Gerrymandering in WI now going to Supreme Court

[Derelict_Drvr]

A bit of information on how Electoral College Electors are chosen.

Usually, political parties nominate electors at their state conventions. Sometimes that process occurs by a vote of the party's central committee. The electors are usually state-elected officials, party leaders, or people with a strong affiliation with the party of the Presidential candidate chosen by the state's voters.

 

[Penelope]

A bit of information on how Electoral College Electors are chosen.

Usually, political parties nominate electors at their state conventions. Sometimes that process occurs by a vote of the party's central committee. The electors are usually state-elected officials, party leaders, or people with a strong affiliation with the party of the Presidential candidate chosen by the state's voters.

and It needs to be done with.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

This is big time, the same thing happened here in Mi . More proof the wrong person won the election.
I doubt the polls were wrong, they didn't take into account gerrymandering and the extent of it.

Law

Wisconsin Republicans' Gerrymander Takes Politics Too Far

Noah Feldman is a Bloomberg View columnist. He is a professor of constitutional and international law at Harvard University and was a clerk to U.S. Supreme Court Justice David Souter. His books include “Cool War: The Future of Global Competition” and “Divided by God: America’s Church-State Problem -- and What We Should Do About It.”
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Almost three-quarters of state legislatures are in Republican hands, which demonstrates how dangerous partisan gerrymandering is to the continued viability of two-party democracy. Partisan gerrymandering entrenches small advantages and makes them big. Because state legislatures set federal congressional districts, this is a part of the reason the U.S. House is so heavily Republican.

With the political branches of government in Republican hands, any reform must come from the courts. The Wisconsin case may become the most important judicial decision of our political era.

Wisconsin Republicans' Gerrymander Takes Politics Too Far

What does gerrymandering have to do with Trump winning Wisconsin, tard?

 

[Penelope]

This is big time, the same thing happened here in Mi . More proof the wrong person won the election.
I doubt the polls were wrong, they didn't take into account gerrymandering and the extent of it.

Law

Wisconsin Republicans' Gerrymander Takes Politics Too Far

Noah Feldman is a Bloomberg View columnist. He is a professor of constitutional and international law at Harvard University and was a clerk to U.S. Supreme Court Justice David Souter. His books include “Cool War: The Future of Global Competition” and “Divided by God: America’s Church-State Problem -- and What We Should Do About It.”
Read More.

119

Nov 22, 2016 12:40 PM EST


Snip

Almost three-quarters of state legislatures are in Republican hands, which demonstrates how dangerous partisan gerrymandering is to the continued viability of two-party democracy. Partisan gerrymandering entrenches small advantages and makes them big. Because state legislatures set federal congressional districts, this is a part of the reason the U.S. House is so heavily Republican.

With the political branches of government in Republican hands, any reform must come from the courts. The Wisconsin case may become the most important judicial decision of our political era.

Wisconsin Republicans' Gerrymander Takes Politics Too Far

What does gerrymandering have to do with Trump winning Wisconsin, tard?

I guess we shall find out at the Supreme Court hey. The EC needs to go, it came as a time when people didn't vote, only a few from each state, the elites of the state, as the rest of the people weren't up on politics and many didn't even read. So some politicians vote from each state. Times have changed, although some are still poorly educated.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

What does gerrymandering have to do with Trump winning Wisconsin, tard?

I guess we shall find out at the Supreme Court hey.

Gerrymandering has absolutely nothing to do with the presidential race. It has to do with Congressional and legislative districts.

The EC needs to go, it came as a time when people didn't vote, only a few from each state, the elites of the state, as the rest of the people weren't up on politics and many didn't even read. So some politicians vote from each state.

That has absolutely nothing to do with why we have the EC. You are completely ignorant on the history of our government

Times have changed, although some are still poorly educated.

But I'll bet you don't count yourself in those numbers, huh.

 

[Derelict_Drvr]

A bit of information on how Electoral College Electors are chosen.

Usually, political parties nominate electors at their state conventions. Sometimes that process occurs by a vote of the party's central committee. The electors are usually state-elected officials, party leaders, or people with a strong affiliation with the party of the Presidential candidate chosen by the state's voters.

and It needs to be done with.

So, you are really saying is you want to leave the election of the President up to 10 or 12 Sates, thereby disenfranchising 75 to 80% of the country? Now THAT'S a Representative Republic.. Contrary to what the Democrats try to convince us of, America is NOT a Democracy, and saying it is won't change that. America never has been, nor will it ever be a Democracy.

You really, really need to take a course on American Government, Penelope. You really do.

 

[Derelict_Drvr]

I guess we shall find out at the Supreme Court hey. The EC needs to go, it came as a time when people didn't vote, only a few from each state, the elites of the state, as the rest of the people weren't up on politics and many didn't even read. So some politicians vote from each state. Times have changed, although some are still poorly educated.

The number of people that couldn't read, or did/didn't vote had nothing to do with the EC being Constitutionally created. Even when the Constitution was written the Founders knew that highly populous states would determine the outcome of a Presidential race, so therefore they created the Electoral College so that EVERY voter in EVERY state has a voice in who their President will be.

I also believe you don't have a clue about what it would take to end the use of the Electoral College. Let me fill you in. 1st, Congress has to approve a resolution to write an Amendment. Then it would take a ratification by 66% of the members of each house of Congress. After each house of Congress ratifies the Amendment by a super majority. It is only then sent to the states,where 36 (75%) of the states have to ratify it. Then, and only then, will the Amendment be added to the Constitution. Another avenue is by a Constitutional Convention However, none of the 27 Amendments have been ratified in that manner.

Constitutional Amendment Process

Do you really think the citizens of 24 states would vote to politically disenfranchise themselves from the process? If you do, you truly are living in another dimension.

Penelope, trying to educate you is like having a gunfight with an unarmed man. It is quickly becoming not fun. You have no idea what you are talking about, and only regurgitating Democrat talking points. It appears you can't, or don't, have the capacity to to think for yourself, or to do research something and form your own opinions.

If you think that Taz and/or myself are telling you wrong and only trying to mislead, I recommend you go to the library and check-out some books on the American Government and read about what we've been telling you. Educate yourself..

 

[Derelict_Drvr]

I guess we shall find out at the Supreme Court hey. The EC needs to go, it came as a time when people didn't vote, only a few from each state, the elites of the state, as the rest of the people weren't up on politics and many didn't even read. So some politicians vote from each state. Times have changed, although some are still poorly educated.

The number of people that couldn't read, or did/didn't vote had nothing to do with the EC being Constitutionally created. Even when the Constitution was written the Founders knew that highly populous states would determine the outcome of a Presidential race, so therefore they created the Electoral College so that EVERY voter in EVERY state has a voice in who their President will be.

I also believe you don't have a clue about what it would take to end the use of the Electoral College. Let me fill you in. 1st, Congress has to approve a resolution to write an Amendment. Then it would take a ratification by 66% of the members of each house of Congress. After each house of Congress ratifies the Amendment by a super majority. It is only then sent to the states,where 36 (75%) of the states have to ratify it. Then, and only then, will the Amendment be added to the Constitution. Another avenue is by a Constitutional Convention However, none of the 27 Amendments have been ratified in that manner.

Constitutional Amendment Process

Do you really think the citizens of 24 states would vote to politically disenfranchise themselves from the process? If you do, you truly are living in another dimension.

Penelope, trying to educate you is like having a gunfight with an unarmed man. It is quickly becoming not fun. You have no idea what you are talking about, and only regurgitating Democrat talking points. It appears you can't, or don't, have the capacity to to think for yourself, or to do research something and form your own opinions.

If you think that Taz and/or myself are telling you wrong and only trying to mislead, I recommend you go to the library and check-out some books on the American Government and read about what we've been telling you. Educate yourself..

p.s, Penelope, if you believe that a Democrat President (or ANY President , for that matter) can cause an Amendment to get rid of the Electoral College, you are sadly mistaken. "Since the President does not have a constitutional role in the amendment process, the joint resolution does not go to the White House for signature or approval." In other words, since the President can't submit bills to Congress, his only authority is to sign or veto them. So, as stated above, without being able to influence the resolution in any manner, the President is powerless in the Amendment process.

(I bet that chaps your butt)

 

[jon_berzerk]

Once again, how does gerrymandering sway a national election?

Take Mi for example: one can do by partisan or racial divide. To get a better understanding read the whole
article. Every 10 years a census is taken to see population of a state, an a change in population changes the electoral college points. Due to changes in pop , congressional lines are changed.
All it takes is a few votes for the pop. vote to be null and void.

Gerrymandering in Michigan, explained | Capital News Service

And well you know how much Mi was in play this time, along with WI and NC. Mi and those state, do not divide the Electoral College points, as far as I know only 2 states do. So if a state has 20 Electoral College points and 11 of them go Dem , the Dems get all 20. They say MI EC goes by the maj vote , but it really doesn't.

That makes absolutely no sense. It doesn't matter what district the votes come from, those votes are still counted in the total for that state.

That makes absolutely no sense.

of course not but it helps the retards feel better about losing the election though

--LOL

 

[Penelope]

A bit of information on how Electoral College Electors are chosen.

Usually, political parties nominate electors at their state conventions. Sometimes that process occurs by a vote of the party's central committee. The electors are usually state-elected officials, party leaders, or people with a strong affiliation with the party of the Presidential candidate chosen by the state's voters.

and It needs to be done with.

So, you are really saying is you want to leave the election of the President up to 10 or 12 Sates, thereby disenfranchising 75 to 80% of the country? Now THAT'S a Representative Republic.. Contrary to what the Democrats try to convince us of, America is NOT a Democracy, and saying it is won't change that. America never has been, nor will it ever be a Democracy.

You really, really need to take a course on American Government, Penelope. You really do.

Actually someone said on TV last night the people in say Wyoming are more represented than those in CA.
In CA more pop equals 1 EC , whereas in Wyoming less people make up 1 EC.

 

[Penelope]

Times are changing, its called progress. Gee even you Pres. Elect said he didn't like the EC, till he won, but then if he knew it was by pop vote , he would of ran his campaign differently.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Times are changing, its called progress. Gee even you Pres. Elect said he didn't like the EC, till he won, but then if he knew it was by pop vote , he would of ran his campaign differently.

And you want to change the election process get an amendment passed. Pretty simple concept.

 

[Penelope]

Times are changing, its called progress. Gee even you Pres. Elect said he didn't like the EC, till he won, but then if he knew it was by pop vote , he would of ran his campaign differently.

And you want to change the election process get an amendment passed. Pretty simple concept.

This election will start a lot of progress forward towards it.

 

[Derelict_Drvr]

Times are changing, its called progress. Gee even you Pres. Elect said he didn't like the EC, till he won, but then if he knew it was by pop vote , he would of ran his campaign differently.

And you want to change the election process get an amendment passed. Pretty simple concept.

This election will start a lot of progress forward towards it.

You're hopeless. You're nothing but a Democrat shill, spouting Democrat talking points and not having a clue about what you're saying. Typically Democrat, you don't let facts stand in the way of your narrative, or the repercussions from the things you want to change or abolish.

Thank GOD Hillary didn't get elected. After 8 years of Obama, then adding HRC to the mix, America would have become nearly a 3rd world country. Or, at the very least, a failed State with a failed economy. In other words, another Greece.

Life must be bliss in The Land of "Tools".