Gitmo prisoners defend 'blessed' 9/11 attack

[Gunny]

ROFLMNAO... Anyone shocked? Muslim terrorists protected by American Leftists... most notably the Leftist President Hussein Obama... Actually PROVING THAT THEY'RE HAPPY and PROUD OF THEIR MASS MURDER...

I expect this to be the shortest thread in USMB history...

Putting these idiots into prison with the garden variety American idiots is a WORLD CLASS bad idea... First, the convicts are already disenfranchised... meaning that virtue of they're SEVERE intellectual limitations they're already not big fans of "America"...

What's more, Islam, due to it's inate socialist nature, is already making disturbing inroads into the US prison system... Thus the terrorist would not be at risk in US federal prisons... they would be CELEBRITIES... they have kicked the shit out of the government which is holding the convicts in PRISON! And their radical, anti-American religion would rip through the population like the prevelent STDs...

Who is protecting them? They are no more protected than any other prisoners awaiting/standing trial.

Soledad is not a Federal facility for one; and, two, American criminals are STILL Americans.

I think you screwed your beanie on too tight. Leftist President Hussein Obama? Get a grip, dude.

ROFL...

Ok Gunny... Whatever you say...

"Everyone KNOWS" that the Left hasn't been doing their collective best to protect the Mass-Murderers at Gitmo and around the world and the Marxist, President Hussein, is not a Leftist... despite the leftist policy he has advanced and stands at this moment doing his level best to implement... You're all over it!

But it's worth reminding you that:

THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS... just as there is no right WRONGS... No UP-DOWNS and NO Black whites....

Of course this presumes that one recognizes that America was founded upon immutable principle and the ideological left stands in direct opposition to those principles... thus where one accepts leftists as Americans one must define "America" in such terms as to reduce the concept to that which is essentially meaningless.

Laugh all you want. Hope you have a mirror handy though because the joke's on YOU.

While I do not agree with the left's argument in regard to the prisoners at GTMO, it is STILL a legitimate argument and legitimate concern. Our laws are not adequate to deal with a "War on Terrorism" where we cannot even identify whether or not the detainees are POWs or criminals.

I agree with the left are one part of the argument ... if they are mass-murderers one and all as you generalize them, charge them, try them and hang them. Your "they're there so they're guilty" mentality is hardly in keeping the principles we as Americans hold dear and you seem to want to throw in MY face.

I see no difference between you and any "leftist." Both of you are quite willing to trample the Constitution to force YOUR ideals on everyone else. The one difference being what those ideals are.

Obama is neither a Marxist nor a Muslim. Get over that shit, huh? You just make people on the right look bad saying that shit.

 

[Toro]

Obama is neither a Marxist nor a Muslim. Get over that shit, huh? You just make people on the right look bad saying that shit.

I just thought this should be repeated.

 

[Gunny]

LOL... So ya didn't get the word?

About the Islamic religion's "innate socialism"? Nah, 'fraid I didn't.

Well that's cool... your assension hasn't been necessity so far...

My what?

Just admit defeat and give up. You'll NEVER figure it out and he probably couldn't explain if he tried.

 

[Kalam]

But much better than the ass kissing going on today.

Maybe. I don't know which ass-kissing you're referring to, but as long as we continue to kiss the royal asses of Arab monarchs, their oppressive governments will continue to breed radicalism. A number of the hijackers were fairly intelligent and well-educated men from Saudi Arabia. Those men were thoroughly indoctrinated by the Kingdom's Wahhabi pseudo-Islamic teachings. The 9/11 attacks were the fruit of Saudi Arabia's state-backed heresy, enabled in part by our purchase of Saudi oil and our aversion towards "disrespecting" his highness the King by criticizing his country's ass-backwardness.

Ok, I'm done. Sorry about the rant.

 

[Kalam]

Just admit defeat and give up. You'll NEVER figure it out and he probably couldn't explain if he tried.

I'll take your word for it.

 

[Gunny]

But much better than the ass kissing going on today.

Maybe. I don't know which ass-kissing you're referring to, but as long as we continue to kiss the royal asses of Arab monarchs, their oppressive governments will continue to breed radicalism. A number of the hijackers were fairly intelligent and well-educated men from Saudi Arabia. Those men were thoroughly indoctrinated by the Kingdom's Wahhabi pseudo-Islamic teachings. The 9/11 attacks were the fruit of Saudi Arabia's state-backed heresy, enabled in part by our purchase of Saudi oil and our aversion towards "disrespecting" his highness the King by criticizing his country's ass-backwardness.

Ok, I'm done. Sorry about the rant.

You aren't the only one that holds that sentiment.

The more ignorant of the rhetoric spewers here have AQ all tied up and in bed with Iran. The fact that Iran is Shia and AQ Wahabbi and that the latter was created as opposition to the former doesn't click in tiny little minds.

 

[DavidS]

What did you expect? Members of al-Qaeda are insane.

"We will attack you, just like you have attacked us, and whomever initiated the attacks is the guilty party."

I find it interesting how they supposedly follow the Qur'an to the letter... you'd think that they'd be able to grasp the principle of fighting in self-defense. Flying hijacked planes into buildings full of innocent civilians does not fall under the category of self-defense. IMO, those found guilty of complicity in the 9/11 attacks should receive a proper Islamic execution courtesy of Saudi Arabia.

But innocent people who have nothing to do with the Israeli government are fine to kill? What a fucking hypocrite.

 

[Kalam]

But innocent people who have nothing to do with the Israeli government are fine to kill? What a fucking hypocrite.

Where'd I say that?

 

[Gunny]

*crickets chirping*

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Who is protecting them? They are no more protected than any other prisoners awaiting/standing trial.

Soledad is not a Federal facility for one; and, two, American criminals are STILL Americans.

I think you screwed your beanie on too tight. Leftist President Hussein Obama? Get a grip, dude.

ROFL...

Ok Gunny... Whatever you say...

"Everyone KNOWS" that the Left hasn't been doing their collective best to protect the Mass-Murderers at Gitmo and around the world and the Marxist, President Hussein, is not a Leftist... despite the leftist policy he has advanced and stands at this moment doing his level best to implement... You're all over it!

But it's worth reminding you that:

THERE ARE NO LEFTIST AMERICANS... just as there is no right WRONGS... No UP-DOWNS and NO Black whites....

Of course this presumes that one recognizes that America was founded upon immutable principle and the ideological left stands in direct opposition to those principles... thus where one accepts leftists as Americans one must define "America" in such terms as to reduce the concept to that which is essentially meaningless.

Laugh all you want. Hope you have a mirror handy though because the joke's on YOU.

Is it now? Well let's see how ya do...

While I do not agree with the left's argument in regard to the prisoners at GTMO, it is STILL a legitimate argument and legitimate concern. Our laws are not adequate to deal with a "War on Terrorism" where we cannot even identify whether or not the detainees are POWs or criminals.

Our "LAWS"? What Laws are ya speaking of Gunny?

We're discussing Prisoners of War... Prisoners which are ILLEGAL COMBATANTS... Illegal in that within the body of international law, combatants who intentionally target and who intentionally utilize civilians as cover and concealment as not considered honorable combatants... This is due to a litanny of reasons which are indisputable... I know the reasons and you know the reasons and there is little point to elaborating...

There are no legitimate leftist arguments... and those relevant to the war on terror are no exception. "To suggest that "WE" can't identify those who are criminals or POWs is absurd on it's face. If an idividual is guilty to the SLIGHTEST DEGREE of complying with Islamic Islam, towards ANY purpose where they are REASONABLY BELIEVED TO HAVE KNOWINGLY COMPLIED WITH TERRORIST OPERATORS, ON ANY LEVEL, ACCEPT WHERE COERCION IS KNOWN TO EXIST, meaning the individual was working AGAINST THEIR WILL... then they ARE ILLEGAL COMBATANTS... that they were not engaged directly in combat is irrelevant... There is no 'criminal' relevance...

You're argument, PLAIN AND SIMPLY seeks to lend credence to these spurious arguments... and in so doing is part and parcel of the problem; where 'the problem' is PROTECTING ISLAMIC TERRORISTS...

I agree with the left are one part of the argument ... if they are mass-murderers one and all as you generalize them, charge them, try them and hang them. Your "they're there so they're guilty" mentality is hardly in keeping the principles we as Americans hold dear and you seem to want to throw in MY face.

Oh I see... so they're there and their presence there has not been reviewed to determine the circumstances which resulted in them being there... is that it Gunny?

The US Military and intelligence agencies are just out there rounding up shop-keepers and goat herders, strapping zips-ties and hoods on them and shipping these poor innocents off to GITMO... because they're extreme-rightwingers with a major hate-on for brown people with funny accents... is that it? They're not bright enough to known when someone is shooting at them, found storing caches of ammunition, explosives, electronics common to building IEDs... or known to harbor those who have attacked US forces...? So instead of catching bad-guys, they just grab who-ever...? And the US Military is not capable of determining just-cause... that requires a full and open Federal trial in Berkely... ?

It's a war Gunny... pick a fucking side. Pretending it's not a war isn't much of an excuse; it didn't work on 9/11/01 and it's not going to work today.

I see no difference between you and any "leftist."

Well that doesn't bode well for your intellectual means...

Both of you are quite willing to trample the Constitution to force YOUR ideals on everyone else.

Gunny, would you please lead me to what the US Constitution has to say about the treatment of illegal combatants in time of war? Now please, be as specific as you can be... I am REALLY interested in finding this heretofore unknown section of the US Constitution.

Obama is neither a Marxist nor a Muslim.

NO? Islam says he's a Muslim... as he was born to a Muslim Father. If you don't like that I suggest you take it up with Islam.

Hussein's advocacy of Marxist policy, his longstanding associations with Marxists, of which several Marxist Terrorists are counted and his adherence to Marxist dogma say otherwise... your wishful thinking aside; Marxists exist Gunny and your President is what they look like.

Perhaps you'd like to define Marxism and show us what YOU FEEL a Marxist should look like... Perhaps you feel that those who advocate for policies which adhere to Marxist principle are not Marxist... State an argument...

Get over that shit, huh? You just make people on the right look bad saying that shit.

ROFL... 'look bad' to whom?

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

But much better than the ass kissing going on today.

Maybe. I don't know which ass-kissing you're referring to, but as long as we continue to kiss the royal asses of Arab monarchs, their oppressive governments will continue to breed radicalism. A number of the hijackers were fairly intelligent and well-educated men from Saudi Arabia. Those men were thoroughly indoctrinated by the Kingdom's Wahhabi pseudo-Islamic teachings. The 9/11 attacks were the fruit of Saudi Arabia's state-backed heresy, enabled in part by our purchase of Saudi oil and our aversion towards "disrespecting" his highness the King by criticizing his country's ass-backwardness.

Ok, I'm done. Sorry about the rant.

You aren't the only one that holds that sentiment.

The more ignorant of the rhetoric spewers here have AQ all tied up and in bed with Iran. The fact that Iran is Shia and AQ Wahabbi and that the latter was created as opposition to the former doesn't click in tiny little minds.

ROFLMNAO... You're confusing "terrorist" with AQ... Iran is up to their brown little asses in terrorism and specifically terrorism by proxy, against the US, her interests and allies... and I have to believe that you're familiar with the concept of cooperation of those who wouldotherwise be inalterable opponents... Take for instance the alliance between the US and the Soviet Union when we were fighting the Axis powers of fascism and Japanese imperialism...

 

[Kalam]

NO? Islam says he's a Muslim... as he was born to a Muslim Father. If you don't like that I suggest you take it up with Islam.

If you want to go by Sharia, he's technically an apostate.

 

[jillian]

no no no, they are all goat hearders and taxi drivers
innocent as the driven snow

who ever said that, DC? If they're guilty charge them and try them like the blind sheikh was tried and convicted for the first attack on the WTC.

and if the bush admin let the dude out, I figure there had to be a good reason, no? it's not like they were warm and fuzzy or respected law.

 

[WillowTree]

I don't know how anybody can say "he's not a Marxist." Darn, that is exactly what he is.. He was a member of a church for 20 years, studied there was mentored there, adhered to the teachings there, received his blessings there,, and guess what that church taught??? Black Liberation Theology,, guess what Black Liberation Theology is rooted in?? you guessed it.. Marxism. The only reason he is not in that church today is he wanted to be the president. . take a look back into history and again,, see the people who he aligned himself with... It wasn't Donald Duck.

 

[Xenophon]

It should be mandatory for those truther douchebags to read this thread.

 

[DiveCon]

no no no, they are all goat hearders and taxi drivers
innocent as the driven snow

who ever said that, DC? If they're guilty charge them and try them like the blind sheikh was tried and convicted for the first attack on the WTC.

and if the bush admin let the dude out, I figure there had to be a good reason, no? it's not like they were warm and fuzzy or respected law.

they let them out because they didnt have a case that would stand up in a US court of law
not because they were innocent
someone can be guilty as hell and not have a substancial case against them (case in point William Ayers)

 

[DiveCon]

It should be mandatory for those truther douchebags to read this thread.

they will just claim they were FORCED to say this or that they are part of the conspiracy


so far i think they have about 75% of the world population as part of the conspiracy

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

NO? Islam says he's a Muslim... as he was born to a Muslim Father. If you don't like that I suggest you take it up with Islam.

If you want to go by Sharia, he's technically an apostate.

Is he? Can ya site the declaration where Hussein renouced Islam? I mean if you can produce that, well then I suppose ya got me... Of course if ya can't... then we're gonna have to go with his being born to a Muslim Father and raised as a Muslim...

Best of luck...

I tell ya what... Let's do this... Why don't you send letters asking President Hussein to answer the question: "Are Muslims going to hell?" Maybe you can get through, my request came back with a form letter thanking me for my concerns about the new administration... with no mention of my question.

But you get the idea I'm sure... Hussein claims to be a Christian and as such his understanding would thus be that absent Muslims asking Jesus Christ to be their Lord and Savior... Muslims are going straight to hell... No virgins... just eternal damnation for being so short sighted as to worship a mass murdering pedophile.

But hey... what secularist isn't going straight to hell... Right?

 

[Abelian Sea]

Can ya site the declaration where Hussein renouced Islam?

...

Hussein claims to be a Christian ...

Wouldn't a claim of being a Christian necessarily imply a renouncement of religions that teach contrary doctrines?

 

[Kalam]

Is he? Can ya site the declaration where Hussein renouced Islam? I mean if you can produce that, well then I suppose ya got me... Of course if ya can't... then we're gonna have to go with his being born to a Muslim Father and raised as a Muslim...

If he was a Muslim, his attending a Christian church, swearing on a Bible, and proclaiming faith in Christianity would be considered apostasy.

I tell ya what... Let's do this... Why don't you send letters asking President Hussein to answer the question: "Are Muslims going to hell?"

Why?

Maybe you can get through, my request came back with a form letter thanking me for my concerns about the new administration... with no mention of my question.

Wouldn't it reflect poorly on the current administration if they actually took the time to answer every inane question sent to the White House?

But you get the idea I'm sure... Hussein claims to be a Christian and as such his understanding would thus be that absent Muslims asking Jesus Christ to be their Lord and Savior... Muslims are going straight to hell... No virgins... just eternal damnation for being so short sighted as to worship a mass murdering pedophile.

Muslims don't worship Muhammad, ﷺ. Muhammad, like Jesus and Moses before him, was only a mortal and a messenger. Worship of a man or anything less than God himself would be sinful. If you can cite an example of Muhammad carrying out "mass murder," do so. Otherwise, please stop slandering him. I'm not sure what you mean by "pedophile." If you're referring to Muhammad's wife Aisha, she was between 15 and 20 years old at the time of the consummation of her marriage with Muhammad.