studied by glaciologists, and is likely due to unique and local condition

Glacier studies in each area started at different times depending on accessibility of glaciers and scientific interest. For example, the earliest description of glaciers in China was in 630 A.D., while studies in the Caucasus area of Russia began in the mid 1800s and modern studies in Nepal started in the 1950s.

The time period for retreat also differs among each glacier. In Bhutan, 66 glaciers have decreased 8.1 percent over the last 30 years. Rapid changes in the Himalaya is shown in India by the 12 percent retreat of Chhota Shigri Glacier during the last 13 years, as well as retreat of the Gangotri Glacier since 1780, with 12 percent shrinkage of the main stem in the last 16 years.

Glaciers in Russia and in the four republics once part of the Former Soviet Union have the largest area of glaciers in Asia, covering 30,478 square miles, which is about the size of South Carolina. The glaciers of China have the second largest area of glaciers in Asia, covering 22,944 square miles, which is about twice the size of Massachusetts. In Afghanistan, the more than 3,000 small mountain glaciers that occur in the Hindu Kush and Pamir mountains provide vital water resources to the region.
 
asian high mountain glacier melt « From a Glaciers Perspective

Himalaya-Pamir-Hindu Kush-Tien Shan-Quilian-Karakoram Range Glacier Change

Below is a list of individual glaciers in the Himalaya and high mountains of Central Asia that illustrate what is happening glacier by glacier. In addition to the individual sample glaciers we tie the individual glaciers to the large scale changes of approximately 10,000 glaciers that have been examined in repeat satellite image inventories. In the high mountains of Central Asia detailed glacier mapping inventories, from GLIMS: (Global Land Ice Measurements from Space), ICIMOD (International Centre for Integrated Mountain Development), ISRO ( Indian Space Research Organisation) and Chinese National Committee for International Association of Cryospheric Science (IACS) of thousands of glaciers have indicated increased strong thinning and area loss since 1990 throughout the region except the Karokoram. The inventories rely on repeat imagery from ASTER, Corona, Landsat, IKONOS and SPOT imagery. It is simply not possible to make observations
on this number of glaciers in the field.
 
Interesting how when one examines these claims, you see how they use a minor fact to create a major lie. The Asian Glaciers are retreating, with only a few minor exceptions. USGS and similiar agencies of other governments have done photographic surveys both from airplanes and satellites, and all have the same figures and conclusions.

asian high mountain glacier melt « From a Glaciers Perspective

In the Russian Altai mapping of 126 glaciers indicate a 19.7 % reduction in glacier area 1952-2004, with a sharp increase after 1997 (Shahgedanova et al., 2010). In Garhwal Himalaya, India, of 58 glaciers examined from 1990-2006 area loss was 6% (Bhambri et al, 2011). They also noted the number of glaciers increased from 69 (1968) to 75 (2006) due to the disintegration of ice bodies. Examination of 466 glaciers in the Chenab, Parbati and Baspa Basin, India found a 21% decline in glacier area from 1962 to 2004 (Kulkarni, 2007). Glacier fragmentation was also observed in this study, which for some fragments represents a loss of the accumulation area, which means the glacier will not survive (Pelto, 2010). The India glacier inventory (ISRO, 2010) identified glacier area losses and frontal change on 2190 glaciers and found an area loss rate of 3.3% per decade and 76% of glaciers retreating. In the Nepal Himalaya area loss of 3808 glaciers from 1963-2009 is nearly 20% (Bajracharya et al., 2011). The Langtang sub-basin is a small northeast-southwest elongated basin, tributary of Trishuli River north of Kathmandu and bordered with China to the north. The basin contained 192 km2 of glacier area in 1977, 171 km2 in 1988, 152 km2 in 2000 and 142 km2 in 2009. In 32 years from 1977 to 2009 the glacier area declined by 26% (Bajracharya et al., 2011). In the Khumbu region, Nepal volume losses increased from an average of 320 mm/yr 1962-2002 to 790 mm/yr from 2002-2007, including area losses at the highest elevation on the glaciers (Bolch et al., 2011). The high elevation loss is also noted in Tibet on Naimona’nyi Glacier which has not retained accumulation even at 6000 meters. This indicates a lack of high altitude snow-ice gain (Kehrwald et al, 2008). The Dudh Koshi basin is the largest glacierized basin in Nepal. It has 278 glaciers of which 40, amounting to 70% of the area, are valley-type. Almost all the glaciers are retreating at rates of 10–59 m/year and the rate has accelerated after 2001 (Bajracharya and Mool, 2009). In the Tien Shan Range over 1700 glaciers were examined from 1970-2000 glacier area decreased by 13%, from 2000-2007 glacier area shrank by 4% a faster rate than from 1970-2000 (Narama et al, 2010).
 
Granny says, "Twice the size o' Manhattan? - We all gonna die...
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Iceberg breaks off from Greenland's Petermann Glacier
19 July 2012 - An iceberg twice the size of Manhattan has broken away from the Petermann Glacier in northern Greenland.
Images from a Nasa satellite show the island breaking off a tongue of ice that extends at the end of the glacier. In 2010 an ice island measuring 250 square km (100 square miles) broke off the same glacier. The process that spawns icebergs - known as calving - is a natural, periodic process affecting all glaciers that terminate at the ocean. A previous calving event at the same glacier in 2010 created an iceberg twice the size of this one. Scientists have raised concerns in recent years about the Greenland ice shelf, saying that it is thinning extensively amid warm temperatures. No single event of this type can be ascribed to changes in the climate.

But some experts say they are surprised by the extent of the changes to the Petermann Glacier in recent years. "It is not a collapse but it is certainly a significant event," Eric Rignot from Nasa said in a statement. Some other observers have gone further. "It's dramatic. It's disturbing," University of Delaware's Andreas Muenchow told the Associated Press. "We have data for 150 years and we see changes that we have not seen before," Mr Muenchow added. The calving is not expected have an impact on sea levels as the ice was already floating.

Icebergs from the Petermann Glacier sometimes reach the waters off Newfoundland in Canada, posing a danger to shipping and navigation, according to the Canadian Ice Service. Floating "ice tongues" in front of land-based glaciers tend to block the ice flow headed for the sea. When ice chunks break loose, the land-based glaciers behind them often move more quickly, Mr Muenchow said. The accelerated movement of the Petermann Glacier after the 2010 break was "noticeable but not dramatic," he said.

BBC News - Iceberg breaks off from Greenland's Petermann Glacier
 
Global warming is man-made. The data is man-made and the crisis is man-made.
 
Even after the 2009 hacked emails proving a global conspiracy with enough info to thoroughly discredited UN IPCC -it still adopted the position the Himalayan glaciers would be extinct by 2035. Except........oops, its growing. Those pesky facts just WILL not stop getting in line with the left's DESPERATE need to keep this scam alive.

Wow! So you are a climate change denier? Pleased to meet you, sir. I knew of climate change deniers, years ago, but most of those changed tactics when evidence demonstrably demonstrated they were ignorant fools.

Yet, you hold out that there has been no warming over the last 150.. or so years???

As Arte Johnson said: Very Interesting

The dude from Laugh In???

Wow!, I have to delete the Denialist's links, to make a post?
 
frazzeledgear, what was the last science class that you passed? High school chemistry? Perhaps, you made it through a semester, or two, General University chemistry? Some physics, perhaps??? Differential calculus??? Demonstrate your ability, or, as the kids say, GTFO! You pretentious interloper.
 
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Even after the 2009 hacked emails proving a global conspiracy with enough info to thoroughly discredited UN IPCC -it still adopted the position the Himalayan glaciers would be extinct by 2035. Except........oops, its growing. Those pesky facts just WILL not stop getting in line with the left's DESPERATE need to keep this scam alive.

Wow! So you are a climate change denier? Pleased to meet you, sir. I knew of climate change deniers, years ago, but most of those changed tactics when evidence demonstrably demonstrated they were ignorant fools.

Yet, you hold out that there has been no warming over the last 150.. or so years???

As Arte Johnson said: Very Interesting

The dude from Laugh In???

Wow!, I have to delete the Denialist's links, to make a post?
 
Even after the 2009 hacked emails proving a global conspiracy with enough info to thoroughly discredited UN IPCC -it still adopted the position the Himalayan glaciers would be extinct by 2035. Except........oops, its growing. Those pesky facts just WILL not stop getting in line with the left's DESPERATE need to keep this scam alive.

Himalayan Glaciers Expand, Challenging IPCC's Credibility

USGS Release: Glaciers Retreating in Asia (8/25/2010 10:33:00 AM)

Many of Asia’s glaciers are retreating as a result of climate change.

This is true, Old Rocks, *many* are and *many are NOT. Indias own government insists that nothing is wrong with their glaciers, they are not disappearing.

Debate heats up over IPCC melting glaciers claim - environment - 08 January 2010 - New Scientist

In 1999 New Scientist reported a comment by the leading Indian glaciologist Syed Hasnain, who said in an email interview with this author that all the glaciers in the central and eastern Himalayas could disappear by 2035.

Hasnain, of Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi, who was then chairman of the International Commission on Snow and Ice's working group on Himalayan glaciology, has never repeated the prediction in a peer-reviewed journal. He now says the comment was "speculative".

India Together: Are Himalayan glaciers not melting? - 22 March 2012

22 March 2012 - One would have thought that the controversy over the wrong deadline, fixing 2035 as the date by which Himalayan glaciers would disappear due to global warming, in the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in its Fourth (and latest) Assessment Report in 2007, would have been set to rest after the IPCC admitted its mistake and withdrew the offending paragraph. But uncertainty still rears its head from time to time.

The latest to tread on this tricky terrain is a team of US scientists led by Professor John Wahr of the University of Colorado. Their findings, published in the authoritative journal Nature in February, claim that the mountain chain from the Himalayas to the Tibetan plateau has lost no ice over the past decade, contrary to scientific consensus. The study is said to be the first to survey all the world's ice caps with the use of satellites.

In the world as a whole, the contribution of melting ice caps and glaciers to a rise in the ocean level is much less than previously estimated, the study says. Apart from the two largest caps, which are Greenland and Antarctica, the reduction is largely due to the lack of ice loss in the Himalayas and other high peaks of Asia. It estimates that globally, between 443 and 629 billion tonnes of melt water are added to the oceans every year.

This will raise sea levels by around 1.5 mm a year, along with 2 mm a year caused by the oceans expanding with global warming. According to a Bristol University glaciologist, who was not part of the study, this means that sea level rise by 2100 will only be around 5 cm, while present estimates range from 30 cm to 1 metre. He terms this "a very small modification".

Prof Wahr hedges his findings by pointing out that their study analyses only eight years of data, from 2003-2010, which is insufficient to gauge even the following eight years, let along nine decades till the end of the century. What is more, the extremely variable nature of the monsoon, which is an Asian natural phenomenon but one badly affected by climate change, means that there can be a difference of billions of tonnes of ice forming from one year to another.

There is nothing but anecdotal evidence that glaciers are shrinking, certainly no scientific evidence that I have seen, though this whole fiasco shows how quick the IPC C is to reflexively use any obscure data no matter how shakey to try and support their AGW hysteria.

AGW is not a scientific theory; it is a secular version of religious faith.
 
A guy who is really good at spoofing libtards (Million Dollar Bonus) on ZeroHedge that he gets all kinds of rep negs because most people cant believe that he is faking it, lol.

Here is a couple of posts he made today on AGW, posing as a libtard:

I'm pleased to report that the pledge to make America carbon free by 2013
(the carbon free revolution) is making very good progress. Both President
Barack H. Obama and William Milton Romney have expressed their intentions to
manage the climate for optimal temperature for all ecosystems and maximum
prosperity. Every day, more and more studies are coming out that demonstrate
the statistical irrelevance of factors other than CO2 on the climate, much
to the frustration of anti-science libertarians. It has also been
demonstrated that renewable energies like wind farms and biofuels ARE in
fact economically viable, and that the government is perfectly capable of
financing these technologies, even if the pro-oil free market won't. ...

Did you not read my post!? Studies show that varying CO2 emissions has a
statistical effect on the climate that offsets the combined effect of all
other factors. If that were not the case, then promoting policies to reduce
CO2 emissions would be irresponsible, as the effects of the policies would
simply be eliminated by random fluctuations in the non-anthropogenic
factors. Progressives always DO THEIR RESEARCH, and only advocate policies
when they have studied the effects until there is no chance of failure.

Currently, top scientists are busy developing an objective measure of the
optimality of the climate. Once they have this measure, it is simply a
matter of varying CO2 emissions until the optimal climate is achieved for
all ecosystems across the planet
.


ROFLMAO!
 
NASA, IPCC and NOAA all lying about "Ocean acidification"

How do you trust them?
The oceans are acidic? Really? How acidic are they?...:
Ocean acidification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Between 1751 and 1994 surface ocean pH is estimated to have decreased from approximately 8.25 to 8.14,[3] representing an increase of almost 30% in "acidity" (H+ ion concentration) in the world's oceans.[4][5][6]
Nothing is an acid unless it has a pH lower than 7.0 !
pH = the negative decade Log of the Hydrogen Ion concentration in grams per Liter.
at pH 8.25 that is 10^(-8.25) = 5.62341325 × 10-9 =0.000 000 0056grams per liter
at pH 8.14 it is 10^(-8.14) = 7.2443596 × 10-9 =0.000 000 0072 grams per liter
and for anything to be acid it must be at least pH 6.9 (7=neutral)..: 10^(-6.9) = 1.25892541 × 10-7 =0.000000125 grams per liter
which is a 17 times higher Hydrogen ion concentration than what You and these "scientists" call acid !
Anybody can publish anything at Wikipedia that`s why it`s called "WIKI"pedia.
representing an increase of almost 30% in "acidity" (H+ ion concentration) in the world's oceans.[4][5][6]
Sure it`s not exactly a lie to say the Hydrogen Ion concentration increase from 5.6 NANO grams per Liter to 7.2 NANO grams per Liter is a ~30% "increase".
By the way 1 nano gram per liter is only 1 part per TRILLION.
Real science would never phrase a Hydrogem Ion increase of 1.6 parts per trillion as "The Oceans have become 30% more "ACIDIC" while to boot the ocean water is still BASIC at pH 8.14.!!!!
And if You read it what they actually did say:
surface ocean pH is estimated to have decreased from approximately 8.25 to 8.14,
Nothing at all has been said about the OCEAN...and it`s only an ESTIMATE not a real measurement based on facts.
By now You should know how "climate science" works !!

A Trillion Dollars looks like this


usd-1_trillion_dollars-1,000,000,000,000_USD-v2.jpg



So if a "climate scientist" reduces the dept by 1.6 parts per Trillion which is 1 Dollar and 60 cents from 1,000,000,000,000 to 999 999 999 998.4 Dollars he can tell You that he "improved" the debt situation by 30% and You believe it...?

 
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