Glenn Beck declares: The Census is the Equivalent of Slavery

[☭proletarian☭]

I own a business. I create the jobs that pay the taxes that makes a fireman's job, the teacher's job, the policeman's job, the construction worker's job possible.

You have no manager?

Are you the only business i the nation, state, or town in which you live?

Once again I ask you whether your profits are more important than justice.

I pay the employment taxes (employers half) for my employees that makes the entire social safety net possible. Without entrepreneurial people like me, people that take risks, the entire system fails.

And without your workers, you fail. Should every American labourer skip out on jury duty because they are the backbone of the entire system- since there is no you without the proletarians who labour under you?

You're not the only petty bourgeoisie in America any more than your employees are the only employees in the nation. You taking some time to put the existence of a just society before personal profits will not destroy the economic system (or what's left of it).

Teachers, cops, and fireman are valuable jobs, but they do not really create anything

Really?

Teachers create the entire nation. They mold the minds that will inherit and control this nation. There is no job more important than caring for, rearing, and educating the nation's youth. Teacher's, babysitters, and others entrusted with that responsibility are the most important persons in any society.

Fireman don't create anything? They aren't crucial to creating an environment where you can go to work confident that your home and pets will be protected should a fire break out? Police aren't crucial for creating and keeping a just and peaceable society? You've shown that you create only capital at this point. Capital is not necessary for society's existence and societies existed for thousands of years (millions, if we count our ancestors) without capital in such a form.

They are dependent upon taxpayers for their existence.

Privatized firefighting services were a disaster. You claim they depend on you, but at the same time you depends on the teachers to form the future of your country and on the police (along with the rest of the justice system) to keep you safe so that you can go about your business and create your capital confident that you will not be robbed or that, if you are, the guilty will be hunted down and tried.

If all I cared about was myself I could stop working today, sell the buildings I own, move to a tax haven (like the Caymans) and never have to work another day in my life.

Those who achieve wealth are oft possessed by it and never satisfied.

Instead I chose to be significant, not just successful.

To be truly significant, you'd dedicate the time to ensuring a just society and not only recognize the important of those teachers but seek a way to aid them. The effect and significance would be far greater than any amount of capital your might create for yourself and the labourers in your company.

There are more important things in life than money.

Like justice.

I will continue to throw jury summons' and census forms into the trash and never lose a wink of sleep over it.

Again you prove that you value capital over justice. For all your attempts at justification it is, by all signs, greed alone that motivates your actions.

 

[Zander]

I own a business. I create the jobs that pay the taxes that makes a fireman's job, the teacher's job, the policeman's job, the construction worker's job possible.

You have no manager?

Are you the only business i the nation, state, or town in which you live?

Once again I ask you whether your profits are more important than justice.

I pay the employment taxes (employers half) for my employees that makes the entire social safety net possible. Without entrepreneurial people like me, people that take risks, the entire system fails.

And without your workers, you fail. Should every American labourer skip out on jury duty because they are the backbone of the entire system- since there is no you without the proletarians who labour under you?

You're not the only petty bourgeoisie in America any more than your employees are the only employees in the nation. You taking some time to put the existence of a just society before personal profits will not destroy the economic system (or what's left of it).


Really?

Teachers create the entire nation. They mold the minds that will inherit and control this nation. There is no job more important than caring for, rearing, and educating the nation's youth. Teacher's, babysitters, and others entrusted with that responsibility are the most important persons in any society.

Fireman don't create anything? They aren't crucial to creating an environment where you can go to work confident that your home and pets will be protected should a fire break out? Police aren't crucial for creating and keeping a just and peaceable society? You've shown that you create only capital at this point. Capital is not necessary for society's existence and societies existed for thousands of years (millions, if we count our ancestors) without capital in such a form.



Privatized firefighting services were a disaster. You claim they depend on you, but at the same time you depends on the teachers to form the future of your country and on the police (along with the rest of the justice system) to keep you safe so that you can go about your business and create your capital confident that you will not be robbed or that, if you are, the guilty will be hunted down and tried.


Those who achieve wealth are oft possessed by it and never satisfied.


To be truly significant, you'd dedicate the time to ensuring a just society and not only recognize the important of those teachers but seek a way to aid them. The effect and significance would be far greater than any amount of capital your might create for yourself and the labourers in your company.

There are more important things in life than money.

Like justice.

I will continue to throw jury summons' and census forms into the trash and never lose a wink of sleep over it.

Again you prove that you value capital over justice. For all your attempts at justification it is, by all signs, greed alone that motivates your actions.

Yes, I am a capitalist and proud of it. We live in a capitalist society. Disagree with capitalism? Feel free to move to Cuba, it is a "worker's paradise" there.

Regarding teachers, you think they are great. Good for you. They are paid exactly what the market will bear for their services, very little. A DVD can teach a kid to read. No teacher required.

By the way, you don't know jack-squat about what I do to be "significant"- so get off your high horse.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

We live in a capitalist society.

Actually, it's a socialist* country with a mixed economy.

Disagree with capitalism? Feel free to move to Cuba, it is a "worker's paradise" there.

Cuba is a totalitarian dictatorship which more closely resembles the dream of the religious right than that of communists.

Regarding teachers, you think they are great. Good for you. They are paid exactly what the market will bear for their services, very little. A DVD can teach a kid to read. No teacher required.

So you think we need no educators because we can magically conjure DVDs to teach our youth everything they'll need to know to become contributing members of society? Or are you just being dishonest by pretending that youth go to school for so many years just to learn to read?

By the way, you don't know jack-squat about what I do to be "significant"- so get off your high horse.

Based on your own words, you do nothing but raise capital and believe that profit is more important than a just society. Why do you keep evading and getting so defensive instead of addressing the points made?

*See definition 3

 

[Zander]

We live in a capitalist society.

Actually, it's a socialist* country with a mixed economy.

Disagree with capitalism? Feel free to move to Cuba, it is a "worker's paradise" there.

Cuba is a totalitarian dictatorship which more closely resembles the dream of the religious right than that of communists.

Regarding teachers, you think they are great. Good for you. They are paid exactly what the market will bear for their services, very little. A DVD can teach a kid to read. No teacher required.

So you think we need no educators because we can magically conjure DVDs to teach our youth everything they'll need to know to become contributing members of society? Or are you just being dishonest by pretending that youth go to school for so many years just to learn to read?

By the way, you don't know jack-squat about what I do to be "significant"- so get off your high horse.

Based on your own words, you do nothing but raise capital and believe that profit is more important than a just society. Why do you keep evading and getting so defensive instead of addressing the points made?

*See definition 3

You are all over the board here comrade. Try to stay on topic. It isn't that heavy.

I am not filling out the census forms - I threw them in the trash. I don't go to jury duty either- those "mandatory" summons hit the trash can just as quickly as the "mandatory" Census forms did. I have given my reasons for both and they are tangentially related. There is really nothing else to add. I pay more in taxes each year than most people earn in a year. I provide employment for a large group of people because of my ingenuity, my risk taking, my experience, and my intelligence. Therefore, my time is more valuable to society doing what I am good at- rather than serving on a jury to decide a personal injury case. You are free to call me selfish, capitalist, or uninterested in a "just" society. I don't really care what you think of me. It isn't personal, I don't really care what anyone on the internet thinks of me.

 

[strollingbones]

How am I screwing myself?

The congressional redistricting is based on the outcome of the census. Federal funding for infrastructure is based on the outcome of the census. The census is CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED.

So how am I screwing myself?

by making the cost of the census higher..they will find you ...your form is registered and they will send people out....to see why you didnt return it..all that costs money paid for by you the taxpayer

 

[Zander]

The congressional redistricting is based on the outcome of the census. Federal funding for infrastructure is based on the outcome of the census. The census is CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED.

So how am I screwing myself?

by making the cost of the census higher..they will find you ...your form is registered and they will send people out....to see why you didnt return it..all that costs money paid for by you the taxpayer

Isn't that a good thing? Making it cost more? Think of the jobs I am saving or creating!!

Like I said earlier here - I don't care. I am not sending in the forms under any circumstance - I can't! They have already been shredded and recycled - someone is drinking a cup of coffee out of them as I speak!! !

It is my personal protest over government intrusion in our lives. Am I being silly? Maybe. Silly or not- they ain't gettin' those forms or the answers from me!!!

 

[bodecea]

Good. The less people counted in red states the better.

I agree.

 

[Father Time]

So how am I screwing myself?

by making the cost of the census higher..they will find you ...your form is registered and they will send people out....to see why you didnt return it..all that costs money paid for by you the taxpayer

Isn't that a good thing? Making it cost more? Think of the jobs I am saving or creating!!

Like I said earlier here - I don't care. I am not sending in the forms under any circumstance - I can't! They have already been shredded and recycled - someone is drinking a cup of coffee out of them as I speak!! !

It is my personal protest over government intrusion in our lives. Am I being silly? Maybe. Silly or not- they ain't gettin' those forms or the answers from me!!!

So how is the government wanting to count the number of people or the number of whites/Christians/females etc. intruding into your life?

I agree it intrudes too much into our lives but I don't think the census is part of that.

 

[Zander]

by making the cost of the census higher..they will find you ...your form is registered and they will send people out....to see why you didnt return it..all that costs money paid for by you the taxpayer

Isn't that a good thing? Making it cost more? Think of the jobs I am saving or creating!!

Like I said earlier here - I don't care. I am not sending in the forms under any circumstance - I can't! They have already been shredded and recycled - someone is drinking a cup of coffee out of them as I speak!! !

It is my personal protest over government intrusion in our lives. Am I being silly? Maybe. Silly or not- they ain't gettin' those forms or the answers from me!!!

So how is the government wanting to count the number of people or the number of whites/Christians/females etc. intruding into your life?

I agree it intrudes too much into our lives but I don't think the census is part of that.

They don't need to know my race, or my sex, or anything else beyond the number of people in my household. They already know that number - it is on my income tax forms.