Game of Chess, Obama let them have a pawn, so what...

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    Game of Chess, Obama let them have a pawn, so what?!...

    I'm left of center on most issues, but libs to the left of me need to stop pretending like the President is a Dictator that can do whatever he wants. He needs cooperation to get things done. This talk of a potential nominee to th left of him for 2012 or not supporting him going forward makes no sense. Pragmatically how can you dismiss the guy that's on your side? You don't have a better alternative and won't at any point for at least 6 years. He's picking and choosing fights. Maybe you think he should pick more wisely or negotiate harder and play better hardball, but dismissing him outright as a sellout is unfair and not smart. I don't even think that's an opinion. It's a fact.

    If you want him to toughen up fine, but don't throw him under the bus. The tax break for the wealthy for 2 years isn't that large, relative to the potential political gain he could garner from throwing them a bone if you/us libs would allow it.
     
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    So....adding an additional $700 Billion dollars to the defecit to extend tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans is a GOOD thing? IF Obama had any balls, he would have held his ground and allowed the GOP take the fall for not extending UI as well as allowing ALL of Bush's tax cuts to expire. The GOP made it a point to say 1) their #1 priority is to ensure Obama is a one term President, and 2) that they would not consider discussing ANY further legislation until all tax of Bush's tac cuts were extended. Knowing this, WHY would Obama even attempt to work with these asshats, when all he had to do was call their bluff and see if they REALLY wanted to be responsible for the fallout as we progress toward the 2012 campaign...
     
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    Personally... I think the smart ground for both sides would have been to go after what each wanted (keeping tax rates and UI extension) and show they mean business by counterbalancing the expense/loss of revenue with cuts in spending somewhere else.... but instead BOTH sides failed and we have a BS situation, yet again
     
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    :eusa_shhh: Red Herring....
     
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    Because, it's not about points against the other party...it's about getting things done for the country. Some people seem to forget that.
     
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    The latest figures show that this deal will cause an additional $900 BILLION in borrowing from Communist China just because the GOP demanded that the tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans be extended before they would agree to help those currently out of a job. If that is "getting things done", I vote for gridlock.
     
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    1) It is not a tax cut, it is keeping the tax rate
    2) Raising taxes now is not something beneficial for what is amiss in the private economy...
    3) 99 weeks should be plenty of 'help'
    4) The 'figures' are all over the place.. Every DEM pol or reporter is putting out differing figures

    And again... nobody willing to look at cutting back... it's spend spend spend.... cut taxes and cut government expenditures even further... THAT is the only way right now.. and hopefully in the future raise tax income by having people not paying income tax finally start having a stake in the game, and cut even more spending
     
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    But wait, deficit spending to bail out the unions, the banks, the mortgage companies, Fannie, Freddie, Wall Street was a good thing. Not taking more of a millionaire's money is a bad thing?

    Oh, all so much class warfare is all this is. Nothing more, nothing less.
     
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    But of course, it's allways.. we just don't take enough of your money.
     
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    So, why didn't the fiscally conservative GOP hold out for spending cuts rather than extending tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans?
     

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