Gaza Freedom Flotilla Attacked, 2 killed 50 Injured - Israeli Murder and Piracy

[Ringel05]

Folks. You need to turn on the news (BBC). New videos showing the soldiers being viciously attacked as soon as they were on the deck. They were fighting for their lives. This whole thing looks pre-organized, the protesters were waiting for the Israelis with obvious intent of malice.

 

[Nik]

It's a huge PR photo op.

Israel told Turkey not to send the ships in. Turkey tried to force the ships from the terrorists into Israel's land. Israel tried to stop them, they didn't stop.

Then when Israeli commandos went on the ship, they attacked them, and used their guns against them.

And yet, their the victims

If they truely wanted to send aid, they could have docked in the port of Ashdod, Tel-Aviv. It would have been unloaded and sent there, but they wanted to stage their huge propoganda event.

I know. Soldiers attacked an unarmed civilian ship and killed 19 civilians on the ship. And people think those who died are the victims? Oh, and for good measure, the ship was in international waters.

Shocking.

They wanted to avoid the blockade, genius. Thats why they were bringing it directly to Gaza.

 

[Nik]

Folks. You need to turn on the news (BBC). New videos showing the soldiers being viciously attacked as soon as they were on the deck. They were fighting for their lives. This whole thing looks pre-organized, the protesters were waiting for the Israelis with obvious intent of malice.

Of course they got attacked. They were forcibly boarding a vessel in international waters. What did they expect, flowers?

 

[The Rabbi]

Folks. You need to turn on the news (BBC). New videos showing the soldiers being viciously attacked as soon as they were on the deck. They were fighting for their lives. This whole thing looks pre-organized, the protesters were waiting for the Israelis with obvious intent of malice.

Of course they got attacked. They were forcibly boarding a vessel in international waters. What did they expect, flowers?

Non resistence, since these were ostensibly peaceful civilians.
Apparently the video shows otherwise.

 

[Dr Grump]

Folks. You need to turn on the news (BBC). New videos showing the soldiers being viciously attacked as soon as they were on the deck. They were fighting for their lives. This whole thing looks pre-organized, the protesters were waiting for the Israelis with obvious intent of malice.

Riiight...so if this was in international waters and they were US citizens being attacked by Russian troops off the coast of Vladavostok, you'd hail Russian commandos as doing the right thing? Get a grip....

 

[ekrem]

Folks. You need to turn on the news (BBC). New videos showing the soldiers being viciously attacked as soon as they were on the deck. They were fighting for their lives. This whole thing looks pre-organized, the protesters were waiting for the Israelis with obvious intent of malice.

All camera material has been confiscated by Israel.
Media can not freely contact Crew members of the ships in port of Ashdod. There is media-blockade. You are currently seeing selective Israelian version of the incident.
You do not see what happened in general and before, these details will come out once media can reach crew members.

Now, if you complain of Israelian special-forces getting resistance, Special Forces should have primarily landed on the Greek ship or one of the European ships, but Greeks are tough ones too.

 

[Dr Grump]

Folks. You need to turn on the news (BBC). New videos showing the soldiers being viciously attacked as soon as they were on the deck. They were fighting for their lives. This whole thing looks pre-organized, the protesters were waiting for the Israelis with obvious intent of malice.

Of course they got attacked. They were forcibly boarding a vessel in international waters. What did they expect, flowers?

Non resistence, since these were ostensibly peaceful civilians.
Apparently the video shows otherwise.

Um....were the civilians boarding Israeli warships or did I miss something??

 

[The Rabbi]

Folks. You need to turn on the news (BBC). New videos showing the soldiers being viciously attacked as soon as they were on the deck. They were fighting for their lives. This whole thing looks pre-organized, the protesters were waiting for the Israelis with obvious intent of malice.

Riiight...so if this was in international waters and they were US citizens being attacked by Russian troops off the coast of Vladavostok, you'd hail Russian commandos as doing the right thing? Get a grip....

Your moral equivalence ploy is laughable, at best. It isn't even close to being analogous.

 

[Dr Grump]

Folks. You need to turn on the news (BBC). New videos showing the soldiers being viciously attacked as soon as they were on the deck. They were fighting for their lives. This whole thing looks pre-organized, the protesters were waiting for the Israelis with obvious intent of malice.

Of course they got attacked. They were forcibly boarding a vessel in international waters. What did they expect, flowers?

Non resistence, since these were ostensibly peaceful civilians.
Apparently the video shows otherwise.

You sound like J Edgar Hoover making excuses for the Alabama national guard during the 1960s...

 

[Nik]

Folks. You need to turn on the news (BBC). New videos showing the soldiers being viciously attacked as soon as they were on the deck. They were fighting for their lives. This whole thing looks pre-organized, the protesters were waiting for the Israelis with obvious intent of malice.

Of course they got attacked. They were forcibly boarding a vessel in international waters. What did they expect, flowers?

Non resistence, since these were ostensibly peaceful civilians.
Apparently the video shows otherwise.

Being a peaceful civilian means you can't resist when someone tries to invade your boat?

 

[Ringel05]

Folks. You need to turn on the news (BBC). New videos showing the soldiers being viciously attacked as soon as they were on the deck. They were fighting for their lives. This whole thing looks pre-organized, the protesters were waiting for the Israelis with obvious intent of malice.

Riiight...so if this was in international waters and they were US citizens being attacked by Russian troops off the coast of Vladavostok, you'd hail Russian commandos as doing the right thing? Get a grip....

What?! How does that relate to the situation under discussion? Obviously you have no clue. But then what else is new, you've always shown your inability to think without emoting.

 

[Nik]

Folks. You need to turn on the news (BBC). New videos showing the soldiers being viciously attacked as soon as they were on the deck. They were fighting for their lives. This whole thing looks pre-organized, the protesters were waiting for the Israelis with obvious intent of malice.

Riiight...so if this was in international waters and they were US citizens being attacked by Russian troops off the coast of Vladavostok, you'd hail Russian commandos as doing the right thing? Get a grip....

Your moral equivalence ploy is laughable, at best. It isn't even close to being analogous.

Oh?

Do explain how they aren't analogous please. Be detailed.

 

[Modbert]

What?! How does that relate to the situation under discussion? Obviously you have no clue. But then what else is new, you've always shown your inability to think without emoting.

Dr Grump is saying this because:

Israel boarded the ship in International Waters.
They went in to subdue those on the ships.

 

[ekrem]

(...)peaceful civilians.(...)

They were first of all civilians. Harrassed and terrorized in Internations waters.
Maybe even I would resist an intruding terrorist-pirate on open seas.

 

[Nik]

Folks. You need to turn on the news (BBC). New videos showing the soldiers being viciously attacked as soon as they were on the deck. They were fighting for their lives. This whole thing looks pre-organized, the protesters were waiting for the Israelis with obvious intent of malice.

Riiight...so if this was in international waters and they were US citizens being attacked by Russian troops off the coast of Vladavostok, you'd hail Russian commandos as doing the right thing? Get a grip....

What?! How does that relate to the situation under discussion? Obviously you have no clue. But then what else is new, you've always shown your inability to think without emoting.

It's an example designed to show that your opinions of the event are decided by who the actors are, not the actual events that occurred. Its not really complicated, at all. But I suspect you don't have a valid reply to it since you questioned its relevance as opposed to actually responding to it.

 

[Dr Grump]

Folks. You need to turn on the news (BBC). New videos showing the soldiers being viciously attacked as soon as they were on the deck. They were fighting for their lives. This whole thing looks pre-organized, the protesters were waiting for the Israelis with obvious intent of malice.

Riiight...so if this was in international waters and they were US citizens being attacked by Russian troops off the coast of Vladavostok, you'd hail Russian commandos as doing the right thing? Get a grip....

Your moral equivalence ploy is laughable, at best. It isn't even close to being analogous.

And Israel never misses and opportunity to miss an opportunity recently. What moral equivalence? What exactly did these international citizens do? Still trying to figure it out. Israel should have at least waited until these guys were in Gaza waters. Then they could have seen what aid was given...

Look at it logically, it would have been a win-win situation for Israel. They get their version of the coast guard or border security to board the vessels. If they find non-humanitarian aid, they confiscate it. If not, they let it go.

Instead they were heavy-handed, OTT and have taken an already volatile situation and escalated it. They are out of control and deserve condemnation. 25 years ago, that country had the support of the western world. The right-wing loons, who seem to have more and more say in that country, are being hard arses about even simple things.

 

[Ringel05]

Folks. You need to turn on the news (BBC). New videos showing the soldiers being viciously attacked as soon as they were on the deck. They were fighting for their lives. This whole thing looks pre-organized, the protesters were waiting for the Israelis with obvious intent of malice.

All camera material has been confiscated by Israel.
Media can not freely contact Crew members of the ships in port of Ashdod. There is media-blockade. You are currently seeing selective Israelian version of the incident.
You do not see what happened in general and before, these details will come out once media can reach crew members.

Now, if you complain of Israelian special-forces getting resistance, Special Forces should have primarily landed on the Greek ship or one of the European ships, but Greeks are tough ones too.

All I know is BBC was showing night vision video of the incident and based on that what I saw was protesters attacking the boarding party before the had a chance to defend themselves.
You may be correct but of course Hamas, et al would never pull a stunt like that. (Just adding real perspective here).

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Folks. You need to turn on the news (BBC). New videos showing the soldiers being viciously attacked as soon as they were on the deck. They were fighting for their lives. This whole thing looks pre-organized, the protesters were waiting for the Israelis with obvious intent of malice.

Riiight...so if this was in international waters and they were US citizens being attacked by Russian troops off the coast of Vladavostok, you'd hail Russian commandos as doing the right thing? Get a grip....

If the US citizens did the exact same thing that those "peace protesters" did to those lawfully acting commandos, yes.

 

[The Rabbi]

Riiight...so if this was in international waters and they were US citizens being attacked by Russian troops off the coast of Vladavostok, you'd hail Russian commandos as doing the right thing? Get a grip....

Your moral equivalence ploy is laughable, at best. It isn't even close to being analogous.

Oh?

Do explain how they aren't analogous please. Be detailed.

Hmm
Vladivostok citizens havent attacked Russia
There is no support group in the US for people from Vladivostok
There is no embargo on the eastern part of Russia
There is no concern of Americans supplying terrorist items to people in Vladivostok

So aside ffrom being completely different they are totally analogous

 

[Nik]

Folks. You need to turn on the news (BBC). New videos showing the soldiers being viciously attacked as soon as they were on the deck. They were fighting for their lives. This whole thing looks pre-organized, the protesters were waiting for the Israelis with obvious intent of malice.

All camera material has been confiscated by Israel.
Media can not freely contact Crew members of the ships in port of Ashdod. There is media-blockade. You are currently seeing selective Israelian version of the incident.
You do not see what happened in general and before, these details will come out once media can reach crew members.

Now, if you complain of Israelian special-forces getting resistance, Special Forces should have primarily landed on the Greek ship or one of the European ships, but Greeks are tough ones too.

All I know is BBC was showing night vision video of the incident and based on that what I saw was protesters attacking the boarding party before the had a chance to defend themselves.
You may be correct but of course Hamas, et al would never pull a stunt like that. (Just adding real perspective here).

Shocking that people would attack soldiers who are forcefully illegally boarding their boat