Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

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    Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help



    WESTON, Wis. — An 11-year-old girl died after her parents prayed for healing rather than seek medical help for a treatable form of diabetes, police said Tuesday.

    Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin said Madeline Neumann died Sunday.

    "She got sicker and sicker until she was dead," he said.

    Vergin said an autopsy determined the girl died from diabetic ketoacidosis, an ailment that left her with too little insulin in her body, and she had probably been ill for about 30 days, suffering symptoms like nausea, vomiting, excessive thirst, loss of appetite and weakness.

    The girl's parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, attributed the death to "apparently they didn't have enough faith," the police chief said.

    They believed the key to healing "was it was better to keep praying. Call more people to help pray," he said.

    The mother believes the girl could still be resurrected, the police chief said.

    Telephone messages left at the Neumann home by The Associated Press were not immediately returned.

    The family does not attend an organized church or participate in an organized religion, Vergin said. "They have a little Bible study of a few people."

    The parents told investigators their daughter last saw a doctor when she was 3 to get some shots, Vergin said. The girl had attended public school during the first semester but didn't return for the second semester.

    Officers went to the home after one of the girl's relatives in California called police to check on her, Vergin said. She was taken to a hospital where she was pronounced dead.

    The relative was fearful the girl was "extremely ill, dire," Vergin said.

    The girl has three siblings, ranging in age from 13 to 16, the police chief said.

    "They are still in the home," he said. "There is no reason to remove them. There is no abuse or signs of abuse that we can see."

    The girl's death remains under investigation and the findings will be forwarded to the district attorney to review for possible charges, the chief said.

    The family operates a coffee shop in Weston, which is a suburb of Wausau, Vergin said.


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    Madeline Kara Neumann is shown working on chalk art last summer during downtown Wausau's Chalk Fest.

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    It is called freedom of religion. Though I have no problem with the State forcing parents of children under 16 to use doctors and medical services where exactly do you draw the line. My opinion on the matter would to some violate the 1st Amendment.
     
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    Wow, that's not far from where my mom lives. Wisconsin is pretty libertarian as it is. I don't know all the laws there, but I don't think they would have legislation that requires people to seek medical help.

    What it does do is show just how ridiculous religion can be. It warped these people's minds that much, that they actually thought they could pray their daughter to health. That's pretty fucked up.
     
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    yup..

    lethal neglect sure is freedom of religion.

    yup.


    948.21
    948.21 Neglecting a child.

    948.21(1)
    (1) Any person who is responsible for a child's welfare who, through his or her actions or failure to take action, intentionally contributes to the neglect of the child is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor or, if death is a consequence, a Class D felony.

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    What are you trying to say?
     
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    apparently, killing your kid in the name of jebus is ok for eleven year olds with diabetes....


    ...but let a zygote go unbirthed and see what happensn.
     
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    That an argument that this is protected by the 1st Amendment is viable. Freedom of Religion is given in that Amendment. Forcing someone to violate their religious beliefs is not allowed. So the case becomes one of where does the Freedom end and the right of the Government to control begin.
     
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    I hear you. But what in the law constitutes "failure to take action"? What action does the law require?

    There are natural remedies that can do just as good, if not better jobs than pharamceutical drugs. Now I don't know if the parents were using home remedies, or if they were just relying on the "power of the good lord", but I'm not sure if not taking your kid to an actual doctor can be considered "failure to take action".
     
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    Did you bother to read the state law? so, your religion lets you kill kids rather than force the devils insulin, eh? ridiculous.
     
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    You are aware religion can be used to prevent transfusions?
     

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