Global cooling or global warming?

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    In 1970s, there was "global cooling" consensus among scientists that triggered governments to do something about it or we'll live in the new ice age. One of those alarmist predicted that 1 billion people will die in a coming new ice age by 2020. Today, there is consensus among scientists about "global warming", and the same guy who predicted "then global cooling", urges immediate passage of the Obama administration's proposed cap-and-trade legislation to control carbon emissions before it is too late to save the planet from "global warming".

    Today, that guy, John Holdren, is working in the White House as Obama's science czar.

    Well, OK... 40 years ago was global cooling, then 10 years ago it changed to global warming. But, its getting bit confusing, since all those "global warming" screamers, are really looking very stupid these days.

    What happened to global warming?
     
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    Climate change is the new global warming . . . er cooling . . . . er, global climate fluctuation. Oh hell, it's all bunk. Excellent article.
     
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    Another liberal/marxist nut from Obama, how does Obama know so many radical nuts?

    Obama's science czar suggested compulsory abortion, sterilization | Washington Examiner

     
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    Newsweek had an article about global cooling in the '70s. By then, the majority of scientists were already worried about global warming.

    What 1970s science said about global cooling

    ABSTRACT
    Climate science as we know it today did
    not exist in the 1960s and 1970s. The integrated
    enterprise embodied in the Nobel Prize winning
    work of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
    Change existed then as separate threads of
    research pursued by independent groups of
    scientists. Atmospheric chemists and modelers
    grappled with the measurement and
    understanding of carbon dioxide and other
    atmospheric gases while geologists and
    paleoclimate researchers tried to understand when
    Earth slipped into and out of ice ages, and why.
    An enduring popular myth suggests that in the
    1970s the climate science community was
    predicting “global cooling” and an “imminent” ice
    age, an observation frequently used by those who
    would undermine what climate scientists say today
    about the prospect of global warming.
    A review of the literature suggests that, to the
    contrary, greenhouse warming even then
    dominated scientists’ thinking about the most
    important forces shaping Earth’s climate on
    human time scales. More importantly than
    showing the falsehood of the myth, this review
    shows the important way scientists of the time built
    the foundation on which the cohesiv
     
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    Mdn2000, ol' fruitcake, stick to the subject. Save your other trash for a suitable thread.
     
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    Since none of scientist's prediction couldn't hold a water, they came up with the term "climate change" so they can basically make headlines playing both sides of the debate. If it warms is our fault, if it cools it's our fault. The only "fast" they stick with is that either cooling or warming is caused by CO2.

    Even that carbonate balloon is slowly deflating, government is not giving up, they keep telling us that there is no tomorrow. You had to know they didn't even believe their own line of CO2 bull, otherwise we would have the "scientists" giving us a more definitive answer than "very likely" after decades of research. No one that I know of was willing to attach their reputation to a "definitely".

    In both cases, government is stepping in with intention to “save us”, and we know as well as they know, that only way they can save us from ourselves is to take money from us. This scheme is nothing more than another money grab by the UN and the greenies by painting the earth as a victim and man as the villain.
     
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    GlobalClimateCoolerWarmering.

    Gotta cover all the bases.
     
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    I remember reading this report not long after it came out. Yet there are still fruitcakes out there that seem to read a predicted cooling into it. LOL

    http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/nas-1975.html

    The 1975 US National Academy of Sciences/National Research Council Report
    UNDERSTANDING CLIMATE CHANGE: A program for action
    Review by W M Connolley
    This little-read report appears to serve as a useful summary of the state of opinion at the time (aside: I was prompted to read this by someone who thought the report supported the ice-age-was-predicted threoy [1]: as all too often happens, the report when actually read does no such thing...), which opinion was (my summary) "we can't predict climate yet, we need more research".
    I know of only two places where this report is referred to in "current" debate (you know others? good: mail me: wmconnolley@gmail.com): the page from the Cato Institute (discussed on the main page, the main quote from which is "There was even a report by the National Research Council of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences reaching its usual ambiguous conclusions"), and in a page from sepp [remember, children, a link from this page does not imply endorsement of the contents...], an excerpt from which is below:
     
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    1975 = not long ago? :eusa_eh:
     
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    yes, how does he know so many nuts, and better yet why does he like them so much?
     

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