George H W Bush october 19 1980, where was he?

It takes the Concorde 2 hours 52 minutes to fly from Dulles to Paris. That means time in the air is 5 hours and 40 minutes. That is the fastest possible flight. Was Bush on the concorde that day?

Then we have the drive time from Dulles to DC or wherever Bush was supposed to be. DeGaul airport is pretty far out too, but Dulles is like 40 minutes on a good day from downtown DC. Figure an hour on each end for driving, parking, etc. Then there is the meeting with the Iranians, maybe an hour, maybe two. I have no idea what the schedule was. I assume it arrived in the US in the morning and left not soon after. Would they schedule two round trips per day? Was there enough of a market for that?
Anyway, in order to make up with Occam's razor on this, that we are dealing with Bush being gone for a couple hours for a trip to Paris, we would have to posit a hole in his schedule of 9 hours. Minimum. That is assuming that the Concorde went back to DC after his meeting, there was time for the meeting during the Concord's turn around.

Alternative aircraft take six hours for each way.

One goof said that Bush got a ride in the jump seat of an SR71 blackbird. That the opposition candidate was allowed in the backseat of a highly classified aircraft stretches credulity a bit. Especially since the guy was in his late 50s and had only flown propeller aircraft. there is also the issue of the high pressure suit that he would have to wear and getting in and out of that.

The more this story is investigated, the weirder and dumber it becomes
 
It takes the Concorde 2 hours 52 minutes to fly from Dulles to Paris. That means time in the air is 5 hours and 40 minutes. That is the fastest possible flight. Was Bush on the concorde that day?

Then we have the drive time from Dulles to DC or wherever Bush was supposed to be. DeGaul airport is pretty far out too, but Dulles is like 40 minutes on a good day from downtown DC. Figure an hour on each end for driving, parking, etc. Then there is the meeting with the Iranians, maybe an hour, maybe two. I have no idea what the schedule was. I assume it arrived in the US in the morning and left not soon after. Would they schedule two round trips per day? Was there enough of a market for that?
Anyway, in order to make up with Occam's razor on this, that we are dealing with Bush being gone for a couple hours for a trip to Paris, we would have to posit a hole in his schedule of 9 hours. Minimum. That is assuming that the Concorde went back to DC after his meeting, there was time for the meeting during the Concord's turn around.

Alternative aircraft take six hours for each way.

One goof said that Bush got a ride in the jump seat of an SR71 blackbird. That the opposition candidate was allowed in the backseat of a highly classified aircraft stretches credulity a bit. Especially since the guy was in his late 50s and had only flown propeller aircraft. there is also the issue of the high pressure suit that he would have to wear and getting in and out of that.

The more this story is investigated, the weirder and dumber it becomes
Jump seat in an SR-71? Yeah ok.,....I'm the Easter Bunny.
 
It takes the Concorde 2 hours 52 minutes to fly from Dulles to Paris. That means time in the air is 5 hours and 40 minutes. That is the fastest possible flight. Was Bush on the concorde that day?

Then we have the drive time from Dulles to DC or wherever Bush was supposed to be. DeGaul airport is pretty far out too, but Dulles is like 40 minutes on a good day from downtown DC. Figure an hour on each end for driving, parking, etc. Then there is the meeting with the Iranians, maybe an hour, maybe two. I have no idea what the schedule was. I assume it arrived in the US in the morning and left not soon after. Would they schedule two round trips per day? Was there enough of a market for that?
Anyway, in order to make up with Occam's razor on this, that we are dealing with Bush being gone for a couple hours for a trip to Paris, we would have to posit a hole in his schedule of 9 hours. Minimum. That is assuming that the Concorde went back to DC after his meeting, there was time for the meeting during the Concord's turn around.

Alternative aircraft take six hours for each way.

One goof said that Bush got a ride in the jump seat of an SR71 blackbird. That the opposition candidate was allowed in the backseat of a highly classified aircraft stretches credulity a bit. Especially since the guy was in his late 50s and had only flown propeller aircraft. there is also the issue of the high pressure suit that he would have to wear and getting in and out of that.

The more this story is investigated, the weirder and dumber it becomes

Good points all.

Getting back to your point about the Concorde, you also have the problem that Concordes were commercial aircraft. Which means that you would have had a bunch of people on that airplane who would have seen Bush on either trip and said, "Hey, that's George Bush!" Not to mention all the folks in the airport.

The SR-71 theory falls apart when you consider at that time, France had left NATO in 1966, had closed the American military bases in France. So even if they could get George onto an SR-71 (which again, was run by an Air Force that still reported to President Carter), where was it going to land?
 
It takes the Concorde 2 hours 52 minutes to fly from Dulles to Paris. That means time in the air is 5 hours and 40 minutes. That is the fastest possible flight. Was Bush on the concorde that day?

Then we have the drive time from Dulles to DC or wherever Bush was supposed to be. DeGaul airport is pretty far out too, but Dulles is like 40 minutes on a good day from downtown DC. Figure an hour on each end for driving, parking, etc. Then there is the meeting with the Iranians, maybe an hour, maybe two. I have no idea what the schedule was. I assume it arrived in the US in the morning and left not soon after. Would they schedule two round trips per day? Was there enough of a market for that?
Anyway, in order to make up with Occam's razor on this, that we are dealing with Bush being gone for a couple hours for a trip to Paris, we would have to posit a hole in his schedule of 9 hours. Minimum. That is assuming that the Concorde went back to DC after his meeting, there was time for the meeting during the Concord's turn around.

Alternative aircraft take six hours for each way.

One goof said that Bush got a ride in the jump seat of an SR71 blackbird. That the opposition candidate was allowed in the backseat of a highly classified aircraft stretches credulity a bit. Especially since the guy was in his late 50s and had only flown propeller aircraft. there is also the issue of the high pressure suit that he would have to wear and getting in and out of that.

The more this story is investigated, the weirder and dumber it becomes

Good points all.

Getting back to your point about the Concorde, you also have the problem that Concordes were commercial aircraft. Which means that you would have had a bunch of people on that airplane who would have seen Bush on either trip and said, "Hey, that's George Bush!" Not to mention all the folks in the airport.

The SR-71 theory falls apart when you consider at that time, France had left NATO in 1966, had closed the American military bases in France. So even if they could get George onto an SR-71 (which again, was run by an Air Force that still reported to President Carter), where was it going to land?
It couldn't land at commercial airports, because it requires special fuel available nowhere else but its dedicated bases.
 
Keeping a Curious Bush Secret | Consortiumnews


Keeping a Curious Bush Secret


August 12, 2011


Exclusive: One of the strange mysteries from the Reagan-Bush era is where did George H.W. Bush go on one Sunday in October 1980 when some witnesses placed him meeting with Iranians in Paris. More than three decades later, Bush’s supposed alibi remains a state secret, Robert Parry reports.



By Robert Parry

More than three decades ago, on Oct. 19, 1980, then-Republican vice presidential candidate George H.W. Bush supposedly took an afternoon trip to visit a family friend in Washington, an alibi that could prove he could not have traveled secretly to Paris for treacherous meetings with Iranians.

But Bush’s White House in 1992 – and his presidential library now – have refused to release the name of this alibi witness or even the address where Bush allegedly went. The insistence on keeping this secret has just been reaffirmed by Debra Steidel Wall, deputy archivist of the United States.

So, rather than release what theoretically should be a fact the Bush Family would want out – proof that the elder George Bush did not engage in secret talks with Iranians behind President Jimmy Carter’s back regarding 52 Americans then being held hostage in Iran – the U.S. government is saying that only a costly federal court lawsuit can dislodge this historical detail.

Thank you for the thread.

I hope they proceed with the costly federal lawsuit.

If they do, start another thread just to piss off the Bush apologists.

:lol:
 
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Keeping a Curious Bush Secret | Consortiumnews


Keeping a Curious Bush Secret


August 12, 2011


Exclusive: One of the strange mysteries from the Reagan-Bush era is where did George H.W. Bush go on one Sunday in October 1980 when some witnesses placed him meeting with Iranians in Paris. More than three decades later, Bush’s supposed alibi remains a state secret, Robert Parry reports.



By Robert Parry

More than three decades ago, on Oct. 19, 1980, then-Republican vice presidential candidate George H.W. Bush supposedly took an afternoon trip to visit a family friend in Washington, an alibi that could prove he could not have traveled secretly to Paris for treacherous meetings with Iranians.

But Bush’s White House in 1992 – and his presidential library now – have refused to release the name of this alibi witness or even the address where Bush allegedly went. The insistence on keeping this secret has just been reaffirmed by Debra Steidel Wall, deputy archivist of the United States.

So, rather than release what theoretically should be a fact the Bush Family would want out – proof that the elder George Bush did not engage in secret talks with Iranians behind President Jimmy Carter’s back regarding 52 Americans then being held hostage in Iran – the U.S. government is saying that only a costly federal court lawsuit can dislodge this historical detail.

Oh my, a visit to a "friend" is such a big secret.
 
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More than three decades ago, on Oct. 19, 1980, then-Republican vice presidential candidate George H.W. Bush supposedly took an afternoon trip to visit a family friend in Washington, an alibi that could prove he could not have traveled secretly to Paris for treacherous meetings with Iranians.

But Bush’s White House in 1992 – and his presidential library now – have refused to release the name of this alibi witness or even the address where Bush allegedly went. The insistence on keeping this secret has just been reaffirmed by Debra Steidel Wall, deputy archivist of the United States.

So, rather than release what theoretically should be a fact the Bush Family would want out – proof that the elder George Bush did not engage in secret talks with Iranians behind President Jimmy Carter’s back regarding 52 Americans then being held hostage in Iran – the U.S. government is saying that only a costly federal court lawsuit can dislodge this historical detail.

Oh my, a visit to a "friend" is such a big secret.

It is if the friend doesn't want his or her privacy invaded.

Come on, that name becomes public, all the lunatics who've been nursing 30 year paranoid grudges start showing up at that person's doorstep trying to force "the truth" out of them.
 
It takes the Concorde 2 hours 52 minutes to fly from Dulles to Paris. That means time in the air is 5 hours and 40 minutes. That is the fastest possible flight. Was Bush on the concorde that day?

Then we have the drive time from Dulles to DC or wherever Bush was supposed to be. DeGaul airport is pretty far out too, but Dulles is like 40 minutes on a good day from downtown DC. Figure an hour on each end for driving, parking, etc. Then there is the meeting with the Iranians, maybe an hour, maybe two. I have no idea what the schedule was. I assume it arrived in the US in the morning and left not soon after. Would they schedule two round trips per day? Was there enough of a market for that?
Anyway, in order to make up with Occam's razor on this, that we are dealing with Bush being gone for a couple hours for a trip to Paris, we would have to posit a hole in his schedule of 9 hours. Minimum. That is assuming that the Concorde went back to DC after his meeting, there was time for the meeting during the Concord's turn around.

Alternative aircraft take six hours for each way.

One goof said that Bush got a ride in the jump seat of an SR71 blackbird. That the opposition candidate was allowed in the backseat of a highly classified aircraft stretches credulity a bit. Especially since the guy was in his late 50s and had only flown propeller aircraft. there is also the issue of the high pressure suit that he would have to wear and getting in and out of that.

The more this story is investigated, the weirder and dumber it becomes

Good points all.

Getting back to your point about the Concorde, you also have the problem that Concordes were commercial aircraft. Which means that you would have had a bunch of people on that airplane who would have seen Bush on either trip and said, "Hey, that's George Bush!" Not to mention all the folks in the airport.

The SR-71 theory falls apart when you consider at that time, France had left NATO in 1966, had closed the American military bases in France. So even if they could get George onto an SR-71 (which again, was run by an Air Force that still reported to President Carter), where was it going to land?
It couldn't land at commercial airports, because it requires special fuel available nowhere else but its dedicated bases.

Do you mean the SR-71 or the Concorde?
 
Good points all.

Getting back to your point about the Concorde, you also have the problem that Concordes were commercial aircraft. Which means that you would have had a bunch of people on that airplane who would have seen Bush on either trip and said, "Hey, that's George Bush!" Not to mention all the folks in the airport.

The SR-71 theory falls apart when you consider at that time, France had left NATO in 1966, had closed the American military bases in France. So even if they could get George onto an SR-71 (which again, was run by an Air Force that still reported to President Carter), where was it going to land?
It couldn't land at commercial airports, because it requires special fuel available nowhere else but its dedicated bases.

Do you mean the SR-71 or the Concorde?

The Blackbird.
 
Thanks for the clarification...

I have to admit, as a groundpounder, my knowledge of planes is limited.

So to recap, Bush supposedly flew to France in a special plane at a time when France had no American bases and was persuing its own agenda in the Middle East, Cold War, etc.

And their government was going to let the ultra-conservative oppossition party meet with Iranian officials on their soil. You see why these things don't stand up to scrutiny?
 
And there is the whole deal of having a jump seat on a blackbird.

I am pretty sure whoever he was visiting, Barbara knows about it, but the friend's husband doesn't.
 
Thanks for the clarification...

I have to admit, as a groundpounder, my knowledge of planes is limited.

So to recap, Bush supposedly flew to France in a special plane at a time when France had no American bases and was persuing its own agenda in the Middle East, Cold War, etc.

And their government was going to let the ultra-conservative oppossition party meet with Iranian officials on their soil. You see why these things don't stand up to scrutiny?
They never do. But that doesn't stop idiots from believing in them.
 
Libs trying to drum up support for a forty year old conspiracy? Where was the peanut man in October 1980 while America seemed leaderless? Operation "Eagle Claw" in April was an example of how not to do it pollitically and militarily. Billy Carter could have done a better job than brother Jimmy.
 
You agree that maybe he could have done it and then try and work out the logistics of the meeting and the whole zanyness falls apart. Cool
 
This should probably be moved to conspiracy theories. Its the old "Reagan made a deal with the Iranians to keep the hostages until after the election" story.

Yeah, like Ronnie Raygun never made any secret deals or did anything wrong ......
 
Well, that Reagan did the whole idiot thing with Iran and Nicaragua is all kinds of embarrassing. There were lots of things Reagan did that were not as brilliant as they could have been.

However, just because Reagan did foolish stuff does not change the fact that this particular conspiracy theory is dumber than average. The only way this one can work is if Bush went to Paris via hyperspace.
 
Well, that Reagan did the whole idiot thing with Iran and Nicaragua is all kinds of embarrassing. There were lots of things Reagan did that were not as brilliant as they could have been.

However, just because Reagan did foolish stuff does not change the fact that this particular conspiracy theory is dumber than average. The only way this one can work is if Bush went to Paris via hyperspace.

Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a Democrat, or bounce too close to a reporter and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?
 

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