Discussion in 'Politics' started by Max Power, Sep 18, 2005.
Bush Forgives Sandy Berger?
That is bullshit. Berger should be doing 10 to 20 right now for his security breach. Sometimes Bush thinks too politically when dealing with Clinton people.
Bush makes me sick, too, but I think for different reasons than you state.
I have no idea what the hell Berger was doing in taking those documents. Do you think he was worried that there was some intelligence that would hurt Clinton, or himself?
duh... Fact is, if the Clinton administration did its job, 911 probably wouldn't have happened.
This convinces me of two things.
1. Partisan politics is bullshit. Republicans and Democrats are essentially the same, and just play up a few minute differences (gay marriage, for example) so that you think you have a choice on election day.
2. What Sandy Berger did is worse than what Karl Rove (allegedly) did, and Berger is getting a pass from this Republican administration - that means that Karl Rove will take absolutely no heat for what he did.
Yeah, let's blame Clinton on 9-11. Would you agree with me that several days before 9-11, Bush received a memo entitled (or something to this effect), "bin Laden determined to attack in United States." I'm not saying that Bush should be blamed, but he isn't blameless.
Right after he became president, in January 2001, he was talking about invading Iraq. He was upset when 9-11 occurred because it took his eye off the ball. Notice that Iraq somehow became connected to 9-11.
Bush is scum, and I am reveling in the fact that his approval ratings have tanked.
And what the heck did Rove allegedly do this time?
Mr. ProudDem, what youve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
You're entitled to your opinion. And I am a woman, by the way. Buh-bye.
Oh please tell me you are smarter than that? Please tell me that you are an intelligent ProudDem...not a talkingpoints spewing automaton who hasn't ever really looked into the crap they put out?!?! I know its harsh, ProudDem...but from your other posts its obvious you have a brain...have you just chosen not to use it for this particular issue?
The Memo was given to Bush in the beginning of August...its title was "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US." In it...Bush would have learned that Bin Laden wanted to harm the US for a variety of reasons (SHOCKER!) and that the millenium attack that was foiled might have been part of that plan.
It stated that he may have planned to hijack a plane (OH MY GOD BUSH SHOULD HAVE KNOWN RIGHT THEN!!!!) in order to HAVE ONE OF HIS MEN RELEASED FROM PRISON (oops...nevermind...not the same thing at all really, is it, afterall...lots of people have hijacked planes for that reason...they never flew three of them into buildings before, did they?)
It stated that there has been some suspicious activity in New York (OH GOD THERE IT IS...BUSH THE BASTARD KNEW IT WAS NEW YORK!!!)...around FEDERAL BUILDINGS...(oh, damn...wait...if Bush had put the entire US Millitary around every single Federal Building in NYC it wouldn't have made one damn bit of difference...shucks...)
All the memo stated was that a bad man we already knew about (and could have captured at least twice during the Clinton administration), wanted to hurt us which we already knew about. It was not a smoking gun, it was not a damning piece of evidence proving Bush's incompetance...it was really nothing other than a sad example of how US Bueracracy is harming this nation...Clinton could have taken bin Laden out...but he didn't, because he was afraid that he would get in trouble with the UN and the Congress...and in one case, because he was busy golfing. Bush didn't do anything about it because Clinton didn't do anything about it and he was happy to be complacent, and because we didn't have enough intelligence because of Jamie Gorelick's intelligence wall and because of a lack of Arab speaking interpreters and because of a million other reasons that had nothing to do with this memo.
Please...I know I am harsh at the start of this post...but it really is because we need HONEST, INTELLIGENT, and above all, INFORMED conversation and debate about topics...screeching about the memo that really didn't say anything we hadn't known about for years and has NOTHING to do with a rational debate about 9/11...and to put if forward as something you hold against Bush puts you one step closer to that insane, rabid blame Bush crowd that you should be.
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