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Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Sunday stunned audiences when he explained how he is “disappointed” that the focus in Ferguson, Missouri, is on the majority of the police force being white, rather than violence between African-Americans.
The conversation erupted when “Meet the Press”host Chuck Todd began discussing the disproportion of white police forces to the communities they serve in areas across the U.S. aside from Ferguson, including Newark, New Jersey and El Paso, Texas. ”All of those places could become future Fergusons,” Todd said.
Giuliani quickly pivoted the conversation, arguing “the fact is, I find it very disappointing that you’re not discussing the fact that 93% of blacks in America are killed by other blacks. We’re talking about the exception here.”
Georgetown Professor Michael Eric Dyson chimed in, saying “First of all, most black people who commit crimes against other black people go to jail. Number two, they are not sworn by the police department as an agent of the state to uphold the law. So in both cases, that’s a false equivalency that the mayor has drawn, which has exacerbated tensions deeply embedded in American culture.”
“Black people who kill black people go to jail. White people who are policemen who kill black people do not go to jail,” Dyson continued. “If a jury can indict a ham sandwich, why is it taking so long?”
Giuliani responded, saying “it’s hardly insignificant, it is the reason for the heavy policy presence in the black community.” Dyson: “Not at all, not at all.”
“What about the poor black child that is killed by another black child? Why aren’t you protesting that?” Giuliani asked. “Those people go to jail!” Dyson fired back.
“White police officers won’t be there if you weren’t killing each other 70% of the time,” Giuliani added, as Todd attempted to ease the heated volley.
“This is a defense mechanism of white supremacy at work in your mind, sir,” Dyson replied.
“As you can see, this has a lot of tension to it,” Todd said, putting an end to the back and forth.
Tweets surrounding the comments started pouring in, some calling Giuliani’s remarks “racist.” Another tweet, which received 143 retweets and counting, read “Rudy Giuliani just lost his mind on “Meet the Press”.
11% of Ferguson citizens voted in the last local election, then bitch because "the white folks didn't represent us on the Police Force'.Liberals will say "then we need more black cops" and everyone agrees with that. Problem is blacks can't meet the standards since most are illiterate.
11% of Ferguson citizens voted in the last local election, then bitch because "the white folks didn't represent us on the Police Force'.Liberals will say "then we need more black cops" and everyone agrees with that. Problem is blacks can't meet the standards since most are illiterate.
No hope for people with that mentality.
These people call for more "diversity" until it comes to something they DON'T LIKE
Why don't they just segregate themselves they don't like the people (color of their skin) or the country as it is?
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Amazing..11% of Ferguson citizens voted in the last local election, then bitch because "the white folks didn't represent us on the Police Force'.Liberals will say "then we need more black cops" and everyone agrees with that. Problem is blacks can't meet the standards since most are illiterate.
No hope for people with that mentality.
Why would anyone be "stunned" that he made comments like this ?
He was the mayor of a very violent city, and while cleaning it up he knew perfectly well where much of the violence comes from.
Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Sunday stunned audiences when he explained how he is “disappointed” that the focus in Ferguson, Missouri, is on the majority of the police force being white, rather than violence between African-Americans.
The conversation erupted when “Meet the Press”host Chuck Todd began discussing the disproportion of white police forces to the communities they serve in areas across the U.S. aside from Ferguson, including Newark, New Jersey and El Paso, Texas. ”All of those places could become future Fergusons,” Todd said.
Giuliani quickly pivoted the conversation, arguing “the fact is, I find it very disappointing that you’re not discussing the fact that 93% of blacks in America are killed by other blacks. We’re talking about the exception here.”
Georgetown Professor Michael Eric Dyson chimed in, saying “First of all, most black people who commit crimes against other black people go to jail. Number two, they are not sworn by the police department as an agent of the state to uphold the law. So in both cases, that’s a false equivalency that the mayor has drawn, which has exacerbated tensions deeply embedded in American culture.”
“Black people who kill black people go to jail. White people who are policemen who kill black people do not go to jail,” Dyson continued. “If a jury can indict a ham sandwich, why is it taking so long?”
Giuliani responded, saying “it’s hardly insignificant, it is the reason for the heavy policy presence in the black community.” Dyson: “Not at all, not at all.”
“What about the poor black child that is killed by another black child? Why aren’t you protesting that?” Giuliani asked. “Those people go to jail!” Dyson fired back.
“White police officers won’t be there if you weren’t killing each other 70% of the time,” Giuliani added, as Todd attempted to ease the heated volley.
“This is a defense mechanism of white supremacy at work in your mind, sir,” Dyson replied.
“As you can see, this has a lot of tension to it,” Todd said, putting an end to the back and forth.
Tweets surrounding the comments started pouring in, some calling Giuliani’s remarks “racist.” Another tweet, which received 143 retweets and counting, read “Rudy Giuliani just lost his mind on “Meet the Press”.
Giuliani Black violence is reason for white cops in Ferguson MSNBC
Why would anyone be "stunned" that he made comments like this ?
He was the mayor of a very violent city, and while cleaning it up he knew perfectly well where much of the violence comes from.
Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Sunday stunned audiences when he explained how he is “disappointed” that the focus in Ferguson, Missouri, is on the majority of the police force being white, rather than violence between African-Americans.
The conversation erupted when “Meet the Press”host Chuck Todd began discussing the disproportion of white police forces to the communities they serve in areas across the U.S. aside from Ferguson, including Newark, New Jersey and El Paso, Texas. ”All of those places could become future Fergusons,” Todd said.
Giuliani quickly pivoted the conversation, arguing “the fact is, I find it very disappointing that you’re not discussing the fact that 93% of blacks in America are killed by other blacks. We’re talking about the exception here.”
Georgetown Professor Michael Eric Dyson chimed in, saying “First of all, most black people who commit crimes against other black people go to jail. Number two, they are not sworn by the police department as an agent of the state to uphold the law. So in both cases, that’s a false equivalency that the mayor has drawn, which has exacerbated tensions deeply embedded in American culture.”
“Black people who kill black people go to jail. White people who are policemen who kill black people do not go to jail,” Dyson continued. “If a jury can indict a ham sandwich, why is it taking so long?”
Giuliani responded, saying “it’s hardly insignificant, it is the reason for the heavy policy presence in the black community.” Dyson: “Not at all, not at all.”
“What about the poor black child that is killed by another black child? Why aren’t you protesting that?” Giuliani asked. “Those people go to jail!” Dyson fired back.
“White police officers won’t be there if you weren’t killing each other 70% of the time,” Giuliani added, as Todd attempted to ease the heated volley.
“This is a defense mechanism of white supremacy at work in your mind, sir,” Dyson replied.
“As you can see, this has a lot of tension to it,” Todd said, putting an end to the back and forth.
Tweets surrounding the comments started pouring in, some calling Giuliani’s remarks “racist.” Another tweet, which received 143 retweets and counting, read “Rudy Giuliani just lost his mind on “Meet the Press”.
Giuliani Black violence is reason for white cops in Ferguson MSNBC
More than likely Rudy, like so many rightwinger/Republicans, just made up his BS on the fly to make a point that few if anyone in the media (especially, Chuck Todd: "It's Not Media's Job To Correct GOP...") will look into.
Rudy's either a lying POS or Rudy's incompetency caused him to not check out the FBI statistics before saying what he thinks might be true. But-----but OTOH, rightwinger/Republicans are notorious for knowing what they know just because they know it, even though they don't have facts to back up what they think they know.
Report: white on white crime rate exceeds that of black on black crime
In the United States, a White person is almost six times more likely to be killed by another White person than by a Black person, according to FBI homicide data. In 2011, there were more cases of Whites killing Whites than there were Blacks killing Blacks. However, the mainstream media obsesses over Black on Black violence and rarely mentions the problem of White on White
violence.
<snip>
When the Bureau of Justice Statistics collected homicidal rates from 1980 to 2008, they found that compared to Blacks, Whites were more likely to kill children, the elderly, family members, and their significant others. They commit more sex-related crimes, gang related crimes, and are more likely to kill at their places of employment.
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Why would anyone be "stunned" that he made comments like this ?
He was the mayor of a very violent city, and while cleaning it up he knew perfectly well where much of the violence comes from.
Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Sunday stunned audiences when he explained how he is “disappointed” that the focus in Ferguson, Missouri, is on the majority of the police force being white, rather than violence between African-Americans.
The conversation erupted when “Meet the Press”host Chuck Todd began discussing the disproportion of white police forces to the communities they serve in areas across the U.S. aside from Ferguson, including Newark, New Jersey and El Paso, Texas. ”All of those places could become future Fergusons,” Todd said.
Giuliani quickly pivoted the conversation, arguing “the fact is, I find it very disappointing that you’re not discussing the fact that 93% of blacks in America are killed by other blacks. We’re talking about the exception here.”
Georgetown Professor Michael Eric Dyson chimed in, saying “First of all, most black people who commit crimes against other black people go to jail. Number two, they are not sworn by the police department as an agent of the state to uphold the law. So in both cases, that’s a false equivalency that the mayor has drawn, which has exacerbated tensions deeply embedded in American culture.”
“Black people who kill black people go to jail. White people who are policemen who kill black people do not go to jail,” Dyson continued. “If a jury can indict a ham sandwich, why is it taking so long?”
Giuliani responded, saying “it’s hardly insignificant, it is the reason for the heavy policy presence in the black community.” Dyson: “Not at all, not at all.”
“What about the poor black child that is killed by another black child? Why aren’t you protesting that?” Giuliani asked. “Those people go to jail!” Dyson fired back.
“White police officers won’t be there if you weren’t killing each other 70% of the time,” Giuliani added, as Todd attempted to ease the heated volley.
“This is a defense mechanism of white supremacy at work in your mind, sir,” Dyson replied.
“As you can see, this has a lot of tension to it,” Todd said, putting an end to the back and forth.
Tweets surrounding the comments started pouring in, some calling Giuliani’s remarks “racist.” Another tweet, which received 143 retweets and counting, read “Rudy Giuliani just lost his mind on “Meet the Press”.
Giuliani Black violence is reason for white cops in Ferguson MSNBC
More than likely Rudy, like so many rightwinger/Republicans, just made up his BS on the fly to make a point that few if anyone in the media (especially, Chuck Todd: "It's Not Media's Job To Correct GOP...") will look into.
Rudy's either a lying POS or Rudy's incompetency caused him to not check out the FBI statistics before saying what he thinks might be true. But-----but OTOH, rightwinger/Republicans are notorious for knowing what they know just because they know it, even though they don't have facts to back up what they think they know.
Report: white on white crime rate exceeds that of black on black crime
In the United States, a White person is almost six times more likely to be killed by another White person than by a Black person, according to FBI homicide data. In 2011, there were more cases of Whites killing Whites than there were Blacks killing Blacks. However, the mainstream media obsesses over Black on Black violence and rarely mentions the problem of White on White
violence.
<snip>
When the Bureau of Justice Statistics collected homicidal rates from 1980 to 2008, they found that compared to Blacks, Whites were more likely to kill children, the elderly, family members, and their significant others. They commit more sex-related crimes, gang related crimes, and are more likely to kill at their places of employment.
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Why would anyone be "stunned" that he made comments like this ?
He was the mayor of a very violent city, and while cleaning it up he knew perfectly well where much of the violence comes from.
Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Sunday stunned audiences when he explained how he is “disappointed” that the focus in Ferguson, Missouri, is on the majority of the police force being white, rather than violence between African-Americans.
The conversation erupted when “Meet the Press”host Chuck Todd began discussing the disproportion of white police forces to the communities they serve in areas across the U.S. aside from Ferguson, including Newark, New Jersey and El Paso, Texas. ”All of those places could become future Fergusons,” Todd said.
Giuliani quickly pivoted the conversation, arguing “the fact is, I find it very disappointing that you’re not discussing the fact that 93% of blacks in America are killed by other blacks. We’re talking about the exception here.”
Georgetown Professor Michael Eric Dyson chimed in, saying “First of all, most black people who commit crimes against other black people go to jail. Number two, they are not sworn by the police department as an agent of the state to uphold the law. So in both cases, that’s a false equivalency that the mayor has drawn, which has exacerbated tensions deeply embedded in American culture.”
“Black people who kill black people go to jail. White people who are policemen who kill black people do not go to jail,” Dyson continued. “If a jury can indict a ham sandwich, why is it taking so long?”
Giuliani responded, saying “it’s hardly insignificant, it is the reason for the heavy policy presence in the black community.” Dyson: “Not at all, not at all.”
“What about the poor black child that is killed by another black child? Why aren’t you protesting that?” Giuliani asked. “Those people go to jail!” Dyson fired back.
“White police officers won’t be there if you weren’t killing each other 70% of the time,” Giuliani added, as Todd attempted to ease the heated volley.
“This is a defense mechanism of white supremacy at work in your mind, sir,” Dyson replied.
“As you can see, this has a lot of tension to it,” Todd said, putting an end to the back and forth.
Tweets surrounding the comments started pouring in, some calling Giuliani’s remarks “racist.” Another tweet, which received 143 retweets and counting, read “Rudy Giuliani just lost his mind on “Meet the Press”.
Giuliani Black violence is reason for white cops in Ferguson MSNBC
More than likely Rudy, like so many rightwinger/Republicans, just made up his BS on the fly to make a point that few if anyone in the media (especially, Chuck Todd: "It's Not Media's Job To Correct GOP...") will look into.
Rudy's either a lying POS or Rudy's incompetency caused him to not check out the FBI statistics before saying what he thinks might be true. But-----but OTOH, rightwinger/Republicans are notorious for knowing what they know just because they know it, even though they don't have facts to back up what they think they know.
Report: white on white crime rate exceeds that of black on black crime
In the United States, a White person is almost six times more likely to be killed by another White person than by a Black person, according to FBI homicide data. In 2011, there were more cases of Whites killing Whites than there were Blacks killing Blacks. However, the mainstream media obsesses over Black on Black violence and rarely mentions the problem of White on White
violence.
<snip>
When the Bureau of Justice Statistics collected homicidal rates from 1980 to 2008, they found that compared to Blacks, Whites were more likely to kill children, the elderly, family members, and their significant others. They commit more sex-related crimes, gang related crimes, and are more likely to kill at their places of employment.
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My, what a long post by someone so ignorant of legitimate statistical inference.
Why would anyone be "stunned" that he made comments like this ?
He was the mayor of a very violent city, and while cleaning it up he knew perfectly well where much of the violence comes from.
Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Sunday stunned audiences when he explained how he is “disappointed” that the focus in Ferguson, Missouri, is on the majority of the police force being white, rather than violence between African-Americans.
The conversation erupted when “Meet the Press”host Chuck Todd began discussing the disproportion of white police forces to the communities they serve in areas across the U.S. aside from Ferguson, including Newark, New Jersey and El Paso, Texas. ”All of those places could become future Fergusons,” Todd said.
Giuliani quickly pivoted the conversation, arguing “the fact is, I find it very disappointing that you’re not discussing the fact that 93% of blacks in America are killed by other blacks. We’re talking about the exception here.”
Georgetown Professor Michael Eric Dyson chimed in, saying “First of all, most black people who commit crimes against other black people go to jail. Number two, they are not sworn by the police department as an agent of the state to uphold the law. So in both cases, that’s a false equivalency that the mayor has drawn, which has exacerbated tensions deeply embedded in American culture.”
“Black people who kill black people go to jail. White people who are policemen who kill black people do not go to jail,” Dyson continued. “If a jury can indict a ham sandwich, why is it taking so long?”
Giuliani responded, saying “it’s hardly insignificant, it is the reason for the heavy policy presence in the black community.” Dyson: “Not at all, not at all.”
“What about the poor black child that is killed by another black child? Why aren’t you protesting that?” Giuliani asked. “Those people go to jail!” Dyson fired back.
“White police officers won’t be there if you weren’t killing each other 70% of the time,” Giuliani added, as Todd attempted to ease the heated volley.
“This is a defense mechanism of white supremacy at work in your mind, sir,” Dyson replied.
“As you can see, this has a lot of tension to it,” Todd said, putting an end to the back and forth.
Tweets surrounding the comments started pouring in, some calling Giuliani’s remarks “racist.” Another tweet, which received 143 retweets and counting, read “Rudy Giuliani just lost his mind on “Meet the Press”.
Giuliani Black violence is reason for white cops in Ferguson MSNBC
More than likely Rudy, like so many rightwinger/Republicans, just made up his BS on the fly to make a point that few if anyone in the media (especially, Chuck Todd: "It's Not Media's Job To Correct GOP...") will look into.
Rudy's either a lying POS or Rudy's incompetency caused him to not check out the FBI statistics before saying what he thinks might be true. But-----but OTOH, rightwinger/Republicans are notorious for knowing what they know just because they know it, even though they don't have facts to back up what they think they know.
Report: white on white crime rate exceeds that of black on black crime
In the United States, a White person is almost six times more likely to be killed by another White person than by a Black person, according to FBI homicide data. In 2011, there were more cases of Whites killing Whites than there were Blacks killing Blacks. However, the mainstream media obsesses over Black on Black violence and rarely mentions the problem of White on White
violence.
<snip>
When the Bureau of Justice Statistics collected homicidal rates from 1980 to 2008, they found that compared to Blacks, Whites were more likely to kill children, the elderly, family members, and their significant others. They commit more sex-related crimes, gang related crimes, and are more likely to kill at their places of employment.
.
My, what a long post by someone so ignorant of legitimate statistical inference.
Typical rightwing/Republican, whines about the statistics the author quoted in the article but chooses not to or can't dispute even a single one-----not a single one of the statistics quoted in the article.
Believability much?
As I said: "rightwinger/Republicans are notorious for knowing what they know just because they know it, even though they don't have facts to back up what they think they know." - the above post is another example, thanks for making my point.
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A libtard who thinks they know facts, hilarious.Why would anyone be "stunned" that he made comments like this ?
He was the mayor of a very violent city, and while cleaning it up he knew perfectly well where much of the violence comes from.
Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Sunday stunned audiences when he explained how he is “disappointed” that the focus in Ferguson, Missouri, is on the majority of the police force being white, rather than violence between African-Americans.
The conversation erupted when “Meet the Press”host Chuck Todd began discussing the disproportion of white police forces to the communities they serve in areas across the U.S. aside from Ferguson, including Newark, New Jersey and El Paso, Texas. ”All of those places could become future Fergusons,” Todd said.
Giuliani quickly pivoted the conversation, arguing “the fact is, I find it very disappointing that you’re not discussing the fact that 93% of blacks in America are killed by other blacks. We’re talking about the exception here.”
Georgetown Professor Michael Eric Dyson chimed in, saying “First of all, most black people who commit crimes against other black people go to jail. Number two, they are not sworn by the police department as an agent of the state to uphold the law. So in both cases, that’s a false equivalency that the mayor has drawn, which has exacerbated tensions deeply embedded in American culture.”
“Black people who kill black people go to jail. White people who are policemen who kill black people do not go to jail,” Dyson continued. “If a jury can indict a ham sandwich, why is it taking so long?”
Giuliani responded, saying “it’s hardly insignificant, it is the reason for the heavy policy presence in the black community.” Dyson: “Not at all, not at all.”
“What about the poor black child that is killed by another black child? Why aren’t you protesting that?” Giuliani asked. “Those people go to jail!” Dyson fired back.
“White police officers won’t be there if you weren’t killing each other 70% of the time,” Giuliani added, as Todd attempted to ease the heated volley.
“This is a defense mechanism of white supremacy at work in your mind, sir,” Dyson replied.
“As you can see, this has a lot of tension to it,” Todd said, putting an end to the back and forth.
Tweets surrounding the comments started pouring in, some calling Giuliani’s remarks “racist.” Another tweet, which received 143 retweets and counting, read “Rudy Giuliani just lost his mind on “Meet the Press”.
Giuliani Black violence is reason for white cops in Ferguson MSNBC
More than likely Rudy, like so many rightwinger/Republicans, just made up his BS on the fly to make a point that few if anyone in the media (especially, Chuck Todd: "It's Not Media's Job To Correct GOP...") will look into.
Rudy's either a lying POS or Rudy's incompetency caused him to not check out the FBI statistics before saying what he thinks might be true. But-----but OTOH, rightwinger/Republicans are notorious for knowing what they know just because they know it, even though they don't have facts to back up what they think they know.
Report: white on white crime rate exceeds that of black on black crime
In the United States, a White person is almost six times more likely to be killed by another White person than by a Black person, according to FBI homicide data. In 2011, there were more cases of Whites killing Whites than there were Blacks killing Blacks. However, the mainstream media obsesses over Black on Black violence and rarely mentions the problem of White on White
violence.
<snip>
When the Bureau of Justice Statistics collected homicidal rates from 1980 to 2008, they found that compared to Blacks, Whites were more likely to kill children, the elderly, family members, and their significant others. They commit more sex-related crimes, gang related crimes, and are more likely to kill at their places of employment.
.
My, what a long post by someone so ignorant of legitimate statistical inference.
Typical rightwing/Republican, whines about the statistics the author quoted in the article but chooses not to or can't dispute even a single one-----not a single one of the statistics quoted in the article.
Believability much?
As I said: "rightwinger/Republicans are notorious for knowing what they know just because they know it, even though they don't have facts to back up what they think they know." - the above post is another example, thanks for making my point.
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A libtard who thinks they know facts, hilarious.Why would anyone be "stunned" that he made comments like this ?
He was the mayor of a very violent city, and while cleaning it up he knew perfectly well where much of the violence comes from.
Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Sunday stunned audiences when he explained how he is “disappointed” that the focus in Ferguson, Missouri, is on the majority of the police force being white, rather than violence between African-Americans.
The conversation erupted when “Meet the Press”host Chuck Todd began discussing the disproportion of white police forces to the communities they serve in areas across the U.S. aside from Ferguson, including Newark, New Jersey and El Paso, Texas. ”All of those places could become future Fergusons,” Todd said.
Giuliani quickly pivoted the conversation, arguing “the fact is, I find it very disappointing that you’re not discussing the fact that 93% of blacks in America are killed by other blacks. We’re talking about the exception here.”
Georgetown Professor Michael Eric Dyson chimed in, saying “First of all, most black people who commit crimes against other black people go to jail. Number two, they are not sworn by the police department as an agent of the state to uphold the law. So in both cases, that’s a false equivalency that the mayor has drawn, which has exacerbated tensions deeply embedded in American culture.”
“Black people who kill black people go to jail. White people who are policemen who kill black people do not go to jail,” Dyson continued. “If a jury can indict a ham sandwich, why is it taking so long?”
Giuliani responded, saying “it’s hardly insignificant, it is the reason for the heavy policy presence in the black community.” Dyson: “Not at all, not at all.”
“What about the poor black child that is killed by another black child? Why aren’t you protesting that?” Giuliani asked. “Those people go to jail!” Dyson fired back.
“White police officers won’t be there if you weren’t killing each other 70% of the time,” Giuliani added, as Todd attempted to ease the heated volley.
“This is a defense mechanism of white supremacy at work in your mind, sir,” Dyson replied.
“As you can see, this has a lot of tension to it,” Todd said, putting an end to the back and forth.
Tweets surrounding the comments started pouring in, some calling Giuliani’s remarks “racist.” Another tweet, which received 143 retweets and counting, read “Rudy Giuliani just lost his mind on “Meet the Press”.
Giuliani Black violence is reason for white cops in Ferguson MSNBC
More than likely Rudy, like so many rightwinger/Republicans, just made up his BS on the fly to make a point that few if anyone in the media (especially, Chuck Todd: "It's Not Media's Job To Correct GOP...") will look into.
Rudy's either a lying POS or Rudy's incompetency caused him to not check out the FBI statistics before saying what he thinks might be true. But-----but OTOH, rightwinger/Republicans are notorious for knowing what they know just because they know it, even though they don't have facts to back up what they think they know.
Report: white on white crime rate exceeds that of black on black crime
In the United States, a White person is almost six times more likely to be killed by another White person than by a Black person, according to FBI homicide data. In 2011, there were more cases of Whites killing Whites than there were Blacks killing Blacks. However, the mainstream media obsesses over Black on Black violence and rarely mentions the problem of White on White
violence.
<snip>
When the Bureau of Justice Statistics collected homicidal rates from 1980 to 2008, they found that compared to Blacks, Whites were more likely to kill children, the elderly, family members, and their significant others. They commit more sex-related crimes, gang related crimes, and are more likely to kill at their places of employment.
.
My, what a long post by someone so ignorant of legitimate statistical inference.
Typical rightwing/Republican, whines about the statistics the author quoted in the article but chooses not to or can't dispute even a single one-----not a single one of the statistics quoted in the article.
Believability much?
As I said: "rightwinger/Republicans are notorious for knowing what they know just because they know it, even though they don't have facts to back up what they think they know." - the above post is another example, thanks for making my point.
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