Gawd...Southern GOP is embarrassing the region EVEN MORE! Seccession? REALLY?

[JoeB131]

My God man. I live in the South, and I love the South. Not for rebel flags or rednecks. I love the SOuth because of the great weather, the HOT women (seriously, Charleston has the hottest and most per capita women on the planet), the great food, and COLLEGE FOOTBALL!!!

But sometimes Im embarrassed to be in the South. And its usually because of something a far right wing republican redneck did. Well...now its plural.

WTF is up with all these people wanted to secede??? Didnt we do that 150 years ago? Hell, Im living about 10 miles from Fort Sumter where it damn happened in 1861!

GOP.....just really?

And it's only "far right wing republican rednecks" who are calling for that un-American crap. Losers... the lot of them.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWH3AmHMGuE]Michael Moore & Change.org's Anti-Romney Ad, The Greatest Generation - YouTube[/ame]

Grow a sense of humor, that was funny...

 

[bodecea]

I hope the WH response is:

 

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[The Infidel]

And it's only "far right wing republican rednecks" who are calling for that un-American crap. Losers... the lot of them.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWH3AmHMGuE]Michael Moore & Change.org's Anti-Romney Ad, The Greatest Generation - YouTube[/ame]

Grow a sense of humor, that was funny...

No, not really... It was very unclassy & low brow for a presidential election.

It also shows the hypocrisy you guys seem to exhibit very often.

 

[bucs90]

In yesterday's readers comment section of the Charleston paper, a guy wrote a letter to his son (sarcasm) in which he said his son would have a future to look forward to in which "The USA could no longer send aid to foreign countries, but would be stuck having to spend it on people right here".

He was saying it like its a bad thing. And I thought....what a concept! Spend our money on OUR people. Guess right wingers are ok with the govt spending money on the poor....as long as the poor dont live in America.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In yesterday's readers comment section of the Charleston paper, a guy wrote a letter to his son (sarcasm) in which he said his son would have a future to look forward to in which "The USA could no longer send aid to foreign countries, but would be stuck having to spend it on people right here".

He was saying it like its a bad thing. And I thought....what a concept! Spend our money on OUR people. Guess right wingers are ok with the govt spending money on the poor....as long as the poor dont live in America.

You make less and less sense with every post. Your latest puts you solidly in FrancoWTF territory.

 

[Avatar4321]

There are secession petitions in all 50 states. Hardly a southern thing.

Though it's foolish to actually sign any such petitions to hand to the White House.

 

[mikegriffith1]

America was founded on the principle that a group of people organized into a sub-unit of a large unit have the natural right to peacefully separate from the parent unit. From an article of mine on the Civil War:

In order to believe that the framers intended the federal government to have the right to compel a state to remain in the Union, one would have to ignore the fact that the framers rejected the idea of allowing the federal government to use force against a state. One would also have to believe that the founders gave the federal government a right that they didn’t believe the British government possessed. George Washington and many other Patriots believed the British were “unjust invaders” for attempting to force the colonies to remain under British control against their will, and they resented being called “rebels” and “traitors” for wanting independence (see, for example, Washington’s 13 January 1777 letter to Lord William Howe, the commander of the British forces in America at the time). James Madison said England’s attempt to force the colonies to submit to British authority was “unjust and unwise” (Federalist Paper Number 46). When American Patriots met in Philadelphia in 1775 and issued a declaration on their reasons for taking up arms, they made it clear they didn’t like being called “rebels” and “traitors“:

The general [British general Thomas Gage], further emulating his ministerial masters, by a proclamation bearing date on the 12th day of June, after venting the grossest falsehoods and calumnies against the good people of these colonies, proceeds to “declare them all, either by name or description, to be rebels and traitors, to supersede the course of the common law, and instead thereof to publish and order the use and exercise of the law martial." ("A Declaration by the Representatives of the United Colonies of North-America, Now Met in Congress at Philadelphia, Setting Forth the Causes and Necessity of Their Taking Up Arms," July 6, 1775)

Continental Army surgeon James Thacher didn't like the label of "rebels" either--he complained of being “stigmatized” as “rebels” by the enemy:

The great majority of the people are happily united in the resolution to oppose, to the uttermost, the wicked attempts of the English cabinet. This class of people have assumed the appellation of Whigs; but by our enemies are stigmatized by the name of Rebels. (Journal of James Thacher, 1775)

Our Patriot forefathers also had a lot to say about the colonies’ natural right to self-government and independence. Samuel Adams talked about natural rights and the fact that every natural right not expressly surrendered remains with the people:

All men have a right to remain in a state of nature as long as they please; and in case of intolerable oppression, civil or religious, to leave the society they belong to, and enter into another.

When men enter into society, it is by voluntary consent; and they have a right to demand and insist upon the performance of such conditions and previous limitations as form an equitable original compact.

Every natural right not expressly given up, or, from the nature of a social compact, necessarily ceded, remains."

All positive and civil laws should conform, as far as possible, to the law of natural reason and equity." ("The Rights of the Colonists," November 1772)

In fact, Adams said the people's sovereignty is so absolute that even if they should, for whatever reason, renounce an essential natural right, that right remained with them anyway:

If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation." (“The Rights of the Colonists”)

Thomas Paine:

Every thing that is right or natural pleads for separation. . . . A government of our own is our natural right. (Common Sense, Philadelphia: W. & T. Bradford, 1776, III:19, 50, emphasis added)

Richard Henry Lee:

Resolved, That these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States, that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain is, and ought to be, totally dissolved. (Resolution of Richard Henry Lee, Journals of the Continental Congress, June 7, 1776)

The Sons of Liberty of Connecticut adopted a resolution that said the people had the right to reassume the authority they had delegated:

Resolved. 1st. That every form of government rightfully founded, originates from the consent of the people.

2d. That the boundaries set by the people in all constitutions are the only limits within which any officer can lawfully exercise authority.

3d. That whenever those bounds are exceeded, the people have a right to reassume the exercise of that authority which by nature they had before they delegated it to individuals. (Connecticut Resolutions on the Stamp Act, December 10, 1765, emphasis added)

John Adams, a key figure in the American Revolution who later became our second president, echoed these thoughts. He taught that the ultimate powers of government belonged to the citizens of the colonies, that the powers with which parliament and even the king ruled were in reality delegated powers that belonged to the citizens of each colony, and that those citizens had the right to resume those powers whenever they felt they were being misused badly enough. In fact, Adams viewed these principles as “the root and branch of the colonial cause.”

These principles are nothing more or less than the right of secession--one could also call this right the right of separation or the right of independence, as the Patriots usually did. Adams expressed these principles in his famous exchange with a Tory pen-named Massachusettensis (Adams, in turn, wrote under the pen name of Novanglus). (Southern Side of the Civil War)​

 

[GuyPinestra]

There are buses going north every day. As my Daddy used to say, "Beautify the South, put a Yankee on a bus". You won't be missed.

Im not a Yankee. Born and raised in Cherokee County, SC, Gaffney to be exact. Near the "Giant Peach".

I love the South.

But sometimes the morons make it hard to be proud of it. Morons are everywhere. But not all morons are stuck in the 1950's like a few down here are. I hate when people mock and laugh at my home area. The SC coast is gorgeous, full of wonderful people. And it only takes a handful of dumb rednecks to make us the national joke....yet again.

So I wont be going North...because I've never been from there and dont care to be. I love SEC football and fried chicken. I love mud-dogging and saying "ya'll".

But talking about seccession??? REALLY?

Let me get this straight, bucs.

You "hate when people mock and laugh at my home area.", based on the behavior of "a handful of dumb rednecks", but you thoroughly enjoy doing the EXACT SAME THING to Conservatives.

Got it!

 

[GuyPinestra]

There are buses going north every day. As my Daddy used to say, "Beautify the South, put a Yankee on a bus". You won't be missed.

Born and raised here, just got a decent education and a look at the wide world. People with brains and talent have been deserting this place for generations.

By your own words you must be lacking the "brains and talent".

 

[Black_Label]

In yesterday's readers comment section of the Charleston paper, a guy wrote a letter to his son (sarcasm) in which he said his son would have a future to look forward to in which "The USA could no longer send aid to foreign countries, but would be stuck having to spend it on people right here".

He was saying it like its a bad thing. And I thought....what a concept! Spend our money on OUR people. Guess right wingers are ok with the govt spending money on the poor....as long as the poor dont live in America.

Right wingers are dumb as hell. I feel sorry you have to live around that trash.

 

[GuyPinestra]

The fundamental issue confronting America is simply what road will one travel, as a follower of the progressive socialist movement or one who desires for the preservation of the founding morals and principles that built this country.

These morals and principles included owning slaves, women couldn't vote, white men of no means couldn't vote. Do you desire for the preservation of these morals and principles?

Leave it to the local moron to bring up THOSE red herrings.

Jason, are you so stupid as to believe that ANY of those things are going to "make a comeback"?

 

[The Infidel]

My God man. I live in the South, and I love the South. Not for rebel flags or rednecks. I love the SOuth because of the great weather, the HOT women (seriously, Charleston has the hottest and most per capita women on the planet), the great food, and COLLEGE FOOTBALL!!!

But sometimes Im embarrassed to be in the South. And its usually because of something a far right wing republican redneck did. Well...now its plural.

WTF is up with all these people wanted to secede??? Didnt we do that 150 years ago? Hell, Im living about 10 miles from Fort Sumter where it damn happened in 1861!

GOP.....just really?

Let them express their anger... It will pass, just like all the idiots on the left threatening to move away after Boosh got elected.

I just can't believe they would put their names on a list... Bet they all get audited by the IRS

 

[shock]

A few good penmen armed with a variety of pens and pencils can turn out as many signatures on as many petitions as Wall Street, our corporations and clans such as the Koch Brothers are willing to buy.

United we stand and divided we fall.

A small nation such as
Israel
with a plan, an organization and money necessary to accomplish its purpose,
can,
if we are divided,
not only control us
but also own us body and soul.

As for those who believe that has already happened,
consider the fact we still have enough freedom of speech
and enough freedom of action
to break away from our captor,
but if we were divded
we would lack the unity, the will, the strength and the power to do so.

SHOCKLEY

 

[GuyPinestra]

My God man. I live in the South, and I love the South. Not for rebel flags or rednecks. I love the SOuth because of the great weather, the HOT women (seriously, Charleston has the hottest and most per capita women on the planet), the great food, and COLLEGE FOOTBALL!!!

But sometimes Im embarrassed to be in the South. And its usually because of something a far right wing republican redneck did. Well...now its plural.

WTF is up with all these people wanted to secede??? Didnt we do that 150 years ago? Hell, Im living about 10 miles from Fort Sumter where it damn happened in 1861!

GOP.....just really?

Let them express their anger... It will pass, just like all the idiots on the left threatening to move away after Boosh got elected.

I just can't believe they would put their names on a list... Bet they all get audited by the IRS

They'll be high on the list of 'subversives' to be monitored, also.

Homeland Security needs the work...

 

[JoeB131]

Michael Moore & Change.org's Anti-Romney Ad, The Greatest Generation - YouTube

Grow a sense of humor, that was funny...

No, not really... It was very unclassy & low brow for a presidential election.

It also shows the hypocrisy you guys seem to exhibit very often.

Or it just showed that old folks are straight to the point and not full of bullshit.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

My God man. I live in the South, and I love the South. Not for rebel flags or rednecks. I love the SOuth because of the great weather, the HOT women (seriously, Charleston has the hottest and most per capita women on the planet), the great food, and COLLEGE FOOTBALL!!!

But sometimes Im embarrassed to be in the South. And its usually because of something a far right wing republican redneck did. Well...now its plural.

WTF is up with all these people wanted to secede??? Didnt we do that 150 years ago? Hell, Im living about 10 miles from Fort Sumter where it damn happened in 1861!

GOP.....just really?

Nice circle jerk you got going here. Care to post a link that connects the petitions with the GOP? As for the South I was lead to believe a lot more then just Southern States were sending in names.

All perfectly legal and Constitutional. However unless several Million people sign such a petition the White House and the Congress will simply, properly, ignore it.

remind what your opinion was of all the Liberals that claimed they were leaving if Bush won reelection? Or was that different?