Gaza Christians PROTEST Forced Conversions

[Hollie]

You do realize that the Gatestone Institute Is an Israeli propaganda site, don't you?

You do realize that gee-had is often defined as the 6th pillar of islamism, don't you?

 

[P F Tinmore]

You do realize that the Gatestone Institute Is an Israeli propaganda site, don't you?

You do realize that gee-had is often defined as the 6th pillar of islamism, don't you?

No, I don't get into the religious hate thing.

 

[logical4u]

You do realize that the Gatestone Institute Is an Israeli propaganda site, don't you?

Sodomy ‘For the Sake of Islam’ | FrontPage Magazine

Yes islam, communism, socialism, liberalism, progressivism, homosexual activism, environmentalism all have this mentality in common: it is okay to do anything as long as it puts "their dear leaders" in power. The legion will have nothing but poverty and misery, but they follow cult-like after their Charles Manson like leaders, and refuse to use the ability to reason the Lord gave to them?

Would you care to explain how extremists enlarge their rectum to hold explosives (if this is not true)?

 

[P F Tinmore]

You do realize that the Gatestone Institute Is an Israeli propaganda site, don't you?

Sodomy ‘For the Sake of Islam’ | FrontPage Magazine

Yes islam, communism, socialism, liberalism, progressivism, homosexual activism, environmentalism all have this mentality in common: it is okay to do anything as long as it puts "their dear leaders" in power. The legion will have nothing but poverty and misery, but they follow cult-like after their Charles Manson like leaders, and refuse to use the ability to reason the Lord gave to them?

Would you care to explain how extremists enlarge their rectum to hold explosives (if this is not true)?

Not really.

 

[Hollie]

You do realize that the Gatestone Institute Is an Israeli propaganda site, don't you?

You do realize that gee-had is often defined as the 6th pillar of islamism, don't you?

No, I don't get into the religious hate thing.

Islam has defined itself by hate. You getting into it or not doesn't change the reality of gee-had.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You do realize that gee-had is often defined as the 6th pillar of islamism, don't you?

No, I don't get into the religious hate thing.

Islam has defined itself by hate. You getting into it or not doesn't change the reality of gee-had.

Got links?

 

[Hossfly]

On the other hand, would you have a problem with Muslims converting to Christianity or any other religion they choose? It appears the Muslims have a big problem with this, and in so many cases if the apostates are not just harassed by their friends and relatives, they are killed. Surely a "smart" guy like you is aware of all this?.


jt2

Saddam's Iraq was an exception. Tariq Aziz was a Christian, as was Saddam's second wife.

And Arafat's wife is a Christian.

And how much time did Arafat's Christian wife spend with her beloved husband- in Palestine? By the way, one of Mohammed's wives was Jewish (I believe the first one), but that did not stop him from killing the Jewish tribes.


jt2

 

[Roudy]

You do realize that the Gatestone Institute Is an Israeli propaganda site, don't you?

You do realize that gee-had is often defined as the 6th pillar of islamism, don't you?

No, I don't get into the religious hate thing.

The Islamist Hamas animals you promote, are a terrorist religious hate group. Wake up and smell the Jihad. I guess you have to remove our head from Uranus for that to happen.

 

[Roudy]

No, I don't get into the religious hate thing.

Islam has defined itself by hate. You getting into it or not doesn't change the reality of gee-had.

Got links?

Did you come across the Hamas Charter? If that isn't a hate manifesto calling for violence against another religion I don't know what is.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Islam has defined itself by hate. You getting into it or not doesn't change the reality of gee-had.

Got links?

Did you come across the Hamas Charter? If that isn't a hate manifesto calling for violence against another religion I don't know what is.

Do you have a Palestinian site that references that charter?

 

[Hollie]

No, I don't get into the religious hate thing.

Islam has defined itself by hate. You getting into it or not doesn't change the reality of gee-had.

Got links?

•Of the believers are men who are true to that which they covenanted with Allah. Some of them have paid their vow by death (in battle), and some of them still are waiting; and they have not altered in the least. Qur'an 33:22

•Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you [infidels] worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:-- "Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master." –Bukhari Vol 4, Bk 53, No 386

•Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme. –Qur'an 9:111

•I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." –Bukhari Vol 4, Bk 52, No 46

•Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward. –Qur'an 4:74

•...the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Nobody who enters Paradise will (ever like to) return to this world even if he were offered everything on the surface of the earth (as an inducement) except the martyr who will desire to return to this world and be killed ten times for the sake of the great honour that has been bestowed upon him. –Muslim Bk 20, No 4636


Is this linky enough. There's an entire book full of this stuff.

 

[Hollie]

Christianity’s Death Rattle in Gaza?

Christianity’s Death Rattle in Gaza?

A report today (7/17/12) in Haaretz highlights the ongoing plight of Gaza’s tiny, fragile Christian minority. Their miniscule numbers have shrunk from a mere 3,500 to about 1,500 since Hamas seized control in 2006, dispersed among 1.7 million Gazan Palestinians, overwhelmingly traditionalist, Hamas-supporting Muslims.

Briefly ignoring their dangerous vulnerability, as they verge on extinction, Gaza’s beleaguered Christian minority has brought their latest predicament—forced conversions, the recrudescence of a millennial Islamic scourge upon the region’s pre-Islamic, indigenous Christians—to public attention.

Dozens of Gaza Christians staged a rare public protest Monday, claiming two congregants were forcibly converted to Islam and were being held against their will. The small but noisy demonstration showed the increasingly desperate situation facing the tiny minority. Protesters banged on a church bell and chanted, “With our spirit, with our blood we will sacrifice ourselves for you, Jesus.”

Indeed the current plight of Gaza’s Christians reflects a continuum of destruction, persecution, and attrition of Middle Eastern Christianity—the legacy of Islam’s jihad—that dates back to the reign of the second “Rightly Guided” Caliph Umar (r. 634-644 A.D.). Not only did Umar wage devastating, sanguinary campaigns of jihad conquest, he also imposed limitations upon the surviving, vanquished Christians aimed at their ultimate destruction by attrition. The Arab historian al-Baladhuri indicates that Umar deported Christians who refused to apostasize and embrace Islam, and that he obeyed the order of Islam’s prophet Muhammad who advised: “there shall not remain two religions in the land of Arabia.”During Umar’s caliphate neither cities nor monasteries were spared if they resisted Islamic goals. Thus when the Greek garrison of Gaza refused to submit and convert to Islam, all were put to death.

 

[P F Tinmore]

AP reporter acknowledges claim is false

It was subsequently confirmed by the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights that no forced conversions took place and that the two individuals had converted voluntarily and sought protection from authorities fearing reprisals from their community.

Hadid herself acknowledged this on her blog where she wrote, “there’s little doubt that they willingly converted,”

AP Jerusalem bureau stands by false report of

 

[Hossfly]

AP reporter acknowledges claim is false

It was subsequently confirmed by the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights that no forced conversions took place and that the two individuals had converted voluntarily and sought protection from authorities fearing reprisals from their community.

Hadid herself acknowledged this on her blog where she wrote, “there’s little doubt that they willingly converted,”

AP Jerusalem bureau stands by false report of

I heard that Hadid made her latest statement while sporting a broken arm, 2 black eyes and a number of missing teeth. Any update?

 

[Hossfly]

AP reporter acknowledges claim is false

It was subsequently confirmed by the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights that no forced conversions took place and that the two individuals had converted voluntarily and sought protection from authorities fearing reprisals from their community.

Hadid herself acknowledged this on her blog where she wrote, “there’s little doubt that they willingly converted,”

AP Jerusalem bureau stands by false report of

I heard that Hadid made her latest statement while sporting a broken arm, 2 black eyes and a number of missing teeth. Any update?

What is the latest update, Tinmore?

 

[Jos]

In Light of the Conversion of Two Palestinian Christians to Islam, PCHR Emphasizes the Right to Freedom of Thought and Religion

Over the few past days, PCHR held meetings with Abu Dawood and al-Amash and their families. On Thursday, 12 July 2012, PCHR met with Abu Dawood. It is clear that Abu Dawood converted to Islam under her own free will without any coercion. PCHR also met with al-Amash on Sunday, 15 July 2012. PCHR organized another meeting on Monday, 16 July 2012, between al-Amash and his family. PCHR found out that al-Amashhad also converted to Islam under his own free will without any coercion. According to information made available to PCHR, al-Amash went back to live with his family after they said that they will accept his decision. Today, 19 July 2012, PCHR organized a meeting between the 3daughters of Abu Dawood and their father at PCHR’s head office.



In view of the above, PCHR:



1- Stresses, after meeting with Abu Dawood and al-Amash, that they converted to Islam under their own free will without any coercion of any type; and



2- Stresses the right to freedom of thought and religion, in accordance with Article 18 of the Palestinian Basic Law and Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

Palestinian Center for Human Rights

 

[irosie91]

Long ago---when PAPA DOC DUVALIER----was ruling haiti-----Haitians living in the USA would not discuss him at all---even Haitians I knew well -----it was dangerous. Papa Assad of syria engendered the same kind of fear in expat syrians I do not believe any positive report about Hamas said by a christian still living in Gaza and would be skeptical about any positive remarks they might make about Hamas---even if they live in the USA

 

[Jos]

Would you agree its up to the individual should they wish to convert to another religion

 

[irosie91]

Would you agree its up to the individual should they wish to convert to another religion

Of course I do not support forced conversions or criminalization of conversion. Islamic law does. In the early 1930s my mother-in-law's father died-----It was an islamic country which was and is shariah adherent According to the law of the land----a jewish orphaned child (orphan defined as no father) was to be handed over to the local muslim chieftain who did what he pleased with him/her------ie he owned him/ her and he/she would BE A MUSLIM by law. It is an interesting law. It is still being used by Khartoum to justify the enslavement of christian children whose fathers somehow "got killed" Lots of people ended up in this glorious position-------the girls had children who were also MUSLIM BY LAW In a society like that would you expect them to ANNOUNCE THAT THEY HAD BEEN FORCED? now and then ----one or two pops out of the wood work I am sure you are happy that my mother-in-law was rescued at age eleven she was QUICKLY MARRIED --------left her mother no doubt assuming she would never see her again (she did about ten years later) but she did escape ------forced conversion The good news is that she became the happy mother of ten-----and-----grandmother to------uhm I have lost count------the great grandchildren are popping out regularly. She was lucky countless others were not thruout the glorious DAR AL ISLAM Your question is naive-------little girls forced into islam ----forced into marriage ----facing LEAVING THEIR CHILDREN ----endangering their families etc etc tend to keep quiet

 

[Jos]

but you will agree there was no forced conversion in this case, in fact it is unheard of in Palestine

Ask Lipush she was adopted by a kind Jewish family, and was brought up as a jew, a religion she choses to keep, hardly forced