Global Flood Happened: The Evidence IS Clear*

[CrusaderFrank]

Genetically we've been the same for about oh say 250,000 years. That means that there were people as smart as Einstein and Joe Biden way back then, so the idea that we've only discovered a practical way to harness electricity 60 years ago is patently absurd.

Also, every civilization from the Aztecs, to the Hebrews to the Chinese has a legend of a Great Flood. It's not too much of a stretch to imagine that the Flood actually happened and that we've been wiped down, but not totally out as a species several times in the recent past.

So, are you supporting the Great Flood theory or aren't you? What I learned in Sunday School is that God did it ONCE and then promised not to do it again. What's with this "several times" stuff?

We've been wiped down several times in the past. Floods, earthquakes, solar flares, impacts.

Several times.

Look at what smallpox did to the South and Meso American Indian civilizations: it destroyed whole civilizations and that's just less than 1,000 years ago.

Several times.

 

[G.T.]

Genetically we've been the same for about oh say 250,000 years. That means that there were people as smart as Einstein and Joe Biden way back then, so the idea that we've only discovered a practical way to harness electricity 60 years ago is patently absurd.

Also, every civilization from the Aztecs, to the Hebrews to the Chinese has a legend of a Great Flood. It's not too much of a stretch to imagine that the Flood actually happened and that we've been wiped down, but not totally out as a species several times in the recent past.

There are at LEAST 60 Genetic Mutations per Human from their parents.

Anatomically Modern Humans are thought to be between 100-200k; and even then, it's been recently discovered that the moderns mated with the neanderthals.

 

[Youwerecreated]

There are aquatic fossils on Everest.
Ya happy now ?

Not just Everest.

 

[Youwerecreated]

There are aquatic fossils on Everest.
Ya happy now ?

Bet there older than 6,000 years.

How would you know if no one was there to witness it ?

 

[Youwerecreated]

Plate tectonics

Which could of happened during the flood.

 

[Youwerecreated]

True. However,the murkin wouldn't understand. Remember . Earth is only six thousand years old since hE and hIm created her. Ya know,G-D the perfect one.

Do you need evidence of a young earth ?

 

[G.T.]

Plate tectonics

Which could of happened during the flood.

And could have happened independant of it

 

[konradv]

Genetically we've been the same for about oh say 250,000 years. That means that there were people as smart as Einstein and Joe Biden way back then, so the idea that we've only discovered a practical way to harness electricity 60 years ago is patently absurd.

Also, every civilization from the Aztecs, to the Hebrews to the Chinese has a legend of a Great Flood. It's not too much of a stretch to imagine that the Flood actually happened and that we've been wiped down, but not totally out as a species several times in the recent past.

So, are you supporting the Great Flood theory or aren't you? What I learned in Sunday School is that God did it ONCE and then promised not to do it again. What's with this "several times" stuff?

We've been wiped down several times in the past. Floods, earthquakes, solar flares, impacts.

Several times.

Look at what smallpox did to the South and Meso American Indian civilizations: it destroyed whole civilizations and that's just less than 1,000 years ago.

Several times.

So, your answer is, no "Great Flood", right? You seem to be hedging by mentioning earthquakes, solar flares and impacts, too. In your previous post you capitalized 'Flood' which would seem to indicate a singular event, rather than the "several times" you're talking about now. Sure there have been other dangers, but wasn't this thread about a flood?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Genetically we've been the same for about oh say 250,000 years. That means that there were people as smart as Einstein and Joe Biden way back then, so the idea that we've only discovered a practical way to harness electricity 60 years ago is patently absurd.

Also, every civilization from the Aztecs, to the Hebrews to the Chinese has a legend of a Great Flood. It's not too much of a stretch to imagine that the Flood actually happened and that we've been wiped down, but not totally out as a species several times in the recent past.

There are at LEAST 60 Genetic Mutations per Human from their parents.

Anatomically Modern Humans are thought to be between 100-200k; and even then, it's been recently discovered that the moderns mated with the neanderthals.

That's exactly my point: the humans running around 100-200K year ago are genetically similar to us.

If you know how and where to look, human history in that time has been a series of cataclysms.

 

[G.T.]

Genetically we've been the same for about oh say 250,000 years. That means that there were people as smart as Einstein and Joe Biden way back then, so the idea that we've only discovered a practical way to harness electricity 60 years ago is patently absurd.

Also, every civilization from the Aztecs, to the Hebrews to the Chinese has a legend of a Great Flood. It's not too much of a stretch to imagine that the Flood actually happened and that we've been wiped down, but not totally out as a species several times in the recent past.

There are at LEAST 60 Genetic Mutations per Human from their parents.

Anatomically Modern Humans are thought to be between 100-200k; and even then, it's been recently discovered that the moderns mated with the neanderthals.

That's exactly my point: the humans running around 100-200K year ago are genetically similar to us.

If you know how and where to look, human history in that time has been a series of cataclysms.

It's not a point, is the point. They're similar, they're not the same.

For Einstein to have existed, hundreds of years of research and theory had to have come first.

You don't just wake up and "Bing!" all of the knowledge is downloaded in all of our brains. Magic!

 

[konradv]

Plate tectonics

Which could of happened during the flood.

And could have happened independant of it

There is no way a flood of the duration mentioned in the Bible could have anything to do with plate tectonics. That's just ludicrous.

 

[Youwerecreated]

All your evidence and facts backing al of this stuff up is fascinating!

Ok evidence that shows a much younger earth then man says.

Introduction:
Contrary to what we've been told over and over by the evolution-believing mass media, the "scientific" establishment, and old-Earth (slow) Creationists (who don't want God to receive too much glory), there are, in fact, numerous geophysical and astronomical clocks which point to a young age for the earth, solar system, and universe. In fact, such young-earth indicators are in the majority. But because the scientific establishment and the media are biased in favor of evolution, and against the Creator, and because evolution requires an old earth to appear plausible, the public at large is rarely informed of the mounting evidence that contradicts the old earth dogma of evolution.

In the pages that follow we discuss 22 clocks, or indicators that the Earth and Universe are young. Or to say it another way: there is a LOT of scientific evidence that suggests the Earth is perhaps only thousands of years old, and that the 4.5 billion year age that evolution-believing "scientists" have LOUDLY proclaimed -- over and over -- is incorrect.

Time Clocks:
A "clock" is any geophysical or astronomical process that is changing at a constant rate. Clocks may be used to estimate how long a process has been going on for. All clocks (including radiometric ones) require the use of at least three assumptions. These are:

1. The rate of change has remained constant throughout the past.
2. The original conditions are known.
3. The process has not been altered by outside forces.

In each of these cases it is not possible to prove that the assumptions are true. For example flooding can greatly alter sedimentation rates, and with clocks over 5,000 years old, the original conditions cannot be known with certainty. Therefore scientists must make a guess with regard to what they believe the original conditions might have been. The shorter the time involved, the more likely that a specific process has been constant, and unaltered by external influences.

The following clocks point to a young earth, solar system, and universe. Taken together, they suggest that the earth is quite young -- probably less than 10,000 years old.

For undisputed evidence of a young earth read further.

The Age of the Earth: Evidence for a Young Earth, Young Earth Evidences.



Is There Really Scientific Evidence for a Young Earth?
For the past several decades, the question of the age of the Earth has been a very divisive one among Christians. Many people (known as "Young-Earth Creationists") believe that the only valid interpretation of the Bible indicates that the Earth is 10,000 years old or less, and they also claim to have scientific evidence that supports this view of the Earth. At the same time, there are many others who believe that scientific evidence overwhelmingly supports the claim that the Earth is about 4.6 billion years old, while the Universe as a whole is 10 to 20 billion years old. Many people in this latter category affirm the intimate involvement of God in this process of creation.

It is not the purpose of this paper to discuss theology, but this author firmly believes that a literal interpretation of Genesis allows for an Old-Earth view that is consistent with mainstream science. I say this only to emphasize that this paper is not intended to oppose any Christian beliefs, or to tear down anyone's faith. Rather, the purpose of this paper is to ensure that our Faith is based firmly on Truth, and not merely wishful thinking.

Through the ages, many people have denied certain facts of nature because those facts did not fit into the belief system that they desired to hold to. Both Christians and atheists are commonly guilty of this error. It should be obvious that any Christian who believes that God is the ordainer and framer of this world, and that God is the initiator of all logic and scientific thought, should never take such a position. The purpose of this paper is to show that Young-Earth Creationists, however unintentionally, have in fact done this. Regardless of what we may think the Bible says, the facts of nature are also ordained by God, and it is not right deny them or to misrepresent them in order to support any particular belief system. The purpose of this paper is to set forth the facts of nature in light of the claims made by Young-Earth Creationist leaders in hope that, by better understanding the facts of nature, we will also come to a better understanding of God's greater source of revelation - the words of the Bible.

Please read further.

Is There Really Scientific Evidence for a Young Earth?

 

[G.T.]

Which could of happened during the flood.

And could have happened independant of it

There is no way a flood of the duration mentioned in the Bible could have anything to do with plate tectonics. That's just ludicrous.

I know, plate tectonics was brought up as a means of explaining marine fossils on mountanous regions.

 

[Two Thumbs]

good lord

There is absolutely no evidence, at all, of a global flood.

The only thing that's global is the KT[?] boundary. [the line where dinos end]

Sorry, religion fail.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There are at LEAST 60 Genetic Mutations per Human from their parents.

Anatomically Modern Humans are thought to be between 100-200k; and even then, it's been recently discovered that the moderns mated with the neanderthals.

That's exactly my point: the humans running around 100-200K year ago are genetically similar to us.

If you know how and where to look, human history in that time has been a series of cataclysms.

It's not a point, is the point. They're similar, they're not the same.

For Einstein to have existed, hundreds of years of research and theory had to have come first.

You don't just wake up and "Bing!" all of the knowledge is downloaded in all of our brains. Magic!

Yet, there are human skeletons thousands of years in India that are still radioactive, and the Egyptians somehow light the interiors of their pyramids without fire and smoke.

 

[G.T.]

All your evidence and facts backing al of this stuff up is fascinating!

Ok evidence that shows a much younger earth then man says.

Introduction:
Contrary to what we've been told over and over by the evolution-believing mass media, the "scientific" establishment, and old-Earth (slow) Creationists (who don't want God to receive too much glory), there are, in fact, numerous geophysical and astronomical clocks which point to a young age for the earth, solar system, and universe. In fact, such young-earth indicators are in the majority. But because the scientific establishment and the media are biased in favor of evolution, and against the Creator, and because evolution requires an old earth to appear plausible, the public at large is rarely informed of the mounting evidence that contradicts the old earth dogma of evolution.

In the pages that follow we discuss 22 clocks, or indicators that the Earth and Universe are young. Or to say it another way: there is a LOT of scientific evidence that suggests the Earth is perhaps only thousands of years old, and that the 4.5 billion year age that evolution-believing "scientists" have LOUDLY proclaimed -- over and over -- is incorrect.

Time Clocks:
A "clock" is any geophysical or astronomical process that is changing at a constant rate. Clocks may be used to estimate how long a process has been going on for. All clocks (including radiometric ones) require the use of at least three assumptions. These are:

1. The rate of change has remained constant throughout the past.
2. The original conditions are known.
3. The process has not been altered by outside forces.

In each of these cases it is not possible to prove that the assumptions are true. For example flooding can greatly alter sedimentation rates, and with clocks over 5,000 years old, the original conditions cannot be known with certainty. Therefore scientists must make a guess with regard to what they believe the original conditions might have been. The shorter the time involved, the more likely that a specific process has been constant, and unaltered by external influences.

The following clocks point to a young earth, solar system, and universe. Taken together, they suggest that the earth is quite young -- probably less than 10,000 years old.

For undisputed evidence of a young earth read further.

The Age of the Earth: Evidence for a Young Earth, Young Earth Evidences.



Is There Really Scientific Evidence for a Young Earth?
For the past several decades, the question of the age of the Earth has been a very divisive one among Christians. Many people (known as "Young-Earth Creationists") believe that the only valid interpretation of the Bible indicates that the Earth is 10,000 years old or less, and they also claim to have scientific evidence that supports this view of the Earth. At the same time, there are many others who believe that scientific evidence overwhelmingly supports the claim that the Earth is about 4.6 billion years old, while the Universe as a whole is 10 to 20 billion years old. Many people in this latter category affirm the intimate involvement of God in this process of creation.

It is not the purpose of this paper to discuss theology, but this author firmly believes that a literal interpretation of Genesis allows for an Old-Earth view that is consistent with mainstream science. I say this only to emphasize that this paper is not intended to oppose any Christian beliefs, or to tear down anyone's faith. Rather, the purpose of this paper is to ensure that our Faith is based firmly on Truth, and not merely wishful thinking.

Through the ages, many people have denied certain facts of nature because those facts did not fit into the belief system that they desired to hold to. Both Christians and atheists are commonly guilty of this error. It should be obvious that any Christian who believes that God is the ordainer and framer of this world, and that God is the initiator of all logic and scientific thought, should never take such a position. The purpose of this paper is to show that Young-Earth Creationists, however unintentionally, have in fact done this. Regardless of what we may think the Bible says, the facts of nature are also ordained by God, and it is not right deny them or to misrepresent them in order to support any particular belief system. The purpose of this paper is to set forth the facts of nature in light of the claims made by Young-Earth Creationist leaders in hope that, by better understanding the facts of nature, we will also come to a better understanding of God's greater source of revelation - the words of the Bible.

Please read further.

Is There Really Scientific Evidence for a Young Earth?

The sad part is, you can read all of this until you're blue in the face - but there's much more credible and peer reviewed evidence that points in the other direction and since you have an agenda, you take the lesser credible evidence because it suits said agenda. That's not rational.

 

[G.T.]

That's exactly my point: the humans running around 100-200K year ago are genetically similar to us.

If you know how and where to look, human history in that time has been a series of cataclysms.

It's not a point, is the point. They're similar, they're not the same.

For Einstein to have existed, hundreds of years of research and theory had to have come first.

You don't just wake up and "Bing!" all of the knowledge is downloaded in all of our brains. Magic!

Yet, there are human skeletons thousands of years in India that are still radioactive, and the Egyptians somehow light the interiors of their pyramids without fire and smoke.

Yes, there's a world-wide conspiracy to keep this information hush so that






so that...





so tha....



stfu

 

[konradv]

And could have happened independant of it

There is no way a flood of the duration mentioned in the Bible could have anything to do with plate tectonics. That's just ludicrous.

I know, plate tectonics was brought up as a means of explaining marine fossils on mountanous regions.

Was really responding to the claim that it did have an effect. Backing you up not knocking your post.

 

[Dr.Drock]

There are at LEAST 60 Genetic Mutations per Human from their parents.

Anatomically Modern Humans are thought to be between 100-200k; and even then, it's been recently discovered that the moderns mated with the neanderthals.

That's exactly my point: the humans running around 100-200K year ago are genetically similar to us.

If you know how and where to look, human history in that time has been a series of cataclysms.

It's not a point, is the point. They're similar, they're not the same.

For Einstein to have existed, hundreds of years of research and theory had to have come first.

You don't just wake up and "Bing!" all of the knowledge is downloaded in all of our brains. Magic!

You mean Einstein had to expand on knowledge accrued over thousands of years of learning by other individuals?


Sounds like hippy, liberal heathen talk to me.

 

[G.T.]

That's exactly my point: the humans running around 100-200K year ago are genetically similar to us.

If you know how and where to look, human history in that time has been a series of cataclysms.

It's not a point, is the point. They're similar, they're not the same.

For Einstein to have existed, hundreds of years of research and theory had to have come first.

You don't just wake up and "Bing!" all of the knowledge is downloaded in all of our brains. Magic!

You mean Einstein had to expand on knowledge accrued over thousands of years of learning by other individuals?


Sounds like hippy, liberal heathen talk to me.

No those silly hippy sacreligious liberals want you to believe that only 60 years ago were our brains smawt enough to understand and we all of a sudden snapped into being smawt!

Conspiracy!

Main stream media!

War on Religion!