giuliani & Ukraine Associate Spying On Yovanovitch

[colfax_m]

You claim Shokin was in the process of opening an investigation into Burisma or Biden.

How do you know?

documents and first hand testimony,,,

What documents? Who’s testimony?

its been posted dozens of times over the last 3 months,,,
FFS you guys need to start reading post when theyre posted,,,,

Shokin has no credibility. The “documents” are printed out copies of his testimony, which lacks credibility.

So the sum total of evidence is a dude who was fired for being corrupt (or incompetent, or both) who says he totally was going to do a thing. The only people who believe that guy are those who desperately want to believe him. Everyone else knows he’s a joke with no evidence.

So what you are saying is believe the people with second hand, third hand, or more information, than the person this was directly about?

I believe people with good reputations. That ain’t Shokin.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

documents and first hand testimony,,,

What documents? Who’s testimony?

its been posted dozens of times over the last 3 months,,,
FFS you guys need to start reading post when theyre posted,,,,

Shokin has no credibility. The “documents” are printed out copies of his testimony, which lacks credibility.

So the sum total of evidence is a dude who was fired for being corrupt (or incompetent, or both) who says he totally was going to do a thing. The only people who believe that guy are those who desperately want to believe him. Everyone else knows he’s a joke with no evidence.

So what you are saying is believe the people with second hand, third hand, or more information, than the person this was directly about?

I believe people with good reputations. That ain’t Shokin.

You believe people with good reputations, and so you believe the Democrats?????

 

[colfax_m]

What documents? Who’s testimony?

its been posted dozens of times over the last 3 months,,,
FFS you guys need to start reading post when theyre posted,,,,

Shokin has no credibility. The “documents” are printed out copies of his testimony, which lacks credibility.

So the sum total of evidence is a dude who was fired for being corrupt (or incompetent, or both) who says he totally was going to do a thing. The only people who believe that guy are those who desperately want to believe him. Everyone else knows he’s a joke with no evidence.

So what you are saying is believe the people with second hand, third hand, or more information, than the person this was directly about?

I believe people with good reputations. That ain’t Shokin.

You believe people with good reputations, and so you believe the Democrats?????

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This isn’t a partisan issue.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

its been posted dozens of times over the last 3 months,,,
FFS you guys need to start reading post when theyre posted,,,,

Shokin has no credibility. The “documents” are printed out copies of his testimony, which lacks credibility.

So the sum total of evidence is a dude who was fired for being corrupt (or incompetent, or both) who says he totally was going to do a thing. The only people who believe that guy are those who desperately want to believe him. Everyone else knows he’s a joke with no evidence.

So what you are saying is believe the people with second hand, third hand, or more information, than the person this was directly about?

I believe people with good reputations. That ain’t Shokin.

You believe people with good reputations, and so you believe the Democrats?????

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This isn’t a partisan issue.

You have two corrupt people here: Shokin and the Democrats. I choose to believe Shokin, because this nonsense that Joe wanted Shokin fired because he was not looking into the corruption of a company that was paying his son 83K a year is beyond ridiculous. Why would Joe want that, and why was it so urgent that he only gave them hours to do it?

It makes much more sense that Shokin was investigating Hunter, and Joe had him fired for that reason; to help protect his son.

 

[colfax_m]

Shokin has no credibility. The “documents” are printed out copies of his testimony, which lacks credibility.

So the sum total of evidence is a dude who was fired for being corrupt (or incompetent, or both) who says he totally was going to do a thing. The only people who believe that guy are those who desperately want to believe him. Everyone else knows he’s a joke with no evidence.

So what you are saying is believe the people with second hand, third hand, or more information, than the person this was directly about?

I believe people with good reputations. That ain’t Shokin.

You believe people with good reputations, and so you believe the Democrats?????

View attachment 300750

This isn’t a partisan issue.

You have two corrupt people here: Shokin and the Democrats. I choose to believe Shokin, because this nonsense that Joe wanted Shokin fired because he was not looking into the corruption of a company that was paying his son 83K a year is beyond ridiculous. Why would Joe want that, and why was it so urgent that he only gave them hours to do it?

It makes much more sense that Shokin was investigating Hunter, and Joe had him fired for that reason; to help protect his son.

The reason that people wanted Shokin fired went way beyond what you quoted. Burisma was only one data point. The fact of the matter is that Shokin wasn't doing jack shit as Prosecutor General. He wasn't prosecuting any corruption, not just Burisma. Shokin's own prosecutors were found with wads of cash and diamonds in a raid on their houses. Anyone investigating internal corruption was forced out.

The prosecutor's office in Ukraine needed to be cleaned out if Ukraine was going to turn into a functional democracy. Shokin wasn't doing it.

You also need to take the blinders off. This wasn't Joe Biden making decisions unilaterally. The concerns about Shokin came from the ground up in the State Department, from many of our allies and from the people of Ukraine. The idea that all these people wanted Shokin fired to protect Hunter Biden is what is truly ridiculous.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So what you are saying is believe the people with second hand, third hand, or more information, than the person this was directly about?

I believe people with good reputations. That ain’t Shokin.

You believe people with good reputations, and so you believe the Democrats?????

View attachment 300750

This isn’t a partisan issue.

You have two corrupt people here: Shokin and the Democrats. I choose to believe Shokin, because this nonsense that Joe wanted Shokin fired because he was not looking into the corruption of a company that was paying his son 83K a year is beyond ridiculous. Why would Joe want that, and why was it so urgent that he only gave them hours to do it?

It makes much more sense that Shokin was investigating Hunter, and Joe had him fired for that reason; to help protect his son.

The reason that people wanted Shokin fired went way beyond what you quoted. Burisma was only one data point. The fact of the matter is that Shokin wasn't doing jack shit as Prosecutor General. He wasn't prosecuting any corruption, not just Burisma. Shokin's own prosecutors were found with wads of cash and diamonds in a raid on their houses. Anyone investigating internal corruption was forced out.

The prosecutor's office in Ukraine needed to be cleaned out if Ukraine was going to turn into a functional democracy. Shokin wasn't doing it.

You also need to take the blinders off. This wasn't Joe Biden making decisions unilaterally. The concerns about Shokin came from the ground up in the State Department, from many of our allies and from the people of Ukraine. The idea that all these people wanted Shokin fired to protect Hunter Biden is what is truly ridiculous.

So what you're saying is that Ukraine needed Joe to come there and threaten them to fire Shokin? Do you know how non-sensical that claim is? If Ukraine wanted him fired, they didn't need the US VP to pressure them to do it. Plus the fact that who their prosecutor was, was not in the US interests.

 

[Faun]

Documents show that Giuliani & his friends spying on Marie Yovanovitch in Ukraine. Since giuliani was there as trump's lawyer working for trump, he was spying on her for trump. In his campaign to get her fired. She left Ukraine because she was told she had to leave immediately for personal security reasons.

This is bad. These documents show so such nefarious actions by giuliani and trump. We have a president who spies on people only so they can pull off their corrupt schemes.

They even knew if her computer was turned on or not. They comment about how you can buy "anything" in Ukraine and talk about people willing to help if you/we like the price.

This is an American citizen with our own government spying on her and possibly allowing something to happen to her.

This is disgusting. People need to be held accountable for this.

Explosive new documents involving Rudy Giuliani and a Ukrainian associate show the shocking extent of Trump's pressure campaign

And...who gives a shit.
It was ok to spy on Trump's campaign - right dingus?

No one spied on Impeached Trump's campaign. The IG report on the matter proved that.

No it didn't.....just like Comey didn't say Clinton Didn't break the law, just that he wasn't going to prosecute here, man you are stupid...….and clueless

Uh, no, nothing like that. Horowitz said it was Page, not Impeached Trump, who was spied on.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie, they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

It was Trump's campaign dickbreath.

No, it wasn't. Stop lying (if you can). Page was not with the Impeached Trump campaign when he was spied on.

 

[Faun]

Documents show that Giuliani & his friends spying on Marie Yovanovitch in Ukraine. Since giuliani was there as trump's lawyer working for trump, he was spying on her for trump. In his campaign to get her fired. She left Ukraine because she was told she had to leave immediately for personal security reasons.

This is bad. These documents show so such nefarious actions by giuliani and trump. We have a president who spies on people only so they can pull off their corrupt schemes.

They even knew if her computer was turned on or not. They comment about how you can buy "anything" in Ukraine and talk about people willing to help if you/we like the price.

This is an American citizen with our own government spying on her and possibly allowing something to happen to her.

This is disgusting. People need to be held accountable for this.

Explosive new documents involving Rudy Giuliani and a Ukrainian associate show the shocking extent of Trump's pressure campaign

And...who gives a shit.
It was ok to spy on Trump's campaign - right dingus?

No one spied on Impeached Trump's campaign. The IG report on the matter proved that.

No it didn't.....just like Comey didn't say Clinton Didn't break the law, just that he wasn't going to prosecute here, man you are stupid...….and clueless

Uh, no, nothing like that. Horowitz said it was Page, not Impeached Trump, who was spied on.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie, they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

Page was working in what campaign? And why didnt they inform Trump they were spying on one of his campaign workers? I love your game of semantics...….

No campaign when they spied on him.

 

[colfax_m]

I believe people with good reputations. That ain’t Shokin.

You believe people with good reputations, and so you believe the Democrats?????

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This isn’t a partisan issue.

You have two corrupt people here: Shokin and the Democrats. I choose to believe Shokin, because this nonsense that Joe wanted Shokin fired because he was not looking into the corruption of a company that was paying his son 83K a year is beyond ridiculous. Why would Joe want that, and why was it so urgent that he only gave them hours to do it?

It makes much more sense that Shokin was investigating Hunter, and Joe had him fired for that reason; to help protect his son.

The reason that people wanted Shokin fired went way beyond what you quoted. Burisma was only one data point. The fact of the matter is that Shokin wasn't doing jack shit as Prosecutor General. He wasn't prosecuting any corruption, not just Burisma. Shokin's own prosecutors were found with wads of cash and diamonds in a raid on their houses. Anyone investigating internal corruption was forced out.

The prosecutor's office in Ukraine needed to be cleaned out if Ukraine was going to turn into a functional democracy. Shokin wasn't doing it.

You also need to take the blinders off. This wasn't Joe Biden making decisions unilaterally. The concerns about Shokin came from the ground up in the State Department, from many of our allies and from the people of Ukraine. The idea that all these people wanted Shokin fired to protect Hunter Biden is what is truly ridiculous.

So what you're saying is that Ukraine needed Joe to come there and threaten them to fire Shokin? Do you know how non-sensical that claim is? If Ukraine wanted him fired, they didn't need the US VP to pressure them to do it. Plus the fact that who their prosecutor was, was not in the US interests

What’s nonsensical about it? Ukraine is a corrupt country. Those in charge were pretty happy keeping it that way since it benefits them. Poroshenko had no intention of cleaning out the corruption.

US interests are to reduce corruption in Ukraine. A better, more functional ally in defense and for business opportunities.

It makes sense when you know a little more.

 

[Faun]

And...who gives a shit.
It was ok to spy on Trump's campaign - right dingus?

No one spied on Impeached Trump's campaign. The IG report on the matter proved that.

No it didn't.....just like Comey didn't say Clinton Didn't break the law, just that he wasn't going to prosecute here, man you are stupid...….and clueless

Uh, no, nothing like that. Horowitz said it was Page, not Impeached Trump, who was spied on.

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie, they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

It was Trump's campaign dickbreath.

Look at him twist, Faun is a joke. I hope Bernie gets railroaded again...….the dems rig elections, pubs don't.

I hope he does too. I don't want him winning yhd Democrat nomination.

 

[Faun]

Liar. Shokin was not actively investigating Burisma when he was fired.

Timeline in Ukraine Probe Casts Doubt on Giuliani’s Biden Claim

But what has received less attention is that at the time Biden made his ultimatum, the probe into the company -- Burisma Holdings, owned by Mykola Zlochevsky -- had been long dormant, according to the former official, Vitaliy Kasko.

“There was no pressure from anyone from the U.S. to close cases against Zlochevsky,” Kasko said in an interview last week. “It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015.”​

he was in the process of opening an investigation and joe biden had him fired for it,,,

but you already knew that didnt you,,,

Liar. There was no active investigation and it wasn't only Biden whi wanted him out.

Needless to say, after Shokin was removed, the Burisma investigation was re-opened. Burisma's owner was fined millions and only then was the investigation concluded.

when did I say active you stupid fuck???

You said he was opening it. He wasn't. He sat on that investigation for about 2 year before getting fired. And you prove to be stupid enough to believe him when he now says he was planning on investigating Burisma and/or Hunter Biden.... after 2 years of stalling.

due to new info he received he was trying to reopen it and biden him fired,,,

Bullshit. He knew he was fired because of Biden and he knew Biden's son worked for Burisma. If it was true he was reopening that investigation, hd was havd been screaming bloody murder. Instead, he said absolutely nothing about it until Impeached Trump's personal attorney contacted him last year about looking for dirt on Biden.

 

[Faun]

Do you on the left just accept any ridiculous thing your puppet masters tell you without question? Don't you see how silly they make you look when you repeat them????

You are trying to tell us, that Joe forced Ukraine to fire Shokin FOR NOT investigating a company that his son was working for; a job he was never qualified for; a job that paid him 83K every month and he had to do nothing for that money? You really expect anybody to believe that???

Sure, that makes a lot of sense. To a leftist, that makes more sense than Shoking WAS investigating Burisma and possibly money laundering by Hunter, and that's why Joe made sure he was fired.

Liar. Shokin was not actively investigating Burisma when he was fired.

Timeline in Ukraine Probe Casts Doubt on Giuliani’s Biden Claim

But what has received less attention is that at the time Biden made his ultimatum, the probe into the company -- Burisma Holdings, owned by Mykola Zlochevsky -- had been long dormant, according to the former official, Vitaliy Kasko.

“There was no pressure from anyone from the U.S. to close cases against Zlochevsky,” Kasko said in an interview last week. “It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015.”​

he was in the process of opening an investigation and joe biden had him fired for it,,,

but you already knew that didnt you,,,

How do you know he was in the process of opening an investigation?

sorry I dont understand the question,,,

You claim Shokin was in the process of opening an investigation into Burisma or Biden.

How do you know?

Shokin, who has an axe to grind against Biden, now says so.

 

[Faun]

You claim Shokin was in the process of opening an investigation into Burisma or Biden.

How do you know?

documents and first hand testimony,,,

What documents? Who’s testimony?

its been posted dozens of times over the last 3 months,,,
FFS you guys need to start reading post when theyre posted,,,,

Shokin has no credibility. The “documents” are printed out copies of his testimony, which lacks credibility.

So the sum total of evidence is a dude who was fired for being corrupt (or incompetent, or both) who says he totally was going to do a thing. The only people who believe that guy are those who desperately want to believe him. Everyone else knows he’s a joke with no evidence.

So what you are saying is believe the people with second hand, third hand, or more information, than the person this was directly about?

No, believe all of gbd news reports from that time. All of which that wrote about the matter say Shokin was first assigned the Burisma case in 2014 and sat on it until he was pushed out of office 2 years later.

 

[Faun]

Shokin has no credibility. The “documents” are printed out copies of his testimony, which lacks credibility.

So the sum total of evidence is a dude who was fired for being corrupt (or incompetent, or both) who says he totally was going to do a thing. The only people who believe that guy are those who desperately want to believe him. Everyone else knows he’s a joke with no evidence.

So what you are saying is believe the people with second hand, third hand, or more information, than the person this was directly about?

I believe people with good reputations. That ain’t Shokin.

You believe people with good reputations, and so you believe the Democrats?????

View attachment 300750

This isn’t a partisan issue.

You have two corrupt people here: Shokin and the Democrats. I choose to believe Shokin, because this nonsense that Joe wanted Shokin fired because he was not looking into the corruption of a company that was paying his son 83K a year is beyond ridiculous. Why would Joe want that, and why was it so urgent that he only gave them hours to do it?

It makes much more sense that Shokin was investigating Hunter, and Joe had him fired for that reason; to help protect his son.

Great, then let's see you produce even a shred of evidence from early 2016 that he was re-opening the investigation.....

 

[progressive hunter]

So what you are saying is believe the people with second hand, third hand, or more information, than the person this was directly about?

I believe people with good reputations. That ain’t Shokin.

You believe people with good reputations, and so you believe the Democrats?????

View attachment 300750

This isn’t a partisan issue.

You have two corrupt people here: Shokin and the Democrats. I choose to believe Shokin, because this nonsense that Joe wanted Shokin fired because he was not looking into the corruption of a company that was paying his son 83K a year is beyond ridiculous. Why would Joe want that, and why was it so urgent that he only gave them hours to do it?

It makes much more sense that Shokin was investigating Hunter, and Joe had him fired for that reason; to help protect his son.

Great, then let's see you produce even a shred of evidence from early 2016 that he was re-opening the investigation.....

a lot of the evidence has already been posted many times by several different people,,,

you should try reading sometimes instead of telling us whats true without proof,,,

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You believe people with good reputations, and so you believe the Democrats?????

View attachment 300750

This isn’t a partisan issue.

You have two corrupt people here: Shokin and the Democrats. I choose to believe Shokin, because this nonsense that Joe wanted Shokin fired because he was not looking into the corruption of a company that was paying his son 83K a year is beyond ridiculous. Why would Joe want that, and why was it so urgent that he only gave them hours to do it?

It makes much more sense that Shokin was investigating Hunter, and Joe had him fired for that reason; to help protect his son.

The reason that people wanted Shokin fired went way beyond what you quoted. Burisma was only one data point. The fact of the matter is that Shokin wasn't doing jack shit as Prosecutor General. He wasn't prosecuting any corruption, not just Burisma. Shokin's own prosecutors were found with wads of cash and diamonds in a raid on their houses. Anyone investigating internal corruption was forced out.

The prosecutor's office in Ukraine needed to be cleaned out if Ukraine was going to turn into a functional democracy. Shokin wasn't doing it.

You also need to take the blinders off. This wasn't Joe Biden making decisions unilaterally. The concerns about Shokin came from the ground up in the State Department, from many of our allies and from the people of Ukraine. The idea that all these people wanted Shokin fired to protect Hunter Biden is what is truly ridiculous.

So what you're saying is that Ukraine needed Joe to come there and threaten them to fire Shokin? Do you know how non-sensical that claim is? If Ukraine wanted him fired, they didn't need the US VP to pressure them to do it. Plus the fact that who their prosecutor was, was not in the US interests

What’s nonsensical about it? Ukraine is a corrupt country. Those in charge were pretty happy keeping it that way since it benefits them. Poroshenko had no intention of cleaning out the corruption.

US interests are to reduce corruption in Ukraine. A better, more functional ally in defense and for business opportunities.

It makes sense when you know a little more.

I know enough to say your claim makes absolutely no sense. When have we ever did that in any other country before? Whether Ukraine is corrupt, not corrupt, who their prosecutor is, is none of our business. It doesn't help the US any no matter who is in charge.

What does make sense is what Shokin said. He was on the heels of Burisma and Hunter, and that's why Joe had him fired.

 

[Siete]

I believe people with good reputations. That ain’t Shokin.

You believe people with good reputations, and so you believe the Democrats?????

View attachment 300750

This isn’t a partisan issue.

You have two corrupt people here: Shokin and the Democrats. I choose to believe Shokin, because this nonsense that Joe wanted Shokin fired because he was not looking into the corruption of a company that was paying his son 83K a year is beyond ridiculous. Why would Joe want that, and why was it so urgent that he only gave them hours to do it?

It makes much more sense that Shokin was investigating Hunter, and Joe had him fired for that reason; to help protect his son.

Great, then let's see you produce even a shred of evidence from early 2016 that he was re-opening the investigation.....

a lot of the evidence has already been posted many times by several different people,,,

you should try reading sometimes instead of telling us whats true without proof,,,

THATS F'N RICH ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Trumpdrones producing evidence - RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT

yet they were the idiots screaming WHERES THE EVIDENCE ...

 

[progressive hunter]

You believe people with good reputations, and so you believe the Democrats?????

View attachment 300750

This isn’t a partisan issue.

You have two corrupt people here: Shokin and the Democrats. I choose to believe Shokin, because this nonsense that Joe wanted Shokin fired because he was not looking into the corruption of a company that was paying his son 83K a year is beyond ridiculous. Why would Joe want that, and why was it so urgent that he only gave them hours to do it?

It makes much more sense that Shokin was investigating Hunter, and Joe had him fired for that reason; to help protect his son.

Great, then let's see you produce even a shred of evidence from early 2016 that he was re-opening the investigation.....

a lot of the evidence has already been posted many times by several different people,,,

you should try reading sometimes instead of telling us whats true without proof,,,

THATS F'N RICH ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Trumpdrones producing evidence - RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT

yet they were the idiots screaming WHERES THE EVIDENCE ...

if I knew what you were talking about I could respond,,,

 

[colfax_m]

This isn’t a partisan issue.

You have two corrupt people here: Shokin and the Democrats. I choose to believe Shokin, because this nonsense that Joe wanted Shokin fired because he was not looking into the corruption of a company that was paying his son 83K a year is beyond ridiculous. Why would Joe want that, and why was it so urgent that he only gave them hours to do it?

It makes much more sense that Shokin was investigating Hunter, and Joe had him fired for that reason; to help protect his son.

The reason that people wanted Shokin fired went way beyond what you quoted. Burisma was only one data point. The fact of the matter is that Shokin wasn't doing jack shit as Prosecutor General. He wasn't prosecuting any corruption, not just Burisma. Shokin's own prosecutors were found with wads of cash and diamonds in a raid on their houses. Anyone investigating internal corruption was forced out.

The prosecutor's office in Ukraine needed to be cleaned out if Ukraine was going to turn into a functional democracy. Shokin wasn't doing it.

You also need to take the blinders off. This wasn't Joe Biden making decisions unilaterally. The concerns about Shokin came from the ground up in the State Department, from many of our allies and from the people of Ukraine. The idea that all these people wanted Shokin fired to protect Hunter Biden is what is truly ridiculous.

So what you're saying is that Ukraine needed Joe to come there and threaten them to fire Shokin? Do you know how non-sensical that claim is? If Ukraine wanted him fired, they didn't need the US VP to pressure them to do it. Plus the fact that who their prosecutor was, was not in the US interests

What’s nonsensical about it? Ukraine is a corrupt country. Those in charge were pretty happy keeping it that way since it benefits them. Poroshenko had no intention of cleaning out the corruption.

US interests are to reduce corruption in Ukraine. A better, more functional ally in defense and for business opportunities.

It makes sense when you know a little more.

I know enough to say your claim makes absolutely no sense. When have we ever did that in any other country before? Whether Ukraine is corrupt, not corrupt, who their prosecutor is, is none of our business. It doesn't help the US any no matter who is in charge.

What does make sense is what Shokin said. He was on the heels of Burisma and Hunter, and that's why Joe had him fired.

When we are subsidizing the government of Ukraine, it becomes our business. That’s what Biden’s ultimatum was all about. They don’t have to fire their corrupt prosecutor and we don’t have to guarantee loans to keep their government afloat.

Do you think taxpayer dollars should go to propping up a corrupt system?

Sorry it doesn’t make sense to you but I don’t think I can explain it any more clearly.

If the only reason to fire Shokin was because he was after Burisma, why did everyone in State want him fired? Why did the IMF want him fired? Why did Ukrainian anti-corruption NGOs want him fired?

Why haven’t we seen any evidence that Shokin was doing anything about corruption?

 

[colfax_m]

I believe people with good reputations. That ain’t Shokin.

You believe people with good reputations, and so you believe the Democrats?????

View attachment 300750

This isn’t a partisan issue.

You have two corrupt people here: Shokin and the Democrats. I choose to believe Shokin, because this nonsense that Joe wanted Shokin fired because he was not looking into the corruption of a company that was paying his son 83K a year is beyond ridiculous. Why would Joe want that, and why was it so urgent that he only gave them hours to do it?

It makes much more sense that Shokin was investigating Hunter, and Joe had him fired for that reason; to help protect his son.

Great, then let's see you produce even a shred of evidence from early 2016 that he was re-opening the investigation.....

a lot of the evidence has already been posted many times by several different people,,,

you should try reading sometimes instead of telling us whats true without proof,,,

Im not omnipresent but I’ve been paying close to attention to this matter. If there were evidence of what you claim, I would know by now. It doesn’t exist.