Gay Marriage May Have Cost Obama Floridah

[Seawytch]

Back when he was first elected one of the things I respected about the man was that he said that he believed marriage was between a man and a woman. The same went for my wife as we both saw him say that on television. Now he tossed that aside for attempted political gain and oh yeah, after speaking to his daughters concerning the direction of this National issue. Who in their right mind would base a major national issue on a child's opinion. Good grief! He has lost almost all of the respect that we held for him.

If anyone question just how far we've come as a country regarding gay and lesbian equality, it's summed up right here. This guy thinks that President Obama came out in support of marriage equality FOR political gain.

Well, to be absolutely fair, he did...

Not that there's anything wrong with that, to use the venacular.

But his position was just as much about rallying parts of his base and raising money as it was about a policy change or the right thing to do.

Otherwise he would have come out in 2009 or 2011 when people weren't paying as much attention.

He's sensed a political oppurtunity, and he took it. Nothing wrong with that, but that's what it is. He probalby focus grouped it, did a cost-benefit analysis, and realized he'd gain more than he'd lose.

Appealing to who? If the claim is that President Obama did the right thing for political gain, where is the "gain"? Isn't the current RW narrative that his coming out in support of marriage equality is going to hurt him in swing states? How is that gainful?

So, who is he "appealing" to? "They gheys" were going to vote for him anyway. He didn't sign the "marriage pledge" like Reversible Mittens did.

Now, historically there have been considerable gains in his actions. There has been a dramatic increase in the number of African Americans who now support marriage equality based on his pronouncement. That's huge.

It remains to see whether this will hurt the President in the long run, but he's made the history books with this and somewhere there is a kid who won't kill himself because his President has publicly stated his support for his equality.

 

[JakeStarkey]

BHO did it (1) because he thought it was the right thing to do, and (2) he was forced to by Joe Biden's speech and continual pushing from the GLBT left. This won't hurt him, because he will lose FL and NC anyway as well as VA probably. Yet it winds up the GLBT support and $$$ even more for him. It's a win win for him.

 

[JoeB131]

Appealing to who? If the claim is that President Obama did the right thing for political gain, where is the "gain"? Isn't the current RW narrative that his coming out in support of marriage equality is going to hurt him in swing states? How is that gainful?

So, who is he "appealing" to? "They gheys" were going to vote for him anyway. He didn't sign the "marriage pledge" like Reversible Mittens did.

Now, historically there have been considerable gains in his actions. There has been a dramatic increase in the number of African Americans who now support marriage equality based on his pronouncement. That's huge.

It remains to see whether this will hurt the President in the long run, but he's made the history books with this and somewhere there is a kid who won't kill himself because his President has publicly stated his support for his equality.

You see, I don't buy that. It's not just about who was going to vote for him. The gay folks were probably going to vote for him anyway, but the kind of person who hates gays was going to vote for Romney. They were even going to totally ignore his previous support for gay rights and the fact he belongs to a heretical cult they don't like. (Unless they were already in that cult.)

In fact, I'm truly impressed by the way the far religious right has fallen in line behind Romney this time. Probably going to be the last time the Establishment can pull this off if he doesn't win.


The advantage for Obama, of course, was in fund raising. A lot of people who weren't opening their wallets even after repealling DADT are opening them now. So if that lets him buy a few more "Bain did me dirty" ads in Ohio or Virginia, it more than makes up for the few only slightly homophobic people who might have been swayed.

 

[JoeB131]

BHO did it (1) because he thought it was the right thing to do, and (2) he was forced to by Joe Biden's speech and continual pushing from the GLBT left. This won't hurt him, because he will lose FL and NC anyway as well as VA probably. Yet it winds up the GLBT support and $$$ even more for him. It's a win win for him.

Again, the only one he might lose is NC.

When the American people realize what Mittens did at Bain, he's going to be as popular as a Tila Tequila at a Church picnic.

Gratuitous picture of Tila. You can thank me later.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Obama will lose Florida and North Carolina, and probably Virginia.

 

[JoeB131]

Obama will lose Florida and North Carolina, and probably Virginia.

Polls show he's leading in Virginia right now... and running dead even in Florida.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, they do, and that will change for Romney's benefit.

 

[Rozman]

Obama was forced to make the move because of Biden
and also some big donors were sitting on the side lines
holding back big money....

Obama did it for the bucks....
.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Obama was forced to make the move because of Biden and also some big donors were sitting on the side lines holding back big money.... Obama did it for the bucks.... .

Rozman, BHO is a politician. Of course what he did was calculated politically and financially. He also believes in universal marriage is my opinion.

 

[hortysir]

But what do you base that on?

Romney's only poltiical office was govenror of Massachusetts. He held it for one term, was the least popular governor in the country (even coming in behind Rod Blagovoich) and his state was ranked 47 out of 50 in job creation. He didn't even try to run for a second term.

And this was during a time when the economy wasn't so bad, his performance was pathetic.

If Past is Prologue, then really, Romney's past doesn't say good things.


Now, he'll talk about the Olympics (where he begged for and got a big government bailout) or Bain (where he ruined a lot of lives) but he isn't talking about the one job that was about as close to the one he is actually running for and was his most recent professional experience.

Take a tour of the internet and get a gander at what happened to Illinois' debt/deficit while Obama was state senator in a dem-majority.

I'm sorry... was Obama the Governor at the time. The period when he was in the state legislature we had Republican governors for all but two of those years.

Also, it wasn't really a very big deficit or debt prior to 2004... In fact, deficits as part of the budget in FY 2003 were only 3% of the total budget in a recession year.

So you'll blame a Republican Governor for budget woes, but when it's a Democratic President it's Congress' fault!!!!

 

[Greenbeard]

Obama will lose Florida and North Carolina, and probably Virginia.

Regarding Florida, Obama's got a bit of an ace in the hole with Medicare once we get into the fall season.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Im not for gay marriage, but two hot chicks are ok. If they're Rachael Maddow or Rosie O'Donell it should be against the law......who's with me!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[tjvh]

Obama will lose Florida and North Carolina, and probably Virginia.

Regarding Florida, Obama's got a bit of an ace in the hole with Medicare once we get into the fall season.

Oh yeah, one must never discount Obama's ability to instill FEAR in the minds of Seniors.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Obama will lose Florida and North Carolina, and probably Virginia.

Regarding Florida, Obama's got a bit of an ace in the hole with Medicare once we get into the fall season.

I find it funny that democrats never can find things in the budget to cut, yet they never want to reform any programs, curious, so Obama is gonna scare seniors into the old you'll lose medicare (but under his plan he'll tell you to take a pain pill and go peacefully) and social security (yeah doesnt need changed, it's gonna work great once the boomers come on board)

 

[Greenbeard]

I find it funny that democrats never can find things in the budget to cut, yet they never want to reform any programs,

The Democrats already passed a slate of Medicare reforms, over two years ago. In the last two years or so, Medicare cost growth has slowed to its lowest rate in history, all without blowing up the program.

 

[buckeye45_73]

I find it funny that democrats never can find things in the budget to cut, yet they never want to reform any programs,

The Democrats already passed a slate of Medicare reforms, over two years ago. In the last two years or so, Medicare cost growth has slowed to its lowest rate in history, all without blowing up the program.

link please...... And if true we dont need Obamacare....woooohoooo. yay democrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[tjvh]

I find it funny that democrats never can find things in the budget to cut, yet they never want to reform any programs,

The Democrats already passed a slate of Medicare reforms, over two years ago. In the last two years or so, Medicare cost growth has slowed to its lowest rate in history, all without blowing up the program.

yeah right.

 

[Greenbeard]

I find it funny that democrats never can find things in the budget to cut, yet they never want to reform any programs,

The Democrats already passed a slate of Medicare reforms, over two years ago. In the last two years or so, Medicare cost growth has slowed to its lowest rate in history, all without blowing up the program.

link please...... And if true we dont need Obamacare....woooohoooo. yay democrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sure. I've posted them before and I'm sure I'll have to post them again.

Some observations from March of this year: Slower Growth in Medicare Spending — Is This the New Normal? | NEJM

But there are indications that Medicare spending growth has slowed. One highly visible gauge of Medicare spending trends is the standard monthly Part B premium, which is set by the Medicare actuary to cover one quarter of total Part B spending. In August 2011, the actuary projected that the Part B premium for 2012 would be $106.60, but the actual premium was set in November at only $99.90. A much broader indicator of a slowing trend is the fact that growth in Medicare outlays per enrollee in 2010 and 2011 was roughly in line with growth in the economy (see graphExcess Medicare Spending Growth.). And in January 2012, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) made a $69 billion downward revision to its 10-year Medicare spending projection — a technical correction that reflects emerging data showing surprisingly slow growth in outlays. Similar slowing trends have led to positive earnings surprises for publicly traded insurers.

Providers are beginning to change the way they do business to improve the cost picture without compromising quality. The recent Medicare and Medicaid reforms offered carrots for these improvements and, through Medicare, the looming threat of some big sticks on the horizon.

Medicare spending in surprising slowdown | UPI.com

U.S. Medicare spending growth has slowed even as enrollment rises, and could remain below targets set by Congress for the next 10 years, experts said.

Medicare recorded a sharp drop in the volume of doctor visits and other outpatient services early in 2010, from an annual growth rate of 4 percent growth to less than 2 percent.

"We thought, 'Wow, what's happening?'" chief Medicare actuary Rick Foster told The Washington Post in an interview. "Part B cost growth has slowed down so much, we're seeing virtually the lowest rates ever."

Washington Stuck Fighting Wrong Health-Care Battle | Bloomberg

This brings us back to the progress being made beyond the Beltway toward a better combination of cost and quality in health care. Consistent with other evidence that points to a deceleration in cost pressures is a Congressional Budget Office report earlier this month showing that Medicare spending has risen less than 3 percent over the past year.

Bending The Health Care Cost Curve: More Than Meets The Eye? | Health Affairs Blog

During the past months, a number of important articles have appeared in the healthcare literature on the subject of the recent slowing of health-spending growth in the U.S. In an article in January’s Health Affairs, economists at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services suggest that the recession, even though officially ending in mid-2009, was the major factor in “extraordinarily slow” spending growth of 4.7 percent in 2008 and 3.9 percent in 2010, down from 7.5 percent in 2007 and double-digit growth in the 1980s and 1990s. Also citing recessionary causes, a report from the McKinsey Center for U.S. Health System Reform specifies declines in the rate of overall spending growth for eight consecutive years, from 9.2 percent in 2002 to 4.0 percent in 2009.

The purpose of this commentary is to suggest—through observations and data analyses—that independent of the recession, other fundamental and structural changes are likely contributing to the flattening of the cost curve, and further, that these changes have the potential to significantly alter the curve’s path into the future. Two independent analyses support this premise.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Most Cubans and blacks are anti-homosexual, so trying to sell himself to the gay crowd in Miami will hurt Obamination get those on the fence for him. They will just stay home this time seeing him as a panderer.

The blue haired retirees are mostly against gay marriage so their presence in the state will be felt. Of course, Obamination will roll out lies on TV/radio about Romney taking away their healthcare benefits if Obamacare is overturned.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Most Cuban-Americans are GOP, so they will vote for Romney.

The gay issue will not hurt Obama in any significant way with blacks, and Hispanics have no issue with it in %s than whites.

Nonetheless, Romney will take Florida.