Gaza Christians PROTEST Forced Conversions

[docmauser1]

What violence and oppression? I haven't noticed any??

Indeed, palistanians like to make stuff up.

 

[Sunni Man]

What violence and oppression?

I haven't noticed any??

""This is an intellectual muslim. He is a great example of why you cannot negotiate with muslims. He is a great example of how corrupt and deceitful muslims can be. "

I can add: this is why muslims are so hard to have a conversation with, they ignore anything that points out the faults with islam and their god mohammed. "

LOL, you are soo lame that you had to recycle the exact same words from a previous post.

 

[Hossfly]

When Christians/Jews/Hindus/Buddahists wipe Islam from the Earth no one will carry whose fault it was, they will only carry that followers of the Great Child Molester are gone. Your cult will be a foot note in history, much like that pagans!

They will have all converted to Islam long before that could happen.

True story............

On the other hand, would you have a problem with Muslims converting to Christianity or any other religion they choose? It appears the Muslims have a big problem with this, and in so many cases if the apostates are not just harassed by their friends and relatives, they are killed. Surely a "smart" guy like you is aware of all this?.


jt2

 

[Sunni Man]

No one ever want's to leave Islam so your point is moot.

 

[Hossfly]

No one ever want's to leave Islam so your point is moot.

A pity, that.

 

[docmauser1]

What violence and oppression? I haven't noticed any??

"This is an intellectual muslim. He is a great example of why you cannot negotiate with muslims. He is a great example of how corrupt and deceitful muslims can be." I can add: this is why muslims are so hard to have a conversation with, they ignore anything that points out the faults with islam and their god mohammed. "

LOL, you are soo lame that you had to recycle the exact same words from a previous post.

In memorable words of Bassam Tibbi "The dialogue is not proceeding well because of the two-facedness of most Muslim interlocutors on the one hand and the gullibility of well-meaning Western idealists on the other." Dooh!

 

[logical4u]

No one ever want's to leave Islam so your point is moot.

"""This is an intellectual muslim. He is a great example of why you cannot negotiate with muslims. He is a great example of how corrupt and deceitful muslims can be. "

I can add: this is why muslims are so hard to have a conversation with, they ignore anything that points out the faults with islam and their god mohammed. ""

 

[Sunni Man]

LOL, broken record

 

[Hossfly]

LOL, broken record

The broken record here is Muslims saying there is no compulsion in religion, while at the same time they are busy murdering people of other religions right and left -- even other Muslims. I guess Sunni Man doesn't mind reading about all the dead bodies of the Shiites lying in the streets of Pakistan where his Sunni brethren have blown them up. Perhaps if would like to give us a good explanation as to why this happens. As for Muslims converting, here are some of them. Testimonies of Muslims who became Christians



jt2

 

[Sunni Man]

They are just Islamophobic lies made up to deceive gullible people.

 

[SAYIT]

They are just Islamophobic lies made up to deceive gullible people.

RIIIIIGHT! Mali's Muslimns meet their new master (caution ...Islamists at work):

Fear Stalks Mali’s Refugees Despite Escape to Safety
Lynsey Addario for The New York Times
By ADAM NOSSITER
Published: July 18, 2012
FASSALA, Mauritania — A column of 30 pickup trucks crammed with people fleeing Mali snaked through this border town early Wednesday, a replay of a much-repeated scene as the refugees’ desert homeland collapsed further into factional chaos.

There were over 1,000 in Wednesday’s procession, joining more than 90,000 who have already fled through this mud-brick village, the closest haven to the armed free fall on the other side. They were on their way to the United Nations refugee camp at Mbera, 20 miles away.

Still, it was the newest arrivals’ first taste of release from a nightmarish world across the border where Islamist extremists preaching Shariah flog nonbelievers publicly in the ancient town of Timbuktu, armed men circulate to enforce the new order, and other factions threaten to take the vast and rapidly emptying territory back.

Africa - International News - The New York Times

 

[P F Tinmore]

GAZA, (PIC)-- The Palestinian center for human rights on Tuesday denied that a Muslim group kidnapped five Christians or coerced them into being Muslims, affirming that they converted to Islam of their free will.

Director of the legal unit at the center Iyad Al-Alimi said that at the request of two Christian families, we held two separate meetings, one with Ramez Al-Amash and another with Hiba Abu Dawoud and her three daughters in the headquarters of the center in Gaza.

Alimi affirmed that the officials at the center made sure that the five Palestinian citizens converted to Islam of their free will without coercion and the accusations about their kidnapping were unfounded.

Human rights group: All the 5 Christians converted to Islam of their free will

 

[docmauser1]

The Palestinian center for human rights on Tuesday denied that a Muslim group kidnapped five Christians or coerced them into being Muslims, affirming that they converted to Islam of their free will.

Do palistanians seriously believe they can sell this farfur-tv pathetic joke?

 

[Hollie]

I get that. Now how do you tell the "bad" muslims from the "good" muslims? Just like: how do you tell an illegal alien that is here out of survival desperation from one that has come to bring mayhem. The "good" is a cover for the bad, and until the "good" stand up against the bad, they are "enablers".

Or perhaps victims. Violence and the threat of violence to oneself and one's family can have a chilling effect on even the courageous. Many live under the oppression of Islamic culture. Just sayin' ya shouldn't toss the baby with the bathwater.

I understand that in the ME. What is wrong with the muslims in Europe and here? Why won't they "stand up" against the violence and oppression? They have the opportunity to have better lives, yet they cower against terrorists, here (or are terrorist here with honor killings and such)? At what point are they responsible for allowing this vicious to be perpetuated?

Points well taken.

I think there can be an appreciation of fear and intimidation felt by moderate moslems in middle eastern nations where the more excitable of the ummah'ists can be a threat to life and limb. On the other hand, its a point well taken that Moslem immigrants, in aggregate, are unlikely to make any effort to confront the radical elements in their midst. I think that we in the West need to come to an understanding that "radical", is a misnomer. There is ample sanction in the Koran and sunna for the hate and revulsion of kuffar that expresses itself in the actions of pious moslems.


Ultimately, its a matter of assigning responsibility. I never expect a hue and cry of protest from the "moderate" moslems in condemnation of the continuing atrocities of their brethren. I have come not to expect a peep or a whimper of protest from moderate moslems regarding the institutionalized policies of oppression and apartheid regarding non-moslems in Moslem Lands. The "moderates" have had decades, (well, more like centuries), to reign in the falsely-described "fundamentalists" and have demonstrated a consistent pattern of inaction. In practice, tacit endorsement of the actions of the fundies has been more the rule than the exception.

 

[Roudy]

Mohammad was an illiterate, pedophile, terrorist, mass murdering theif.

True story....

theif ? ? is that some illiterate, dyslexic steeler person?

No, Mohammad the pig and his criminal gang of thugs would attack Caravans and rob, murder, and rape travelers. This is during Ramadan pre Islam, at a time when even the worst criminals would customarily give people a break, and before he became "the prophet of Islam". Until then he hadn't butchered enough people to be elevated to Arab "prophethood". Isn't that why Shiite animals call Khomeini "Imam" (prophet)? Cause he's responsible for at least 1.5 million deaths.


When the Apostle heard about Abu Sufyan coming from Syria, he summoned the Muslims and said, “This is the Quraish caravan containing their property. Go out to attack it, perhaps Allah will give it as a prey.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 428)

The Quraysh said that Muhammad and his Companions violated the sanctity of the Sacred Month and shed blood, confiscated property and took prisoners during it. (Ibn Kathir)

“If you have killed in the sacred month, they have kept you back from the way of Allah with their unbelief in Him, and from the sacred mosque, and have driven you from it when you were its people.* This is a more serious matter with Allah then the killing of those of them whom you have slain. ‘And seduction is worse than killing.’** They used to seduce the Muslim in his religion until they made him return to unbelief after believing, and that is worse with Allah than killing.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 426)

After his eviction by the Meccans, Muhammad and his Muslims found refuge many miles away in Medina where they were not being bothered by their former adversaries.* Despite this, Muhammad sent his men on seven unsuccessful raids against Meccan caravans before finally finding one, whereupon they murdered the driver and plundered the contents. This particular caravan was especially vulnerable because the attack came during the holy months, when the merchants were least expecting it due to the generally agreed upon rule that the tribes of the area would not attack each other during that time: [A Muslim raider] who had shaved his head, looked down on them [the Meccan caravan], and when they saw him they felt safe and said, "They are pilgrims, you have nothing to fear from them."* (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 424) The shaved head caused the Muslims to look like pilgrims rather than raiders, which instilled a false sense of security in the drivers.* However, Islam was a different sort of religion than what the Meccans were used to: [The Muslim raiders] encouraged each other, and decided to kill as many as they could of them and take what they had.* Waqid shot Amr bin al-Hadrami with an arrow and killed him...* (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 425)

 

[Peach]

When Christians/Jews/Hindus/Buddahists wipe Islam from the Earth no one will carry whose fault it was, they will only carry that followers of the Great Child Molester are gone. Your cult will be a foot note in history, much like that pagans!

They will have all converted to Islam long before that could happen.

True story............

On the other hand, would you have a problem with Muslims converting to Christianity or any other religion they choose? It appears the Muslims have a big problem with this, and in so many cases if the apostates are not just harassed by their friends and relatives, they are killed. Surely a "smart" guy like you is aware of all this?.


jt2

Saddam's Iraq was an exception. Tariq Aziz was a Christian, as was Saddam's second wife.

 

[P F Tinmore]

They will have all converted to Islam long before that could happen.

True story............

On the other hand, would you have a problem with Muslims converting to Christianity or any other religion they choose? It appears the Muslims have a big problem with this, and in so many cases if the apostates are not just harassed by their friends and relatives, they are killed. Surely a "smart" guy like you is aware of all this?.


jt2

Saddam's Iraq was an exception. Tariq Aziz was a Christian, as was Saddam's second wife.

And Arafat's wife is a Christian.

 

[logical4u]

They are just Islamophobic lies made up to deceive gullible people.

""""This is an intellectual muslim. He is a great example of why you cannot negotiate with muslims. He is a great example of how corrupt and deceitful muslims can be. "

I can add: this is why muslims are so hard to have a conversation with, they ignore anything that points out the faults with islam and their god mohammed. "" "

 

[logical4u]

Originally published by the Gatestone Institute.

Not only did the original “underwear bomber” Abdullah Hassan al-Asiri hide explosives in his rectum to assassinate Saudi Prince Muhammad bin Nayef—they met in 2009 after the 22-year-old Asiri “feigned repentance for his jihadi views“—but this “holy-warrior” apparently had fellow jihadists repeatedly sodomize him to “widen” his anus to fit the explosives—and all in accordance with the fatwas of Islamic clerics.



A 2010 Arabic news video that aired on Fadak TV gives the details. Apparently a cleric, one Abu al-Dema al-Qasab, informed al-Asiri and other jihadis of an “innovative and unprecedented way to execute martyrdom operations: place explosive capsules in your anus. However, to undertake this jihadi approach you must agree to be sodomized for a while to widen your anus so it can hold the explosives.”

Others inquired further by asking for formal fatwas. Citing his desire for “martyrdom and the virgins of paradise,” one jihadi (possibly al-Asiri himself) asked another sheikh, “Is it permissible for me to let one of the jihadi brothers sodomize me to widen my anus if the intention is good?”

After praising Allah, the sheikh’s fatwa began by declaring that sodomy is forbidden in Islam,


However, jihad comes first, for it is the pinnacle of Islam, and if the pinnacle of Islam can only be achieved through sodomy, then there is no wrong in it. For the overarching rule of [Islamic] jurisprudence asserts that ‘necessity makes permissible the prohibited.’ And if obligatory matters can only be achieved by performing the prohibited, then it becomes obligatory to perform the prohibited, and there is no greater duty than jihad. After he sodomizes you, you must ask Allah for forgiveness and praise him all the more. And know that Allah will reward the jihadis on the Day of Resurrection, according to their intentions—and your intention, Allah willing, is for the victory of Islam, and we ask that Allah accept it of you.

Two important and complementary points emerge from this matter: 1) that jihad is the “pinnacle” of Islam—for it makes Islam supreme (based on a Muhammad hadith); and 2) that “necessity makes permissible the prohibited.” These axioms are not limited to modern day fatwas, but in fact, were crystallized centuries ago, agreed to by the ulema, or Islam’s leading doctrinaires.
The result is that, because making Islam supreme through jihad is the greatest priority, anything and everything that is otherwise banned becomes permissible. All that comes to matter is one’s intention, or niyya.

From here one may understand the many ostensible incongruities of Islamic history: lying is forbidden—but permissible to empower Islam; intentionally killing women and children is forbidden—but permissible during the jihad; suicide is forbidden—but permissible during the jihad, called “martyrdom.”

Indeed, the Five Pillars of Islam—including prayer and fasting—may be ignored during the jihad. (So important was the duty of jihad that the Ottoman sultans, who often spent half their lives on the battlefield, were not permitted to perform the obligatory pilgrimage to Mecca.)



More recently, these ideas appeared in different form during Egypt’s elections, when Islamic leaders portrayed voting as a form of jihad—leading to the abuse and even killing of those not voting for the Muslim Brotherhood.

According to these two doctrines—which culminate in empowering Islam, no matter how—one may expect anything from would-be jihadis, regardless of how dubious the effort may otherwise seem.

Even so, this mentality, which is prevalent throughout the Islamic world, especially along the frontlines of the jihad, is the same mentality that many Western leaders and politicians think can be appeased with just a bit more respect, well-wishing, and concessions from the West.

Such are the great, and disastrous, disconnects of our time.
Sodomy ‘For the Sake of Islam’ | FrontPage Magazine

Yes islam, communism, socialism, liberalism, progressivism, homosexual activism, environmentalism all have this mentality in common: it is okay to do anything as long as it puts "their dear leaders" in power. The legion will have nothing but poverty and misery, but they follow cult-like after their Charles Manson like leaders, and refuse to use the ability to reason the Lord gave to them?

 

[P F Tinmore]

You do realize that the Gatestone Institute Is an Israeli propaganda site, don't you?