Germany IS Emulating the French

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    I guess I've been wrong, links, a call to action, and pics:

    http://medienkritik.typepad.com/blog/2005/02/america_you_jus.html

     
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    Four years ago, I went to school in Munchen, among the German "intellectual" elite. The word "cowboy" was not yet in vogue, but anti-Americanism certainly was. I had many conversations about international relations with young Germans, and some older professors. There is a definite awareness in Germans of the domestic and international atrocities committed 60 years ago. But I also noticed a willingness to believe that such atrocities were exaggerated and that Germany was barbarically bombed by the allies. In other words, young Germans feel oppressed and maligned regarding the past. They say, “that was not us.” Moreover, they feel that their chief oppressor is the "Jewish controlled" United States (quotes are from my conversations with Germans). They believe that America and Israel often focus on unjustly reminding Germany of its past. I believe that many in Germany are ashamed of the past, but it relieves their mass psychology of historical guilt and angst to see America having a difficult time in Iraq. Certainly there are many Germans who hope that America fails in Iraq. Germans could not care less about Iraqis; but they do believe that "Jewish controlled" America is getting what it deserves. Perhaps "nosarcasm" will disagree. But I was startled by the fact that I met more people hostile to America in my first week of living in Germany, than I did in two years of living in Shanghai.
     
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    Very depressing and brings to mind the quotation:

    "Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. In the first stage of life the mind is frivolous and easily distracted, it misses progress by failing in consecutiveness and persistence. This is the condition of children and barbarians, in which instinct has learned nothing from experience."
    George Santayana (1863 - 1952), The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905
     
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    since the beginning of the Iraq war I d think that is a very accurate
    desciption of the college kids attitudes. While the left (that also dominates
    the educational system in Germany) has always been anti- American to a degree the new mix is conservative/nationalist that are sick of hearing
    about the holocaust and having to prove that are not "Nazis".
    Combined with the bad press for Bush and his neoconservatives there
    is a large anti American movement in Germany representing the 80% or so that are against the war in Iraq.

    The Neo Nazi partys always have made it occasionally into the state parliament. Usually after 4 years they do not get reelected. But
    only they are the ones that openly compare terror bombings with the
    holocaust. (which caused quite some stir).
     

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