Gitmo prisoners defend 'blessed' 9/11 attack

[DiveCon]

Can ya site the declaration where Hussein renouced Islam?

...

Hussein claims to be a Christian ...

Wouldn't a claim of being a Christian necessarily imply a renouncement of religions that teach contrary doctrines?

i would say so

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Can ya site the declaration where Hussein renouced Islam?

...

Hussein claims to be a Christian ...

Wouldn't a claim of being a Christian necessarily imply a renouncement of religions that teach contrary doctrines?

An implication is a declaration? I've known a LOT of Christians and where their faith is 'implied' it's fair sign of a dubious faith.

But the fact remains that he was born TO a Muslim Father... thus he's a blood Muslim; can't shake that... just as a person born to a Jewish mother remains a Jew... even when they're front row, center down at the Baptist Church, testifyin' and wavin' the hands, while liftin' their voices in song, celebrating Christ's grace.

What's fascinating to me, is that as was pointed out above, Hussein being a blood Muslim and now 'implying that he's renounced Islam' would normally set him up as apostate... and not JUST apostate, but the most egregious of apostate: murtad fitri. A phrase which references a blood Muslim, a person borm to a Muslim father who renounces his birthright. But unlike two recent examples of murtad fitri, Somali-born Ayaan Hirsi, a devout atheist and Egyptian Ali Magdi Allam, now a Catholic; both of whom have realized Islamic Fatwas requiring Muslims who see them, kill them in the name of Allah... Not a WORD has been said by the Muslim Community that the President of the US is murtad fitri...

I mean given the half Dozen fatwas that are on GW Bush's head... you'd think that someone who has committed what is said to be the highest crime in Islam... and is now in charge of the Great Satan would have garnered SOME public comment...

Of course, since President Hussein took office, the US administration no longer claims to be at war with Islam... no longer uses the phrase "US War on Terror" and the enemies of Isreal just got a check for a Billion Dollars... along with a new Official US policy of bringing Palistinian Radical to US Universities...

So maybe, there's some sort of inside-Islam understanding to which we Infidels just aren't privy...

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Is he? Can ya site the declaration where Hussein renouced Islam? I mean if you can produce that, well then I suppose ya got me... Of course if ya can't... then we're gonna have to go with his being born to a Muslim Father and raised as a Muslim...

If he was a Muslim, his attending a Christian church, swearing on a Bible, and proclaiming faith in Christianity would be considered apostasy.

Only where such is genuine and reflects disrespects Islam...

But were that to be the case, he would be far more than just apostate, he'd be the most vile reviled species of humanity... the most hated entity in all of Islam... murtad fitri. Which usually results in a Fatwa declaring it the duty of all Muslims to kill the offender.

I can't help but to notice that no such Islamic ruling has come down on this guy when it's otherwise fairly common... I'm sure it's just an 'isolated incident' and nothing to worry about...

I tell ya what... Let's do this... Why don't you send letters asking President Hussein to answer the question: "Are Muslims going to hell?"

Why?

To find out if he's a Christrian as we've been lead to believe... or has been 'implied.'

Maybe you can get through, my request came back with a form letter thanking me for my concerns about the new administration... with no mention of my question.

Wouldn't it reflect poorly on the current administration if they actually took the time to answer every inane question sent to the White House?

I don't know... How could it reflect poorly on the most transparent administration in US history, for them to openly and honestly answer questions inquiring about our new President?

But you get the idea I'm sure... Hussein claims to be a Christian and as such his understanding would thus be that absent Muslims asking Jesus Christ to be their Lord and Savior... Muslims are going straight to hell... No virgins... just eternal damnation for being so short sighted as to worship a mass murdering pedophile.

Muslims don't worship Muhammad, ﷺ. Muhammad, like Jesus and Moses before him, was only a mortal and a messenger. Worship of a man or anything less than God himself would be sinful. If you can cite an example of Muhammad carrying out "mass murder," do so. Otherwise, please stop slandering him. I'm not sure what you mean by "pedophile." If you're referring to Muhammad's wife Aisha, she was between 15 and 20 years old at the time of the consummation of her marriage with Muhammad.

Well Christ was God incarnate... The Son of God... So you can see how that would be wholly distinct from Moses, Mohammad or Pastor Freddy... But I hear ya, Mohammad was just a lowly messenger, hardly anyone of note, beyond his murderous tendencies and his preference for screwing children...

Now as to Mohammad's mass murderin'... See: Genocide of Banu Quraiza...

Ashia was closer to SIX when the filthy perv Mohammad married her... and the intent is to disrespect Mohammad; vehemently, overtly, intentionally and with full knowledge of what Mohammad means to Islam...

Ya see I consider Islam to be nothing less than a LIE... the personification of collective evil and I have absolutely nothing but contemot fr everything MUSLIM without the slightest reservation. Ya see my culture is at war with Islam... and has been at war with Islam for coming up on 1400 years. So I don't really care what Islam on the whole or individual Muslims 'feel' about anything.

Questions?

 

[Gunny]

ROFL...

Ok Gunny... Whatever you say...

"Everyone KNOWS" that the Left hasn't been doing their collective best to protect the Mass-Murderers at Gitmo and around the world and the Marxist, President Hussein, is not a Leftist... despite the leftist policy he has advanced and stands at this moment doing his level best to implement... You're all over it!

But it's worth reminding you that:

THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS... just as there is no right WRONGS... No UP-DOWNS and NO Black whites....

Of course this presumes that one recognizes that America was founded upon immutable principle and the ideological left stands in direct opposition to those principles... thus where one accepts leftists as Americans one must define "America" in such terms as to reduce the concept to that which is essentially meaningless.

Is it now? Well let's see how ya do...

Our "LAWS"? What Laws are ya speaking of Gunny?

We're discussing Prisoners of War... Prisoners which are ILLEGAL COMBATANTS... Illegal in that within the body of international law, combatants who intentionally target and who intentionally utilize civilians as cover and concealment as not considered honorable combatants... This is due to a litanny of reasons which are indisputable... I know the reasons and you know the reasons and there is little point to elaborating...

There are no legitimate leftist arguments... and those relevant to the war on terror are no exception. "To suggest that "WE" can't identify those who are criminals or POWs is absurd on it's face. If an idividual is guilty to the SLIGHTEST DEGREE of complying with Islamic Islam, towards ANY purpose where they are REASONABLY BELIEVED TO HAVE KNOWINGLY COMPLIED WITH TERRORIST OPERATORS, ON ANY LEVEL, ACCEPT WHERE COERCION IS KNOWN TO EXIST, meaning the individual was working AGAINST THEIR WILL... then they ARE ILLEGAL COMBATANTS... that they were not engaged directly in combat is irrelevant... There is no 'criminal' relevance...

You're argument, PLAIN AND SIMPLY seeks to lend credence to these spurious arguments... and in so doing is part and parcel of the problem; where 'the problem' is PROTECTING ISLAMIC TERRORISTS...

They represent no foreign nation. They are not in the military of any foreign nation. They have no legitimate standing as an army.

And actually, labeling them illegal combatants as you have just lends credence to MY argument. They are criminals.

There is a legitimate argument. You refuse to recognize it; yet, you call them POW's in one breath and illegal combatants in the next.

WHICH is it?

Oh I see... so they're there and their presence there has not been reviewed to determine the circumstances which resulted in them being there... is that it Gunny?

The US Military and intelligence agencies are just out there rounding up shop-keepers and goat herders, strapping zips-ties and hoods on them and shipping these poor innocents off to GITMO... because they're extreme-rightwingers with a major hate-on for brown people with funny accents... is that it? They're not bright enough to known when someone is shooting at them, found storing caches of ammunition, explosives, electronics common to building IEDs... or known to harbor those who have attacked US forces...? So instead of catching bad-guys, they just grab who-ever...? And the US Military is not capable of determining just-cause... that requires a full and open Federal trial in Berkely... ?

It's a war Gunny... pick a fucking side. Pretending it's not a war isn't much of an excuse; it didn't work on 9/11/01 and it's not going to work today.

YOU pick a side, moron. Before you do, I suggest you get your head out of your ass and learn the facts instead of all this one-sided shit you spew.

When you presume to send me to fight YOUR fucking war, you damned well better have a legitimate reason for me to drop the hammer on ANYONE. Got that, pissant?

Otherwise, get your ass off the sofa and go do your own fucking killing.

Well that doesn't bode well for your intellectual means...



Gunny, would you please lead me to what the US Constitution has to say about the treatment of illegal combatants in time of war? Now please, be as specific as you can be... I am REALLY interested in finding this heretofore unknown section of the US Constitution.

I don't recall that I stated the Constitution said a damned thing about it. I only referred to your convoluted ideals that go against the ideals the Constitution represent.

However, dipshit, you just posted above what laws cover illegal combatants. You really aren't good at this.

NO? Islam says he's a Muslim... as he was born to a Muslim Father. If you don't like that I suggest you take it up with Islam.

What church does he attend? You know ... the one you were Hell on wheels about him attending for 20+ years? Yeah, THAT church.

Hypocrite. I don't give a DAMN what Islamic rule you want to pull out your ass when it suits you. I define the man by his actions and his words. Neither add up to your intellectually dishonest accusation.

Hussein's advocacy of Marxist policy, his longstanding associations with Marxists, of which several Marxist Terrorists are counted and his adherence to Marxist dogma say otherwise... your wishful thinking aside; Marxists exist Gunny and your President is what they look like.

Perhaps you'd like to define Marxism and show us what YOU FEEL a Marxist should look like... Perhaps you feel that those who advocate for policies which adhere to Marxist principle are not Marxist... State an argument...

My argument is simple. You obviously wouldn't know a Marxist if one came up to you wearing a sign that said as much.

ROFL... 'look bad' to whom?

You know, I can see why most everyone on this board thinks you're an idiot. You are. Your arguments are twisted bullshit, if not outright lies.

Oh, and shit-for-brains, if you continue to presume to speak down to me, I'm going to light your ass up. I'm too old to take sit off some armchair warrior, chickenhawk piece of shit who is all about killing when the closest you've ever come to it is last night's rerun of Dragnet.

When you put your money where you fucking piehole is maggot, THEN you can presume to talk to me about killing people, and unjustly holding people whose only crime is being Arab/Muslim. I didn't go fight to uphold the Constitution of this nation so people like you can wipe your fucking ass with it.

 

[Gunny]

I don't know how anybody can say "he's not a Marxist." Darn, that is exactly what he is.. He was a member of a church for 20 years, studied there was mentored there, adhered to the teachings there, received his blessings there,, and guess what that church taught??? Black Liberation Theology,, guess what Black Liberation Theology is rooted in?? you guessed it.. Marxism. The only reason he is not in that church today is he wanted to be the president. . take a look back into history and again,, see the people who he aligned himself with... It wasn't Donald Duck.

The US is rooted in socialism. Does that make you a Marxist?

 

[Kalam]

Only where such is genuine and reflects disrespects Islam...

Disrespect for other believers is not a tenet of Christianity.

But were that to be the case, he would be far more than just apostate, he'd be the most vile reviled species of humanity... the most hated entity in all of Islam... murtad fitri. Which usually results in a Fatwa declaring it the duty of all Muslims to kill the offender.

"Murtad fitri" is inapplicable to Obama because he wasn't born and raised in a society governed by Sharia. Fatawa are nonsense. The only authority that can specify the duties of all Muslims is the Qur'an, which prescribes no punishment for apostasy.

I can't help but to notice that no such Islamic ruling has come down on this guy when it's otherwise fairly common... I'm sure it's just an 'isolated incident' and nothing to worry about...

What difference would it make to you?

To find out if he's a Christrian as we've been lead to believe... or has been 'implied.'

An affirmative answer wouldn't prove that he's a Christian. Muslims going to hell is not a part of Christianity. It would be less idiotic to ask him if he believed in the trinity or whatever.

I don't know... How could it reflect poorly on the most transparent administration in US history, for them to openly and honestly answer questions inquiring about our new President?

Writing responses to incendiary letters from random neanderthals rather than addressing important national issues would reflect poorly on the administration.

Well Christ was God incarnate... The Son of God...

I'm not interested in your preaching.

Now as to Mohammad's mass murderin'... See: Genocide of Banu Quraiza...

"Genocide"...

The Banu Qurayza were executed for treason. They dealt secretly with the Quraish during the Battle of the Trench.

Ashia was closer to SIX when the filthy perv Mohammad married her...

Aisha was born before the Call. Her betrothal occurred 10 years after the Call, making her at least ten at that time and fifteen at the time of the consummation of the marriage.

The "six" figure comes from a single oral tradition in Bukhari, while multiple ahadith from various collections corroborate the fact that she was born before the Call. Bukhari also states that Muhammad is the messenger of God. Since you're willing to believe what it says about Aisha, can I assume that you also believe this?

and the intent is to disrespect Mohammad; vehemently, overtly, intentionally and with full knowledge of what Mohammad means to Islam...

Your trolling isn't going to provoke an emotional response from me. You're welcome to say whatever you want about the prophet, but you'll accomplish nothing other than making a public display of your irrational hatred.

Ya see I consider Islam to be nothing less than a LIE... the personification of collective evil and I have absolutely nothing but contemot fr everything MUSLIM without the slightest reservation.

I've heard it all before. Islam is "evil" because we don't worship the Dear Sweet Lord Baby Jesus™. Got anything original?

Ya see my culture is at war with Islam... and has been at war with Islam for coming up on 1400 years.

The culture of tard-crazy radical "Christianity" is at war with everything other than itself. Unfortunately for you all, nobody else seems to care.

So I don't really care what Islam on the whole or individual Muslims 'feel' about anything.

No, of course not. Knowing the actual message of Islam would require actually learning about the faith, which could possibly lead to - - a reevaluation of your ignorant and hateful position. Like any true radical "Christian," you'd much rather wallow in your own irrationality than expose yourself to knowledge.

 

[Gunny]

Only where such is genuine and reflects disrespects Islam...

Disrespect for other believers is not a tenet of Christianity.

But were that to be the case, he would be far more than just apostate, he'd be the most vile reviled species of humanity... the most hated entity in all of Islam... murtad fitri. Which usually results in a Fatwa declaring it the duty of all Muslims to kill the offender.

"Murtad fitri" is inapplicable to Obama because he wasn't born and raised in a society governed by Sharia. Fatawa are nonsense. The only authority that can specify the duties of all Muslims is the Qur'an, which prescribes no punishment for apostasy.


What difference would it make to you?


An affirmative answer wouldn't prove that he's a Christian. Muslims going to hell is not a part of Christianity. It would be less idiotic to ask him if he believed in the trinity or whatever.


Writing responses to incendiary letters from random neanderthals rather than addressing important national issues would reflect poorly on the administration.


I'm not interested in your preaching.


"Genocide"...

The Banu Qurayza were executed for treason. They dealt secretly with the Quraish during the Battle of the Trench.


Aisha was born before the Call. Her betrothal occurred 10 years after the Call, making her at least ten at that time and fifteen at the time of the consummation of the marriage.

The "six" figure comes from a single oral tradition in Bukhari, while multiple ahadith from various collections corroborate the fact that she was born before the Call. Bukhari also states that Muhammad is the messenger of God. Since you're willing to believe what it says about Aisha, can I assume that you also believe this?


Your trolling isn't going to provoke an emotional response from me. You're welcome to say whatever you want about the prophet, but you'll accomplish nothing other than making a public display of your irrational hatred.




I've heard it all before. Islam is "evil" because we don't worship the Dear Sweet Lord Baby Jesus™. Got anything original?

Ya see my culture is at war with Islam... and has been at war with Islam for coming up on 1400 years.

The culture of tard-crazy radical "Christianity" is at war with everything other than itself. Unfortunately for you all, nobody else seems to care.

So I don't really care what Islam on the whole or individual Muslims 'feel' about anything.

No, of course not. Knowing the actual message of Islam would require actually learning about the faith, which could possibly lead to - - a reevaluation of your ignorant and hateful position. Like any true radical "Christian," you'd much rather wallow in your own irrationality than expose yourself to knowledge.

Apparently, PI hates anything different than he is, and wants others to kill what he hates.

 

[Annie]

Only where such is genuine and reflects disrespects Islam...

Disrespect for other believers is not a tenet of Christianity.


"Murtad fitri" is inapplicable to Obama because he wasn't born and raised in a society governed by Sharia. Fatawa are nonsense. The only authority that can specify the duties of all Muslims is the Qur'an, which prescribes no punishment for apostasy.


What difference would it make to you?


An affirmative answer wouldn't prove that he's a Christian. Muslims going to hell is not a part of Christianity. It would be less idiotic to ask him if he believed in the trinity or whatever.


Writing responses to incendiary letters from random neanderthals rather than addressing important national issues would reflect poorly on the administration.


I'm not interested in your preaching.


"Genocide"...

The Banu Qurayza were executed for treason. They dealt secretly with the Quraish during the Battle of the Trench.


Aisha was born before the Call. Her betrothal occurred 10 years after the Call, making her at least ten at that time and fifteen at the time of the consummation of the marriage.

The "six" figure comes from a single oral tradition in Bukhari, while multiple ahadith from various collections corroborate the fact that she was born before the Call. Bukhari also states that Muhammad is the messenger of God. Since you're willing to believe what it says about Aisha, can I assume that you also believe this?


Your trolling isn't going to provoke an emotional response from me. You're welcome to say whatever you want about the prophet, but you'll accomplish nothing other than making a public display of your irrational hatred.




I've heard it all before. Islam is "evil" because we don't worship the Dear Sweet Lord Baby Jesus™. Got anything original?


The culture of tard-crazy radical "Christianity" is at war with everything other than itself. Unfortunately for you all, nobody else seems to care.

So I don't really care what Islam on the whole or individual Muslims 'feel' about anything.

No, of course not. Knowing the actual message of Islam would require actually learning about the faith, which could possibly lead to - - a reevaluation of your ignorant and hateful position. Like any true radical "Christian," you'd much rather wallow in your own irrationality than expose yourself to knowledge.

Apparently, PI hates anything different than he is, and wants others to kill what he hates.

This is new? I remember, way back when, he thought one of my posts should be 'reported' to homeland security. He said he did so. Hmm, wonder what he does to bobo?

 

[xotoxi]

Do you think that Gitmo was able to supply Khalid Sheikh Mohammed with a new T-shirt? One that's not all stretched out?

And why do you think it is so stretched out?

Do you think he climbs his whole body in and out of the head hole like a lady getting into a tight, form fitting dress?

 

[DiveCon]

Disrespect for other believers is not a tenet of Christianity.


"Murtad fitri" is inapplicable to Obama because he wasn't born and raised in a society governed by Sharia. Fatawa are nonsense. The only authority that can specify the duties of all Muslims is the Qur'an, which prescribes no punishment for apostasy.


What difference would it make to you?


An affirmative answer wouldn't prove that he's a Christian. Muslims going to hell is not a part of Christianity. It would be less idiotic to ask him if he believed in the trinity or whatever.


Writing responses to incendiary letters from random neanderthals rather than addressing important national issues would reflect poorly on the administration.


I'm not interested in your preaching.


"Genocide"...

The Banu Qurayza were executed for treason. They dealt secretly with the Quraish during the Battle of the Trench.


Aisha was born before the Call. Her betrothal occurred 10 years after the Call, making her at least ten at that time and fifteen at the time of the consummation of the marriage.

The "six" figure comes from a single oral tradition in Bukhari, while multiple ahadith from various collections corroborate the fact that she was born before the Call. Bukhari also states that Muhammad is the messenger of God. Since you're willing to believe what it says about Aisha, can I assume that you also believe this?


Your trolling isn't going to provoke an emotional response from me. You're welcome to say whatever you want about the prophet, but you'll accomplish nothing other than making a public display of your irrational hatred.




I've heard it all before. Islam is "evil" because we don't worship the Dear Sweet Lord Baby Jesus™. Got anything original?


The culture of tard-crazy radical "Christianity" is at war with everything other than itself. Unfortunately for you all, nobody else seems to care.


No, of course not. Knowing the actual message of Islam would require actually learning about the faith, which could possibly lead to - - a reevaluation of your ignorant and hateful position. Like any true radical "Christian," you'd much rather wallow in your own irrationality than expose yourself to knowledge.

Apparently, PI hates anything different than he is, and wants others to kill what he hates.

This is new? I remember, way back when, he thought one of my posts should be 'reported' to homeland security. He said he did so. Hmm, wonder what he does to bobo?

what he and bobo do behind closed doors, is no bodies business

 

[Gunny]

Disrespect for other believers is not a tenet of Christianity.


"Murtad fitri" is inapplicable to Obama because he wasn't born and raised in a society governed by Sharia. Fatawa are nonsense. The only authority that can specify the duties of all Muslims is the Qur'an, which prescribes no punishment for apostasy.


What difference would it make to you?


An affirmative answer wouldn't prove that he's a Christian. Muslims going to hell is not a part of Christianity. It would be less idiotic to ask him if he believed in the trinity or whatever.


Writing responses to incendiary letters from random neanderthals rather than addressing important national issues would reflect poorly on the administration.


I'm not interested in your preaching.


"Genocide"...

The Banu Qurayza were executed for treason. They dealt secretly with the Quraish during the Battle of the Trench.


Aisha was born before the Call. Her betrothal occurred 10 years after the Call, making her at least ten at that time and fifteen at the time of the consummation of the marriage.

The "six" figure comes from a single oral tradition in Bukhari, while multiple ahadith from various collections corroborate the fact that she was born before the Call. Bukhari also states that Muhammad is the messenger of God. Since you're willing to believe what it says about Aisha, can I assume that you also believe this?


Your trolling isn't going to provoke an emotional response from me. You're welcome to say whatever you want about the prophet, but you'll accomplish nothing other than making a public display of your irrational hatred.




I've heard it all before. Islam is "evil" because we don't worship the Dear Sweet Lord Baby Jesus™. Got anything original?


The culture of tard-crazy radical "Christianity" is at war with everything other than itself. Unfortunately for you all, nobody else seems to care.


No, of course not. Knowing the actual message of Islam would require actually learning about the faith, which could possibly lead to - - a reevaluation of your ignorant and hateful position. Like any true radical "Christian," you'd much rather wallow in your own irrationality than expose yourself to knowledge.

Apparently, PI hates anything different than he is, and wants others to kill what he hates.

This is new? I remember, way back when, he thought one of my posts should be 'reported' to homeland security. He said he did so. Hmm, wonder what he does to bobo?

Enemy of the state, eh?

 

[Gunny]

Do you think that Gitmo was able to supply Khalid Sheikh Mohammed with a new T-shirt? One that's not all stretched out?

And why do you think it is so stretched out?

Do you think he climbs his whole body in and out of the head hole like a lady getting into a tight, form fitting dress?

Either a new t or some Nair, please.

 

[Gunny]

Apparently, PI hates anything different than he is, and wants others to kill what he hates.

This is new? I remember, way back when, he thought one of my posts should be 'reported' to homeland security. He said he did so. Hmm, wonder what he does to bobo?

what he and bobo do behind closed doors, is no bodies business

Having intelligent conversations?

 

[Kalam]

Apparently, PI hates anything different than he is, and wants others to kill what he hates.

Forum trolls like PI come to me like fat kids to cake.

They're usually entertaining for a while, though, so I'll see how this plays out.

 

[DiveCon]

This is new? I remember, way back when, he thought one of my posts should be 'reported' to homeland security. He said he did so. Hmm, wonder what he does to bobo?

what he and bobo do behind closed doors, is no bodies business

Having intelligent conversations?

i dont know, and i DONT WANNA KNOW
LOL

 

[xotoxi]

Either a new t or some Nair, please.

Supposedly we got some good info out of him using waterboarding.

However, a roll of duct tape would have yielded more information.

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[PubliusInfinitum]

Is it now? Well let's see how ya do...





They represent no foreign nation. They are not in the military of any foreign nation. They have no legitimate standing as an army.

And actually, labeling them illegal combatants as you have just lends credence to MY argument. They are criminals.

There is a legitimate argument. You refuse to recognize it; yet, you call them POW's in one breath and illegal combatants in the next.

WHICH is it?




YOU pick a side, moron. Before you do, I suggest you get your head out of your ass and learn the facts instead of all this one-sided shit you spew.

When you presume to send me to fight YOUR fucking war, you damned well better have a legitimate reason for me to drop the hammer on ANYONE. Got that, pissant?

Otherwise, get your ass off the sofa and go do your own fucking killing.




I don't recall that I stated the Constitution said a damned thing about it. I only referred to your convoluted ideals that go against the ideals the Constitution represent.

However, dipshit, you just posted above what laws cover illegal combatants. You really aren't good at this.



What church does he attend? You know ... the one you were Hell on wheels about him attending for 20+ years? Yeah, THAT church.

Hypocrite. I don't give a DAMN what Islamic rule you want to pull out your ass when it suits you. I define the man by his actions and his words. Neither add up to your intellectually dishonest accusation.



My argument is simple. You obviously wouldn't know a Marxist if one came up to you wearing a sign that said as much.

You know, I can see why most everyone on this board thinks you're an idiot. You are. Your arguments are twisted bullshit, if not outright lies.

Oh, and shit-for-brains, if you continue to presume to speak down to me, I'm going to light your ass up. I'm too old to take sit off some armchair warrior, chickenhawk piece of shit who is all about killing when the closest you've ever come to it is last night's rerun of Dragnet.

When you put your money where you fucking piehole is maggot, THEN you can presume to talk to me about killing people, and unjustly holding people whose only crime is being Arab/Muslim. I didn't go fight to uphold the Constitution of this nation so people like you can wipe your fucking ass with it.

Sweet fallacious appeal...

If you feel that I've lied, post an argument... you've clearly made the assertion so either support or retract.

Gunny I'll stack my service and experience against whatever ya like... My MOS's are 0341, 0321 and 2111... Averaged 293 Pft and 243 on the range over four years; I've been shot at, shot back and been straight armed clean off the ground to earn my 'never fuck with giants' diploma.

I've been Married 29 years (to the same woman); we've raised three kids, two presently serving in the Corps; Recon Marine and 0352 Tow Gunner... and we're presently adopting a 13 year old foster child... I've been self employed for most of my life and taken risks which would make these socialist fucks piss their collective pants; I've faced felony criminal charges for action taken in defense of my family and I've fought city hall and won... I'm a Licensed Pilot, Certified Scuba Diver and I enjoy long walks on the beach... my turn offs are leftists and those that don't know that they're leftists and my money remains in my mouth; so let's hear what ya have to offer.

And spare me the bravado... I've paid my dues, I already know you're the boss and I'm not challenging your spot on the tree...

I HAVE NOT THREATENED ANYONE; not on this site or anywhere else and the assertion that I have is WHOLLY WITHOUT FOUNDATION...

I'm a supporting member of this site; a regular contributor and I couldn't possibly care less what you or anyone else thinks of me... the only thing I'm concerned with is the argument you advance and the reasoning you utilize in advancing that argument; and when that reasoning fails, you're argument is going to pay the price... that someone gets offended by my opinion, is not my problem... bring a better argument and that should resolve itself.

At this point I have no idea what you're even talking about... I have no respect for Muslims, I see their entire theology as the pure embodiment of evil and their collective presence a real and present threat to civilization on the whole....

If you disagree, SUPER... State an argument and we'll see how it works out.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Only where such is genuine and reflects disrespects Islam...

Disrespect for other believers is not a tenet of Christianity.

ROFL... Really? Is that is far from context as you could drag that? Try to frame your response in the contextual relevance of the point to which you're responding... I find it helps move the conversation along...

But were that to be the case, he would be far more than just apostate, he'd be the most vile reviled species of humanity... the most hated entity in all of Islam... murtad fitri. Which usually results in a Fatwa declaring it the duty of all Muslims to kill the offender.

"Murtad fitri" is inapplicable to Obama because he wasn't born and raised in a society governed by Sharia. Fatawa are nonsense. The only authority that can specify the duties of all Muslims is the Qur'an, which prescribes no punishment for apostasy.

Of course that's the thing about Islam, it seems to be subjective to the individual... Ya have your radical Islam, which deems the world their enemy... murdering innocents on mass, then there's YOU who finds Islam perfectly innoculous and a threat to no one.

You'll have to pardon me, for my not giving a damn and lumping you in with the rest of Islam... 'cause ya see, I see your DEFENSE of Islam to be part and parcel of the problem.

Well I guess that would come to some suprise to those presently suffering under the Fatwas which presently threaten their lives who have been deemed apostates...

What difference would it make to you?

What difference does it make to me that some idiot is decreeing that innocent people should be murdered because they decided Islam isn't for them? Huh... Well In case ya missed it, I'm no fan of Islam and when someone is murdering people that contest Islam, it just strikes me as a tad offensive to my right to tell Islam to kill my ass...

An affirmative answer wouldn't prove that he's a Christian. Muslims going to hell is not a part of Christianity. It would be less idiotic to ask him if he believed in the trinity or whatever.

Actually Muslims going to hell is a distinct and indisputable tenet of Chrisitianty... as the rule is All those who don't belive in Christ are going straight to hell...

So ya see, If he believes as ALL CHRISITIANS MUST: That MUSLIMS WHO HAVE NO ACCEPTED CHRIST, ARE GOING TO HELL... then he's a Christian by faith; but a Muslim by birth.

Writing responses to incendiary letters from random neanderthals rather than addressing important national issues would reflect poorly on the administration.

Oh I see, so asking if the President believes in the minimal tenets of his professed religion, thus demonstrating a distinction between himself and the declared enemy of the nation he is presently 'leading' is incendiary... As I see it, not providing conclusive evidence of his natural US birth and failing to establish himself as believing the basic tenets of his professed faith, reflects poorly on the administration...

I'm not interested in your preaching.

And that is relevant to what?

The Banu Qurayza were executed...

Executed... murdered... it all works out the same. They said the same thing at Nuremberg and it didn't work out as well for the most recent mass murderers of Jews.

Aisha was born before the Call. Her betrothal occurred 10 years after the Call, making her at least ten at that time and fifteen at the time of the consummation of the marriage.

No, she was six...

Ya see my culture is at war with Islam... and has been at war with Islam for coming up on 1400 years.

The culture of tard-crazy radical "Christianity" is at war with everything other than itself. Unfortunately for you all, nobody else seems to care.

YEah... I hear ya sis... the only problem ya have there is that there are no Christians flying airliners full of passengers into Sky scrapers full of office workers... in the name of Christ...

This in stark contrast to the THOUSANDS of Muslims that are strapping on a bomb suit or driving truck loads of explosives and traveling into busy areas full of innocent people, IN THE NAME OF ALLAH.

So I don't really care what Islam on the whole or individual Muslims 'feel' about anything.

No, of course not. Knowing the actual message of Islam would require actually learning about the faith...

Well I'm more moved by the message which the Islamic mass murder is sending... and I can't help but to notice that you're asking me to ignore the mass murder and concentrate on the message... Let me ask ya this sis...

If the message is all about peace... where's the mass murder comin' from? And I know ya want to ignore it, but don't ya find that the WORLD WIDE MASS MURDERING BY MUSLIMS tends to discredit that whole 'we're a peaceful religion' thing?

If not, why not?

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Apparently, PI hates anything different than he is, and wants others to kill what he hates.

Forum trolls like PI come to me like fat kids to cake.

They're usually entertaining for a while, though, so I'll see how this plays out.

Oh it will play out with you demanding that Islam is a peaceful religion... and being wholly unable to explain how it is that this 'religion of peace' is presently at the root of nearly every single war on this planet at the moment...

Where Islam is proven to be an evil boil on humanities ass, you'll run to demand that Islam is a terribly complex religion... that the translations are being misinterpreted and any number of fallacious appeals to varying distractions to avoid the argument.

Nothing particularly unique is likely; of THAT we can be certain.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

I don't know how anybody can say "he's not a Marxist." Darn, that is exactly what he is.. He was a member of a church for 20 years, studied there was mentored there, adhered to the teachings there, received his blessings there,, and guess what that church taught??? Black Liberation Theology,, guess what Black Liberation Theology is rooted in?? you guessed it.. Marxism. The only reason he is not in that church today is he wanted to be the president. . take a look back into history and again,, see the people who he aligned himself with... It wasn't Donald Duck.

The US is rooted in socialism. Does that make you a Marxist?

The US is rooted in Socialism?

ROFLMNAO.. Oh GOD that's precious...

Tell us Gunny, what are these "Socialist Roots" GET SPECIFIC...

Now FTR: The US is not by ANY TWISTED MISREPRESENTATION OF HISTORY... 'Rooted in Socialism...'

LOL... Sweet mother that is HYSTERICAL!