George Will On NYC Soda Ban: 'The Essence Of Contemporary Liberalism,...

[gallantwarrior]

Man, he sure did. Once Obamacare kicks in, Big Brother will completely own the People. They will truly be enslaved. If you want the Government Freebie, you'll have to accept being Big Brother's obedient slave. Most Americans just don't understand that. All they see are the possible Enititlement Freebies. But nothing is free. You always pay, one way or another.

Though I don't support Obamacare, I think you're being a tad over-dramatic when saying that once it "kicks in", "Big Brother will completely own the people".

How do you figure?

Once Big Brother owns your body, you've become his obedient slave. It's the ultimate coup for Big Brother. But most Americans are enticed by the possible Entitlement Freebies. They know not what they do. Nothing is free. You always pay one way or another. And sacrificing your Freedom & Liberty for a few possible Freebies, is the ulitmate price to pay.

Not to mention the unintended consequences.

 

[sfcalifornia]

Nanny/Police Staters are currently in control of both Political Parties. The Republicans are far from 'doing nothing.' They're all-in too.

Really? How are the Republicans contributing to the Nanny State with regards to America's obesity problem?

In the past, they have implemented similar absurd Big Brother over-reaches. Bloomberg is a former Republican.

I don't think Bloomberg really knows what political party he wants to belong to.

I'd love to know specifically what policies Republicans have introduced to assist in combatting America's obesity problem.

 

[Foxfyre]

Man, he sure did. Once Obamacare kicks in, Big Brother will completely own the People. They will truly be enslaved. If you want the Government Freebie, you'll have to accept being Big Brother's obedient slave. Most Americans just don't understand that. All they see are the possible Enititlement Freebies. But nothing is free. You always pay, one way or another.

Though I don't support Obamacare, I think you're being a tad over-dramatic when saying that once it "kicks in", "Big Brother will completely own the people".

How do you figure?

Anticipating that if the government provides your health care, they will also issue edicts that will govern what behavior is "healthy" and "unhealthy". Since the expense of health care will skyrocket, the government will necessarily need to find cost-saving measures. If they can prove that you have conducted yourself in an "unhealthy" manner, you will be denied care. You WILL adhere to the "healthy" lifestyle or you WILL be denied healthcare, i.e. you will die miserably in the gutter.

Naw, they won't deny you care. But they will have a great excuse to charge you a hellava lot more to get it.

 

[RockyRacoon]

Paranoid much!! Banning large soft drinks is not a democrat or liberal goal, it's a Bloomberg goal. It has nothing to do with ObamaCare (which is not a government take over of health care) and everything to do with Michael Bloomberg getting his name in the headlines.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

War on Obesity now? If they did do that you LOLberals would be claiming they are ruining freedom.

LOLberals, they absolutely never seize to amaze.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Now that Bloomberg has started down this slippery slope, what will he force the people to understand next?

You can't blame soda drinks for all the obesity, so this is just the start. He'll have to limit fried foods and all sweets. I know in my state, restaurants have stopped putting sugar on the tables. They have the diet sweeteners, which I won't touch, and you have to ask for real sugar.

The government has taken junk food and sodas out of the schools. Our school hasn't had carbonated sodas for 8 years, yet the obesity problem continues. The kids here that weigh the most just happen to be those on welfare. Of course, families take the government up on every freebie and there are too many programs, more than is needed. It just means that people take all that is offered and it seems to be too much. There are no restrictions on the type of food that can be bought with the EBT cards. Actually, there is no limit at all since people were using them at tattoo parlors and nail salons. Then they take advantage of other programs for the free food. On top of that, the government wants to feed kids as much as possible while at school. I think too many are over eating simply because it's offered. The government helped create a problem and are now using this to insert themselves further into our lives.

Once they are successful with a power grab, they never give it up and just want more. There will be another ban, then another................

I wonder how a mandatory, government provided gym membership would affect obesity. In order to get your food stamps, you have to provide proof that you, and your fat brats, have gone to the gym, or in some other way participated in intense physical activity?

 

[paulitician]

Man, he sure did. Once Obamacare kicks in, Big Brother will completely own the People. They will truly be enslaved. If you want the Government Freebie, you'll have to accept being Big Brother's obedient slave. Most Americans just don't understand that. All they see are the possible Enititlement Freebies. But nothing is free. You always pay, one way or another.

Though I don't support Obamacare, I think you're being a tad over-dramatic when saying that once it "kicks in", "Big Brother will completely own the people".

How do you figure?

Anticipating that if the government provides your health care, they will also issue edicts that will govern what behavior is "healthy" and "unhealthy". Since the expense of health care will skyrocket, the government will necessarily need to find cost-saving measures. If they can prove that you have conducted yourself in an "unhealthy" manner, you will be denied care. You WILL adhere to the "healthy" lifestyle or you WILL be denied healthcare, i.e. you will die miserably in the gutter.

Bingo! You want the Big Brother Freebie, you'll have to become his bitch. Nothing is free. You always pay one way or another. To be Big Brother's Bitch, or not to be. That is the question.

 

[paulitician]

First response, before reading the rest of the thread:
"Forcing you to understand." Did just leap out. What else do they want to force us to understand? And to what extent are they willing to apply force? Is there a limit on the amount of force that will be used, should we fail to understand? That there is some scary shit.
Now I'm wondering whether the availability of soft drinks during formative years plays a role in: a) adult obesity, b) whether you tend to drink them as an adult. When we were kids, getting a soft drink was a HUGE reward. While my mother (who was never even overweight, even after bearing 8 children) had a stash of Pepsi, we were given Koolaid, milk, or water. Coming from a "poor" family, the sugar in the Koolaid was always at most half the recommended amount. There are two potential studies suggested by the woman's comment: one is, does having only Koolaid available for children to drink help combat obesity and two, does having only Koolaid available to drink as a child predispose you to becoming a liberal?

They want to force you to STFU and do what Big Brother tells you. That pretty much sums up the Nanny/Police Staters.

What makes it even more hilarious is these dizzy LOLberals will call it freedom while they do it.

Yup and don't forget, it's for the childen too.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Yes. Those in power, once they have the power, rarely ever give any of it up but rather become addicted to it and seek more and more of it. More importantly, if they are liberal, they will focus on the 'right and wrong' activities of people in society and seek more and more regulation of that.

The government rightfully promotes the general welfare by regulating the proper content and treatment of products that the people cannot realistically test for themselves. I don't mind full disclosure of the contents of a packaged product re salt, fat content, etc. as those of us who read labels make very good use of that. It also helps those with allergies know what products to avoid.

But when it comes down to dictating the size of a soft drink that can legally be sold, that is taking it to unacceptable extremes. What's next? The size of an ice cream sundae--limit it to the 1/2 cup serving as listed on the ice cream package? The size of a Krispy Kreme doughnut? Potato chips limited to small single servings?

It is so very unfortunate that some critical information is not included on labels. Whether GMOs are used in the production of a product is not yet dictated. Again, big agri producers of GMO foodstuffs (if you want to call that food) have managed to keep government from dictating their presence.
I use food labels when shopping. I try to produce as much of my own stuff as I can. Dairy is a big thing for me, I have my own milk, cheese, yogurt, kefir, etc. I can butcher an animal when I run out of wild game. I grow lots of stuff, or buy locally grown food when I can.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Though I don't support Obamacare, I think you're being a tad over-dramatic when saying that once it "kicks in", "Big Brother will completely own the people".

How do you figure?

Once Big Brother owns your body, you've become his obedient slave. It's the ultimate coup for Big Brother. But most Americans are enticed by the possible Entitlement Freebies. They know not what they do. Nothing is free. You always pay one way or another. And sacrificing your Freedom & Liberty for a few possible Freebies, is the ulitmate price to pay.

Still though - Paul - "Obamacare" is not socialized medicine. There are still going to be private health insurance companies, and the great majority of people won't experience any sort of significant change at all. Really all it does (if I understand correctly), is sort of "force" people to buy insurance.

Again, I don't like the plan, but saying that it's akin to the Government "owning" your body is a over-dramatization of the actual situation before us.

That's what they want you to believe. Of course, when private insurance no longer provides profits (bad word, sorry), the only thing left to us will be government, single-payer insurance. THAT is the ultimate plan.

 

[paulitician]

The American People will have to decide. Do they want this Nanny/Police State or not? Time's running out. The clock is ticking.

 

[KevinWestern]

Though I don't support Obamacare, I think you're being a tad over-dramatic when saying that once it "kicks in", "Big Brother will completely own the people".

How do you figure?

Anticipating that if the government provides your health care, they will also issue edicts that will govern what behavior is "healthy" and "unhealthy". Since the expense of health care will skyrocket, the government will necessarily need to find cost-saving measures. If they can prove that you have conducted yourself in an "unhealthy" manner, you will be denied care. You WILL adhere to the "healthy" lifestyle or you WILL be denied healthcare, i.e. you will die miserably in the gutter.

Bingo! You want the Big Brother Freebie, you'll have to become his bitch. Nothing is free. You always pay one way or another. To be Big Brother's Bitch, or not to be. That is the question.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand under Obamacare I will still be purchasing my own insurance via a private insurer. The money to purchase that insurance will still be coming out of my own personal paycheck, just as it is today..

So, what "freebie" am I getting exactly?

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[paulitician]

Anticipating that if the government provides your health care, they will also issue edicts that will govern what behavior is "healthy" and "unhealthy". Since the expense of health care will skyrocket, the government will necessarily need to find cost-saving measures. If they can prove that you have conducted yourself in an "unhealthy" manner, you will be denied care. You WILL adhere to the "healthy" lifestyle or you WILL be denied healthcare, i.e. you will die miserably in the gutter.

Bingo! You want the Big Brother Freebie, you'll have to become his bitch. Nothing is free. You always pay one way or another. To be Big Brother's Bitch, or not to be. That is the question.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand under Obamacare I will still be purchasing my own insurance via a private insurer. The money to purchase that insurance will still be coming out of my own personal paycheck, just as it is today..

So, what "freebie" am I getting exactly?

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Then why do you need Obamacare? Why is Big Brother involved at all? Think about that for a bit.

 

[Foxfyre]

In this case, because ignorant parents let their kids fall victim to corporate advertising and let them get fat and then their kids grew up and are now perpetuating the obesity problem.

Bloomberg's idea is an overreach in my opinion but Republican do-nothing approach isn't working very well either.

Government regulation isn't the answer either. Generally the more government tries to regulate 'sin', the more of it we have because it is human nature to want what somebody else tells us we are not allowed to have. Give people the freedom to work out their problems and they generally come to the right decisions.

How is the freedom to work out America's obesity problem working so far? Obesity rates are climbing.

Any ideas on how to get America to change it's tune?

If you believe in freedom, that would include somebody's freedom to become fat if they choose a lifestyle that results in obesity. If you believe in social contract, traditional values, and culture, you also believe in promoting--not requiring but promoting--a culture in which parents parent their kids again, who restrict their time on the Playstations and in front of the television set and send them out to play. That's where the emphasis must be and though the government can encourage it, it cannot require it of a free people.

But culture and peer pressure is a powerful thing. It starts with us and our own lifestyle and our own kids. And when it produces positive results it catches on.

Governent restrictions on the size of a soft drink that you can buy is restriction on choice and should be rejected by every freedom loving American. It is a band-ade that doesn't even touch the wound and does nothing to address the actual problem. And it is a power that we should never allow government to have re a legal substance.

 

[gallantwarrior]

'Forcing you to understand?' Yeah, Will sure did nail it. Very preposterous and sinister. How did the Nanny/Police Staters take control of our Country?

In this case, because ignorant parents let their kids fall victim to corporate advertising and let them get fat and then their kids grew up and are now perpetuating the obesity problem.

Bloomberg's idea is an overreach in my opinion but Republican do-nothing approach isn't working very well either.

What's really laughable, parents and grandparents like my daughter and I, are being hampered in our efforts to ensure that our children will be forbidden the ability to not only participate in good physical activities, they will be denied a solid upbringing in a trade or professional training. I operate a small dairy farm. The youngsters are expected to help with chores and assume increasing responsibility as they are ready. The Feds have proposed legislation that would severely curtail their participation in this family business. So, instead of working at chores, they finish their homework and sit around watching the boob-toob or playing computer games. Hell, I guess it helps their hand-eye coordintation...
OK, I'll admit, we don't have TV so they are forced to READ. I'm waiting for the Feds to outlaw reading.

 

[ClosedCaption]

In this case, because ignorant parents let their kids fall victim to corporate advertising and let them get fat and then their kids grew up and are now perpetuating the obesity problem.

Bloomberg's idea is an overreach in my opinion but Republican do-nothing approach isn't working very well either.

Government regulation isn't the answer either. Generally the more government tries to regulate 'sin', the more of it we have because it is human nature to want what somebody else tells us we are not allowed to have. Give people the freedom to work out their problems and they generally come to the right decisions.

How is the freedom to work out America's obesity problem working so far? Obesity rates are climbing.

Any ideas on how to get America to change it's tune?

Good question and one the people who scream "freeeeedom" never can answer

 

[gallantwarrior]

In this case, because ignorant parents let their kids fall victim to corporate advertising and let them get fat and then their kids grew up and are now perpetuating the obesity problem.

Bloomberg's idea is an overreach in my opinion but Republican do-nothing approach isn't working very well either.

Government regulation isn't the answer either. Generally the more government tries to regulate 'sin', the more of it we have because it is human nature to want what somebody else tells us we are not allowed to have. Give people the freedom to work out their problems and they generally come to the right decisions.

How is the freedom to work out America's obesity problem working so far? Obesity rates are climbing.

Any ideas on how to get America to change it's tune?

Let's start by eliminating the hundreds of cable stations available, crash the entire entertainment industry.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Though I don't support Obamacare, I think you're being a tad over-dramatic when saying that once it "kicks in", "Big Brother will completely own the people".

How do you figure?

Anticipating that if the government provides your health care, they will also issue edicts that will govern what behavior is "healthy" and "unhealthy". Since the expense of health care will skyrocket, the government will necessarily need to find cost-saving measures. If they can prove that you have conducted yourself in an "unhealthy" manner, you will be denied care. You WILL adhere to the "healthy" lifestyle or you WILL be denied healthcare, i.e. you will die miserably in the gutter.

Bingo! You want the Big Brother Freebie, you'll have to become his bitch. Nothing is free. You always pay one way or another. To be Big Brother's Bitch, or not to be. That is the question.

OK, I have currently decided to be my employer's bitch. Legal, moral, or ethical, I will do it for the paycheck (my addiction: regular paychecks). But that is MY choice. Not much longer, I can assure you....

 

[Flopper]

Liberals, because the abhor freedom, want the government to have its hand in every detail of our lives.

Well that is certainly true of today's 'Liberals.' But that wasn't always the case. Today's 'Liberals' are really Socialist/Progressive Nanny/Police Staters. I couldn't classify most Democrats today as 'Liberals.' Their Authority-Worshippers now. Times have changed.

If the problems associated with obesity were isolated to the individuals that stuff their gut with junk, then there would be no reason for government to become involved. But that's not the case. When the food junkie's health starts to fail, first the family suffers, then the worker's productivity, and of course the healthcare system utilization rises. Insurance rates increase. Healthcare providers have to waste resources on diseases that could have been prevented. In short all society suffers.

Libertarians and Conservative have long beat the drum for individual freedoms without having government dictating our every move. Everyone desires that, but liberals want government to step in when individual choices hurts all society, not just the individual.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Anticipating that if the government provides your health care, they will also issue edicts that will govern what behavior is "healthy" and "unhealthy". Since the expense of health care will skyrocket, the government will necessarily need to find cost-saving measures. If they can prove that you have conducted yourself in an "unhealthy" manner, you will be denied care. You WILL adhere to the "healthy" lifestyle or you WILL be denied healthcare, i.e. you will die miserably in the gutter.

Bingo! You want the Big Brother Freebie, you'll have to become his bitch. Nothing is free. You always pay one way or another. To be Big Brother's Bitch, or not to be. That is the question.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand under Obamacare I will still be purchasing my own insurance via a private insurer. The money to purchase that insurance will still be coming out of my own personal paycheck, just as it is today..

So, what "freebie" am I getting exactly?

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If you are so stupid as to remain employed when all will be provided, yes...you will be paying.