Giving a Liberal Prick to "lovableliberal"

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    Giving a Liberal Prick to "lovableliberal"

    Definitions are important. Agreed upon definitions make for less bullshit. :eusa_angel:

    Liberal - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

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    Liberal - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

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    Prick - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

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    Prick - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
     
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    lovableliberal: Defining Liberal?
    "I've tried to come up with a list of things that defines me as a liberal - and hopefully encompasses the rest of us.... Let me know what you think!!"

    First, can things really define a liberal or anyone else? Liberal as a label? Liberalism as a philosophy or an ideology?

    note: no definition or explanation linked to is meant to be the definitive or ultimate source
     
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    Distinctions with a difference. I suggest lovableliberal is more of a progressive than a liberal. By defining himself as a 'far left liberal' in his video, he acknowledges and/or implies most liberals are to the right of what he thinks he is.

    lovableliberal states that people he knows, people whom he considers to be liberals, are afraid of being demonized as 'liberal' so they often call themselves 'independents'

    what fine or broad distinctions do I make between a liberal, an independent, and a progressive? does lovableliberal see distinctions there?

    I suggest no true liberal would ever describe themselves as being a far left anything, let alone a far left liberal. To do so is far too restrictive and oppressive.

    I think a liberal can lean left on some issues, even far left on some issues, but I do not think being a liberal is synonymous with being a leftist, or automatically favoring the left in a left versus right scenario. No true liberal would be that close minded from the get go. Being a liberal does not demand rigid orthodoxy. As a matter of fact liberalism rejects orthodoxy. Just as having an open mind does not demand having an empty one, having a liberal mind does not mean outright rejection of anything and everything labeled as being on or coming from, the right.

    Right versus left is not conservatism versus liberalism, it's right versus left.

    on another note: Progressives and populists both come from conservative and liberal camps.

    It appears lovableliberal has allowed others to define him. He has bought into the narratives framed from those who would lump leftists, liberals, progressives, and socialists, and Democrats into a single unit to be measured out and attacked. He's not as independent as he imagines himself to be, even as he rejects the label of independent. He fancies himself an independent thinker. He's wrong. He's a sheep in a far left costume.

    but hopefully he's teachable.

    :cool:
    dD

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    lovableliberal on his youtube page:
    Progressivism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia :lol:

    Like I said "Progressives and populists both come from conservative and liberal camps." I should have added Republicans and Democrats to the mix, but I wasn't speaking to political parties since historically the political parties in the USA have not always been as polarized as it looks today. The GOP is more so, but the Democratic Party has been invaded by many leftists and progressives lately.

    I actually remember voting fro liberal Republicans while being a registered Democrat. :eusa_angel:

    Progressivism for it's own good is as evil as conservatism for it's own sake. Rigid ideology is toxic to our system of government. Our politics can live with it, but governing requires more than ideology.
     

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