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I remember reading this report not long after it came out. Yet there are still fruitcakes out there that seem to read a predicted cooling into it. LOL
http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/nas-1975.html
The 1975 US National Academy of Sciences/National Research Council Report
UNDERSTANDING CLIMATE CHANGE: A program for action
Review by W M Connolley
This little-read report appears to serve as a useful summary of the state of opinion at the time (aside: I was prompted to read this by someone who thought the report supported the ice-age-was-predicted threoy [1]: as all too often happens, the report when actually read does no such thing...), which opinion was (my summary) "we can't predict climate yet, we need more research".
I know of only two places where this report is referred to in "current" debate (you know others? good: mail me: [email protected]): the page from the Cato Institute (discussed on the main page, the main quote from which is "There was even a report by the National Research Council of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences reaching its usual ambiguous conclusions"), and in a page from sepp [remember, children, a link from this page does not imply endorsement of the contents...], an excerpt from which is below:
1975 = not long ago?
not to change the subject,but i read in the paper today that an old fart escaped from some nursing home in Portland Oregon clutching a Globe yelling something about it getting hotter by the minute and ill show those basterds.....had soiled diapers too....anyone hear about that?......
yes, how does he know so many nuts, and better yet why does he like them so much?
Both the Greenland and Antarctic Caps melting at accelerating rates. North Polar sea ice gone before midcentury. Clatrate outgassing already starting in the Arctic Ocean. Outgassing of CO2 and CH4 far greater than predicted in the permafrost.
But not to worry, scientifically illiterate doofeses on an internet message board know that it is all a "Lib'
b
BU'ral" conspiracy
Both the Greenland and Antarctic Caps melting at accelerating rates. North Polar sea ice gone before midcentury. Clatrate outgassing already starting in the Arctic Ocean. Outgassing of CO2 and CH4 far greater than predicted in the permafrost.
But not to worry, scientifically illiterate doofeses on an internet message board know that it is all a "Lib'
b
BU'ral" conspiracy
did Nancy change your depends before you left?.....just askin....
Ame®icano;1671817 said:I remember reading this report not long after it came out. Yet there are still fruitcakes out there that seem to read a predicted cooling into it. LOL
http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/nas-1975.html
If you remember THAT, you sure remember experts predictions that "global cooling" will create so much ice at the earth poles, and once ice breaks it will create wave big enough to wipe out coastal cities. Since cooling didn't really happen, the same scientists came up with the warming theory, where if we do nothing, will reach a fever pitch and well have flooding of all the coastal cities, the American heartland will turn into a desert, and most of the earths species will become extinct.
Since it wasn't cooling, then it wasn't warming, it gotta be cooling again... And all that was planted by "scientists" that are not able to predict tomorrow's weather accurately, much less decades in advance. Meanwhile, some wannabe scientists are cashing in... Hello Al.
Experts as in Von Daniken? Man, are you full of shit. No scientists predicted that at all. The PNAS article says it all.
I don't pretend to be any type of expert on Global warming or global cooling. But I do have to ask.......
How did we get the last Ice age? Or the one before that?
How did all that Ice melt? I know it couldn't have been dinosaur farts. And no one was driving around in any SUV's.
Climate change I can live with. We adjust to it. Mans fault? I doubt it.
Ame®icano;1671936 said:Ame®icano;1671817 said:If you remember THAT, you sure remember experts predictions that "global cooling" will create so much ice at the earth poles, and once ice breaks it will create wave big enough to wipe out coastal cities. Since cooling didn't really happen, the same scientists came up with the warming theory, where if we do nothing, will reach a fever pitch and we’ll have flooding of all the coastal cities, the American heartland will turn into a desert, and most of the earth’s species will become extinct.
Since it wasn't cooling, then it wasn't warming, it gotta be cooling again... And all that was planted by "scientists" that are not able to predict tomorrow's weather accurately, much less decades in advance. Meanwhile, some wannabe scientists are cashing in... Hello Al.
Experts as in Von Daniken? Man, are you full of shit. No scientists predicted that at all. The PNAS article says it all.
I didn't say it was in your article. I reffered to climate experts from that era.
Check out what scientists predicted back in 1970s era.
The Cooling World - Newsweek
Ame®icano;1671936 said:Experts as in Von Daniken? Man, are you full of shit. No scientists predicted that at all. The PNAS article says it all.
I didn't say it was in your article. I reffered to climate experts from that era.
Check out what scientists predicted back in 1970s era.
The Cooling World - Newsweek
Are you shitting me!!!!!!!!!! I quoted from a peer reviewed scientific article and you throw out Newsweek? Come on, I didn't even think you were that ignorant. Go to the scientific journals of that period and show me where a significant number of articles were predicting a quick and imminent ice age.
Ame®icano;1671936 said:I didn't say it was in your article. I reffered to climate experts from that era.
Check out what scientists predicted back in 1970s era.
The Cooling World - Newsweek
Are you shitting me!!!!!!!!!! I quoted from a peer reviewed scientific article and you throw out Newsweek? Come on, I didn't even think you were that ignorant. Go to the scientific journals of that period and show me where a significant number of articles were predicting a quick and imminent ice age.
Newsweek's sources are the same as yours.
Both the Greenland and Antarctic Caps melting at accelerating rates. North Polar sea ice gone before midcentury. Clatrate outgassing already starting in the Arctic Ocean. Outgassing of CO2 and CH4 far greater than predicted in the permafrost.
But not to worry, scientifically illiterate doofeses on an internet message board know that it is all a "Lib'
b
BU'ral" conspiracy
did Nancy change your depends before you left?.....just askin....
Have you ever said anything that could be considered intelligent? Just asking.
1975 = not long ago?
not to change the subject,but i read in the paper today that an old fart escaped from some nursing home in Portland Oregon clutching a Globe yelling something about it getting hotter by the minute and ill show those basterds.....had soiled diapers too....anyone hear about that?......
Can't debate the subject, old boy? Too ignorant and dishonest?
"Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly ... . As a scientist I remain skeptical." -- Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a Ph.D. in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called "among the most pre-eminent scientists of the last 100 years."
Warming fears are the "worst scientific scandal in the history ... . When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists." -- U.N. IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning Ph.D. environmental physical chemist.
"The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn't listen to others. It doesn't have open minds ... . I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists." -- Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the U.N.-supported International Year of the Planet.
"The models and forecasts of the U.N. IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity." -- Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico.
"It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don't buy into anthropogenic global warming." -- U.S. Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
"Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapor and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will." -- Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, New Zealand.
"After reading [U.N. IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet." -- Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an associate editor of Monthly Weather Review.
"For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" -- Geologist Dr. David Gee, the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer-reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.
"Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp ... . Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact." -- Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch U.N. IPCC committee.
"Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined." -- Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh, Pa.
"Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense ... . The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning." -- Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.
"CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another ... . Every scientist knows this, but it doesn't pay to say so ... . Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver's seat and developing nations walking barefoot." -- Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.
"The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds." -- Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.
Zoom, you claim that there is no consensus. Yet every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University states that global warming is occuring, and that the primary cause is anthropogenic GHGs.
Monkton has a degree in education, not in the sciences. And most of what he states reflects a basic ignorance of science, and what scientists are stating today.
Zoom, you claim that there is no consensus. Yet every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University states that global warming is occuring, and that the primary cause is anthropogenic GHGs.
Monkton has a degree in education, not in the sciences. And most of what he states reflects a basic ignorance of science, and what scientists are stating today.
Um ... there's that lie again ... we already went over this, no "every" ... not by a long shot, just the ones you agree with.
