Giving a Liberal Prick to "lovableliberal"

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Giving a Liberal Prick to "lovableliberal"

Definitions are important. Agreed upon definitions make for less bullshit.

1) lib·er·al
adjective \ˈli-b(ə-)rəl\
Definition of LIBERAL

1a: of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts <liberal education>

b archaic: of or befitting a man of free birth
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2a: marked by generosity : openhanded <a liberal giver>

b: given or provided in a generous and openhanded way <a liberal meal>

c: ample, full
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3 obsolete: lacking moral restraint : licentious
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4: not literal or strict : loose <a liberal translation>
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5: broad-minded; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms
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6a: of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism

b capitalized: of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives

Liberal - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

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2) lib·er·al
noun \&#712;li-b(&#601;-)r&#601;l\
Definition of LIBERAL: a person who is liberal: as

a: one who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways

b capitalized: a member or supporter of a liberal political party (see 1liberal)

c: an advocate or adherent of liberalism especially in individual rights

Liberal - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

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1) prick
noun \&#712;prik\
Definition of PRICK

1: a mark or shallow hole made by a pointed instrument

2a: a pointed instrument or weapon
b: a sharp projecting organ or part

3: an instance of pricking or the sensation of being pricked: as
a: a nagging or sharp feeling of remorse, regret, or sorrow
b: a slight sharply localized discomfort <the prick of a needle>

4 usually vulgar: penis

5 usually vulgar: a spiteful or contemptible man often having some authority

Prick - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

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2) prick
verb
Definition of PRICK
transitive verb

1: to pierce slightly with a sharp point

2: to affect with anguish, grief, or remorse <doubt began to prick him &#8212; Philip Hale>

3: to ride, guide, or urge on with or as if with spurs : goad

4: to mark, distinguish, or note by means of a small mark

5: to trace or outline with punctures

6: to remove (a young seedling) from the seedbed to another suitable for further growth &#8212;usually used with out

7: to cause to be or stand erect <a dog pricking its ears>

intransitive verb

1a: to prick something or cause a pricking sensation
b: to feel discomfort as if from being pricked

2a: to urge a horse with the spur
b: to ride fast

3: thrust

4: to become directed upward : point
&#8212; prick up one's ears: to listen intently

Prick - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

 

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lovableliberal: Defining Liberal?
"I've tried to come up with a list of things that defines me as a liberal - and hopefully encompasses the rest of us.... Let me know what you think!!"

First, can things really define a liberal or anyone else? Liberal as a label? Liberalism as a philosophy or an ideology?

Label - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

la·bel
noun \&#712;l&#257;-b&#601;l\
Definition of LABEL

5a (1): a brand of commercial recordings issued under a usually trademarked name (2): a recording so issued (3): a company issuing such recordings

b: the brand name of a retail store selling clothing, a clothing manufacturer, or a fashion designer

Philosophy vs Ideology

There are very fundamental differences between philosophy and ideology. Ideology refers to a set of beliefs, doctrines that back a certain social institution or a particular organization. Philosophy refers to looking at life in a pragmatic manner and attempting to understand why life is as it is and the principles governing behind it.

Ideology expresses dissatisfaction with the current state and aspires to be some future state whereas philosophy tries to understand the world in its current state. In other words, ideology is aimed at changing the world whereas philosophy is aimed at seeking the truth.

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Difference Between Philosophy And Ideology | Difference Between | Philosophy And Ideology

note: no definition or explanation linked to is meant to be the definitive or ultimate source

 

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Distinctions with a difference. I suggest lovableliberal is more of a progressive than a liberal. By defining himself as a 'far left liberal' in his video, he acknowledges and/or implies most liberals are to the right of what he thinks he is.

lovableliberal states that people he knows, people whom he considers to be liberals, are afraid of being demonized as 'liberal' so they often call themselves 'independents'

what fine or broad distinctions do I make between a liberal, an independent, and a progressive? does lovableliberal see distinctions there?

I suggest no true liberal would ever describe themselves as being a far left anything, let alone a far left liberal. To do so is far too restrictive and oppressive.

I think a liberal can lean left on some issues, even far left on some issues, but I do not think being a liberal is synonymous with being a leftist, or automatically favoring the left in a left versus right scenario. No true liberal would be that close minded from the get go. Being a liberal does not demand rigid orthodoxy. As a matter of fact liberalism rejects orthodoxy. Just as having an open mind does not demand having an empty one, having a liberal mind does not mean outright rejection of anything and everything labeled as being on or coming from, the right.

Right versus left is not conservatism versus liberalism, it's right versus left.

on another note: Progressives and populists both come from conservative and liberal camps.

It appears lovableliberal has allowed others to define him. He has bought into the narratives framed from those who would lump leftists, liberals, progressives, and socialists, and Democrats into a single unit to be measured out and attacked. He's not as independent as he imagines himself to be, even as he rejects the label of independent. He fancies himself an independent thinker. He's wrong. He's a sheep in a far left costume.

but hopefully he's teachable.


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lovableliberal on his youtube page:

"I want to get past the political games and look at the theoretical framework and the its feasibility in contemporary american politics."

the above reply in response to this on his page from GoSuMonSter:

"It's good to discuss liberalism as we see it today. Of course we stray a bit from the original meaning of the word, thus Progressivism was born. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts, not only on liberalism in general, but on creating a framework where we can communicate online in some way and organize with the goal of subverting the current Democrat and Republican political parties. Potentially reforming the Democratic party to head towards a more progressive ideology."

Progressivism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Like I said "Progressives and populists both come from conservative and liberal camps." I should have added Republicans and Democrats to the mix, but I wasn't speaking to political parties since historically the political parties in the USA have not always been as polarized as it looks today. The GOP is more so, but the Democratic Party has been invaded by many leftists and progressives lately.

I actually remember voting fro liberal Republicans while being a registered Democrat.

Progressivism for it's own good is as evil as conservatism for it's own sake. Rigid ideology is toxic to our system of government. Our politics can live with it, but governing requires more than ideology.