Give 'em Everything They Want...

[Sallow]

This is some advice to my "right wing" buds and Tea Partiers. From a libertarian that understands both sides.. And also a warning to my leftist buds as well..

Here's a new plan. Give Pelosi/Obama/Reid EVERYTHING they want. Tax the literal crap out the rich. Destroy Soc Sec by making it unrecognizable as FDR's program. Go ahead and penalize corporations and businesses with the biggest govt clubs you can grab. Please PASS an onerous energy policy that saps more of our economy.. Defend that nebulous health care monstrosity that nobody can figure out. Stimulate the economy into a gigantic orgasmic orgy of success.

They've got a year and half left. WHY OPPOSE the agenda? If WE (including me) believe that their policies would be a disaster -- let it play out. That's the scientific method. Give the American people a demonstration of the results. After all -- they DID have a mandate to govern.. And the American people legally mandated that choice.

You KNOW what the result would be. Complete and utter destruction of Progressive/Socialist agenda in the United States for decades -- maybe ever.

You would probably find out that the DEM party itself would put the brakes on. Like they did on the wars and Gitmo and any number of different fakey hissy-fits that have been thrown. It would end the postering and see if they REALLY TRUELY believe in what they constantly whine about.

About 18 months of hell til a change can occur.. But man -- it's a century of progress for this nation if you did it....

What will happen is the economy will turn around. It's the same thing that happened with Clinton..and even Reagan..after he raised taxes. Reagan's first term had pretty bad economic numbers as well.

 

[Charles_Main]

the right.

they want to cut regulations at every turn and no matter how much mess it causes they ask for more

The Left.

They want to pass Regulations at every turn and no matter how much mess it causes they ask for more.

 

[Sallow]

the right.

they want to cut regulations at every turn and no matter how much mess it causes they ask for more

The Left.

They want to pass Regulations at every turn and no matter how much mess it causes they ask for more.

Basically yeah.

I wish business was capable of self-regulation, but quite frankly?

They aren't.

 

[flacaltenn]

This is some advice to my "right wing" buds and Tea Partiers. From a libertarian that understands both sides.. And also a warning to my leftist buds as well..

Here's a new plan. Give Pelosi/Obama/Reid EVERYTHING they want. Tax the literal crap out the rich. Destroy Soc Sec by making it unrecognizable as FDR's program. Go ahead and penalize corporations and businesses with the biggest govt clubs you can grab. Please PASS an onerous energy policy that saps more of our economy.. Defend that nebulous health care monstrosity that nobody can figure out. Stimulate the economy into a gigantic orgasmic orgy of success.

They've got a year and half left. WHY OPPOSE the agenda? If WE (including me) believe that their policies would be a disaster -- let it play out. That's the scientific method. Give the American people a demonstration of the results. After all -- they DID have a mandate to govern.. And the American people legally mandated that choice.

You KNOW what the result would be. Complete and utter destruction of Progressive/Socialist agenda in the United States for decades -- maybe ever.

You would probably find out that the DEM party itself would put the brakes on. Like they did on the wars and Gitmo and any number of different fakey hissy-fits that have been thrown. It would end the postering and see if they REALLY TRUELY believe in what they constantly whine about.

About 18 months of hell til a change can occur.. But man -- it's a century of progress for this nation if you did it....

What will happen is the economy will turn around. It's the same thing that happened with Clinton..and even Reagan..after he raised taxes. Reagan's first term had pretty bad economic numbers as well.

Now THAT'S the confidence I was looking for.. Thanks for stepping up... Totally appropriate response.

Except for the fact of comparing Clinton to leftist extreme in charge of the party today..
That part was just desparate..

Glad you like my plan...

 

[flacaltenn]

No, rolling over and taking it further up the ass doesn't sound like a good plan at all.

Appreciate the optics on that. But I'm sure Sun Tzu would approve of this plan.

Because by opposing them, you are giving the enemy cover to claim that their plans WOULD have worked -- if the mean evil opposition didn't block them. Thus propagating another generation of useless typing on USMB..

Want to DESTROY the far left wingers in charge? Let them charge fully into the field of battle, cut off the exits, and watch the flames.. No more stupid threads on TParty racism or 'the rich'.. For the rest of your blissful lives..

And the actual damage CAN'T be done in just 1.5 years... Only the certainty that it was the entirely wrong actions and directions..

That's one way to spin it...however, keeping in mind that the right or left wingers do not decide elections any more, the middle could be swayed to oppose those who sat by and did "nothing". Politics aside, it's really not the American nature to tape our mouths shut and sit on our hands...it can be a curse and a blessing.

Pondering Sherry's concern about the great "muddled middle" punishing the right for not stopping a full out leftist revolution...

It's actually a teachable moment for "the middle" if they expect to be saved by one of the "extreme wings" that they work so hard to discredit and ridicule. That and the concept of voting for one of the extremes, giving them the total keys to castle, and then expecting that wholesale moderation and compromise would ensue..

Blame the Repubs for "not stopping it"?? -- possible. With the power reality the way it is -- it's like blaming the punter for losing the game..

 

[Charles_Main]

When has unfettered markets worked in human history?

When have we ever had them?

 

[Charles_Main]

the right.

they want to cut regulations at every turn and no matter how much mess it causes they ask for more

The Left.

They want to pass Regulations at every turn and no matter how much mess it causes they ask for more.

Basically yeah.

I wish business was capable of self-regulation, but quite frankly?

They aren't.

With Everything there must be balance. Over Regulation is as bad as under Regulation. Period.

 

[Charles_Main]

This is some advice to my "right wing" buds and Tea Partiers. From a libertarian that understands both sides.. And also a warning to my leftist buds as well..

Here's a new plan. Give Pelosi/Obama/Reid EVERYTHING they want. Tax the literal crap out the rich. Destroy Soc Sec by making it unrecognizable as FDR's program. Go ahead and penalize corporations and businesses with the biggest govt clubs you can grab. Please PASS an onerous energy policy that saps more of our economy.. Defend that nebulous health care monstrosity that nobody can figure out. Stimulate the economy into a gigantic orgasmic orgy of success.

They've got a year and half left. WHY OPPOSE the agenda? If WE (including me) believe that their policies would be a disaster -- let it play out. That's the scientific method. Give the American people a demonstration of the results. After all -- they DID have a mandate to govern.. And the American people legally mandated that choice.

You KNOW what the result would be. Complete and utter destruction of Progressive/Socialist agenda in the United States for decades -- maybe ever.

You would probably find out that the DEM party itself would put the brakes on. Like they did on the wars and Gitmo and any number of different fakey hissy-fits that have been thrown. It would end the postering and see if they REALLY TRUELY believe in what they constantly whine about.

About 18 months of hell til a change can occur.. But man -- it's a century of progress for this nation if you did it....

I am sorry but that is sheer Lunacy. The American people swept Republicans into Power in the House, and narrowed the Gap in the Senate in 2010. They also Swept Republicans into power at the state level.

They did not do this, because they wanted Republicans to give Obama Everything he wants. It happened to stop what he wanted. We can not afford more Failed Stimulus, and Government Expansion.

It is 1000 times harder to dismantle Government Bureaucracy. Anything Obama establishes is going to be around for a long time, Sucking us Dry.

Republicans in the House need to do what they were elected to do. Block Obama's Big spending, Far left agenda, and force him to Compromise or get Nothing. Period.

 

[flacaltenn]

Charles Main:

I am sorry but that is sheer Lunacy. The American people swept Republicans into Power in the House, and narrowed the Gap in the Senate in 2010. They also Swept Republicans into power at the state level.

They did not do this, because they wanted Republicans to give Obama Everything he wants. It happened to stop what he wanted. We can not afford more Failed Stimulus, and Government Expansion.

It is 1000 times harder to dismantle Government Bureaucracy. Anything Obama establishes is going to be around for a long time, Sucking us Dry.

Republicans in the House need to do what they were elected to do. Block Obama's Big spending, Far left agenda, and force him to Compromise or get Nothing. Period.

Sheer lunacy? No -- creative warfare. There is no chance of reversing anything for 18 months anyway.
By playing a blocking role -- it gives the DEMS a cause to run on in 2012. It also gives them an excuse for failure.

The same ole crappy insurrection and partisian sniping will be around for the next decade. Give 'em ample room to enact their agenda, and you have an easier election cycle, perhaps a total mandate (because you guys maybe unfortunately are the only OTHER game in town) and no 8 years of whining about how the racist Republicans obstructed the great socialist revolution..

Total victory --- or more of the same finger pointing?

18 months of suffering either way... Be more peaceful around here in 2012.. (crickets chirping)..

 

[Charles_Main]

Charles Main:

I am sorry but that is sheer Lunacy. The American people swept Republicans into Power in the House, and narrowed the Gap in the Senate in 2010. They also Swept Republicans into power at the state level.

They did not do this, because they wanted Republicans to give Obama Everything he wants. It happened to stop what he wanted. We can not afford more Failed Stimulus, and Government Expansion.

It is 1000 times harder to dismantle Government Bureaucracy. Anything Obama establishes is going to be around for a long time, Sucking us Dry.

Republicans in the House need to do what they were elected to do. Block Obama's Big spending, Far left agenda, and force him to Compromise or get Nothing. Period.

Sheer lunacy? No -- creative warfare. There is no chance of reversing anything for 18 months anyway.
By playing a blocking role -- it gives the DEMS a cause to run on in 2012. It also gives them an excuse for failure.

The same ole crappy insurrection and partisian sniping will be around for the next decade. Give 'em ample room to enact their agenda, and you have an easier election cycle, perhaps a total mandate (because you guys maybe unfortunately are the only OTHER game in town) and no 8 years of whining about how the racist Republicans obstructed the great socialist revolution..

Total victory --- or more of the same finger pointing?

18 months of suffering either way... Be more peaceful around here in 2012.. (crickets chirping)..

Who said anything about Reversing anything. What you are saying is Pass what he wants now. No way, The Republicans were given the house to stop any more of Obama's Agenda. It is sure insanity to suggest they give him what he wants. That is not why they were given the house.

 

[yidnar]

What’s sad and telling about this thread is that it is indicative of the great partisan divide, of the unwillingness to compromise and work to find viable solutions to our Nation’s problems, and of the dogmatic zealotry predicated on a scorched earth philosophy.

To advocate the ‘destruction’ of the United States as a means to destroy one’s enemies is inane.

Give neither party ‘what it wants’ if it’s determined to be detrimental to the country; compel lawmakers to take a pragmatic approach to serve the needs of the American people, not partisan interests alone.

so you agree with the OP ??

 

[yidnar]

This is some advice to my "right wing" buds and Tea Partiers. From a libertarian that understands both sides.. And also a warning to my leftist buds as well..

Here's a new plan. Give Pelosi/Obama/Reid EVERYTHING they want. Tax the literal crap out the rich. Destroy Soc Sec by making it unrecognizable as FDR's program. Go ahead and penalize corporations and businesses with the biggest govt clubs you can grab. Please PASS an onerous energy policy that saps more of our economy.. Defend that nebulous health care monstrosity that nobody can figure out. Stimulate the economy into a gigantic orgasmic orgy of success.

They've got a year and half left. WHY OPPOSE the agenda? If WE (including me) believe that their policies would be a disaster -- let it play out. That's the scientific method. Give the American people a demonstration of the results. After all -- they DID have a mandate to govern.. And the American people legally mandated that choice.

You KNOW what the result would be. Complete and utter destruction of Progressive/Socialist agenda in the United States for decades -- maybe ever.

You would probably find out that the DEM party itself would put the brakes on. Like they did on the wars and Gitmo and any number of different fakey hissy-fits that have been thrown. It would end the postering and see if they REALLY TRUELY believe in what they constantly whine about.

About 18 months of hell til a change can occur.. But man -- it's a century of progress for this nation if you did it....

What will happen is the economy will turn around. It's the same thing that happened with Clinton..and even Reagan..after he raised taxes. Reagan's first term had pretty bad economic numbers as well.

please explain how raising taxes helps the economy !! we have heard the conservative explanations on why raising taxes will hurt the economy ,so please grace us with your brilliant insight and tell us why raising taxes is good for business !!

 

[FireFly]

The right.

they want to cut regulations at every turn and no matter how much mess it causes they ask for more

The Obamacrats are creating the Great Depression regulatory environment. "Two men walking down the street at the start of 1933 — one with a gold coin in his pocket and the other with a bottle of whiskey in his coat — the man with the coin would be an upstanding citizen and the man with the whiskey would be the outlaw. A year later, precisely the reverse was true."

 

[Moonglow]

The right.

they want to cut regulations at every turn and no matter how much mess it causes they ask for more

The Obamacrats are creating the Great Depression regulatory environment. "Two men walking down the street at the start of 1933 — one with a gold coin in his pocket and the other with a bottle of whiskey in his coat — the man with the coin would be an upstanding citizen and the man with the whiskey would be the outlaw. A year later, precisely the reverse was true."

well that was an undistorted retort.

 

[Lakhota]

What does Pelosi have to do with this?

 

[Sallow]

When has unfettered markets worked in human history?

When have we ever had them?

Before the New Deal.

 

[bripat9643]

When has unfettered markets worked in human history?

When have we ever had them?

Before the New Deal.

Wrong. Have you ever heard of the Federal Reserve? Reconstruction Finance Corp? Smoot-Hawley? The massive income tax increase of 1932?

 

[Sallow]

When have we ever had them?

Before the New Deal.

Wrong. Have you ever heard of the Federal Reserve? Reconstruction Finance Corp? Smoot-Hawley? The massive income tax increase of 1932?

And?

Massive?



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Get back to me.

 

[bripat9643]

Wrong. Have you ever heard of the Federal Reserve? Reconstruction Finance Corp? Smoot-Hawley? The massive income tax increase of 1932?

And?

Massive?

Yes, massive. The top rate was increased from 25% to 67%

Visit "The Breakers"..

The Breakers | Newport Mansions

Get back to me.

What does the existence of a mansion built in the 19th century prove?

 

[Sallow]

Wrong. Have you ever heard of the Federal Reserve? Reconstruction Finance Corp? Smoot-Hawley? The massive income tax increase of 1932?

And?

Massive?

Yes, massive. the top rate was increased from 25% to 67%

Visit "The Breakers"..

The Breakers | Newport Mansions

Get back to me.

What does the existence of a mansion built in the 19th century prove?

Sorry..it's really hard to argue with someone who wants to install a monarchy in the United States.