Gaza and the Camp David Accords

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    Does anyone have a source for information on the negotiation between Begin and Sadat over the status of Gaza? I have heard that the Egyptians insisted that the Israeli's take Gaza ("Let them choke on 1.2M Arabs" was a quote I remember). Is this true? Does anyone know of any legitimate source material on this subject?

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    Good question, but, Gaza is part of Palestine and Sadat and Begin don't have anything to legitimately say about it.
     
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    Well before '67 it was part of Egypt. Now it is run by Hamas, but strangely tied to Israel, before 48 it was the British, before that the Ottomans. So its hard to say what Gaza is.

    What I can say is that I don't know of any successful small state that is not geographically connected the way the proposed Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza is. Why not build bonds between Gaza and Egypt. It makes much more sense.
     
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    A country does not cease to exist when it is occupied.

    Palestine was recognized as an independent state by post WWI treaties. Its borders as a successor state to that division of the Ottoman Empire were defined in 1922. That land was ceded to the government of Palestine.

    Britain administered (some would say occupied) Palestine during the Palestine Mandate period. Britain never had possession of Palestine.

    After the 1948 war the UN armistice agreements drew cease fire lines on top of Palestine. These lines, now frequently called 1967 borders, were specifically not to be considered political or national borders. These lines did not change Palestine's defined borders. Palestine was divided into three areas of occupation: Israeli, Egyptian, and Jordanian.

    In 1967 Israel took over the occupation of the Wast Bank from Jordan and the occupation of Gaza from Egypt.

    Palestine's borders, as defined in 1922, remain unchanged today.
     
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    Well stated. Excellent historical record. I learned something from this post.

    The borders of Yugoslavia remain unchanged as well--they include Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Serbia (of which Kosovo is a part).
     
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    That postulate has been a source of inspiration for palistanian country music, of course.
    Namely?
    And who was that emir, scheikh, sultan, imam, president or PM of that alleged "government"?
     
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    Gaza is a cesspool.
     
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    "palestine" is an alternate name for Judea/Israel The "OTTOMAN EMPIRE" was an entity created by brutal conquest and colonialism. Its "division" is as illegal as its creation
     
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    I can't answer your question re camp david, sadat, begin and gaza.

    But recently I discovered that after the 1948 war, Ben Gurion desperately wanted to have Gaza within Israel itself.

    He even offered to give all the Gazans and the refugees there Israeli citizenship if Egypt would cede Gaza to Israel. Egypt refused. That would be 20% of Israelis today if Egypt had accepted!

    There were only 90,000 Gazans before 1948.
    Now 1.5 million.

    So many Pals were expelled by force not just in war but for 2 years; from Ashkelon and the south coast area where no jews were ever at any time in all history present before in any numbers.

    This ethnic cleansing went on for 2 years until 1950. The south coast was never ever Jewish and had been given to the Arabs by the UN partition plan.

    That's why its so hard for Hamas and Gazans to recognise the 1967 borders; they are almost all the rightful owners of the south coast area of Israel stolen viciously and with no legitimacy whatsoever.

    But things are changing fast in Gaza. The visit of the Qatari Emir is very significant. Hamas is moving from the Iran terror network to the Sunni mainstream where it came from in the first place.
     
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    so is the USA, Australia, New Zealand...quite a list, actually
     

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