Gallup: Conservatives Finish 2009 as No. 1 Ideological Group-so you know it is higher

[drsmith1072]

notice how the fraud drsmith let's neotrotsky continue to call him Dr. all the while knowing he is a complete fraud. Too funny...

I find it funnier that his argument is to keep claiming one has not substantiated. Of course, he decides when it is "enough".

Maybe he agrees that Papa Obama's policies are pushing us more towards socialism than not

Ok the claim was that "everything he has done since he moved from the podium that said ofice of the president elect to the podium that says office of the president has been aimed creating a managed economy." and in your lame attempts to substantiate this claim you claim

His actions and legislative agenda are pushing us more left- what more "proof" do you want

which is an unsubstantiated opinion and does nothing to prove the claim.

and then your next OPINION was this

I stated that his policies are taking us more to the left socialist direction

more opinion while still offering nothing of substance. Then you follow that up with this.

Papa Obama's policies are taking us more into a "leftist socialist position"

parroting your earlier OPINION while still failing to provide any substance. then comes more of the same parroting with NO substance.

Not at all Good Dr- his policies are the proof -why is that so hard for you to understand

and then there is even more parroting with NO substance.

The "proof" are Papa Obama's policies for pushing us towards a more leftist socialist direction.

Well , Papa Obama turns to a more socialist approach; his policies reflect that and substantiate that - why is this so hard for you to understand-

You want more? See - all of Papa Obama's policies. Is that enough "proof" for you

So throughout this thread you have only been parroting bascially the same unproven statement over and over again and have offered ZERO specifics and nothing of substance.

It's really simple, provide specifics and show how everything obama has done has taken this country to the left or be honest for a change and admit that you were wrong.

 

[drsmith1072]

Truth is hard for the left; in fact, truth tends to be the worst enemy of the left

The "proof" are Papa Obama's policies for pushing us towards a more leftist socialist direction.

Well , Papa Obama turns to a more socialist approach; his policies reflect that and substantiate that - why is this so hard for you to understand


Since it appears you do not agree- The time is for you to as you say "put up or shut up"

Of course, you may agree with statement; so their is no argument. Then again, you may not agree; but you can offer no policies to support that position

tough call

Truth?? When you provide some then we can talk until your OPINION is only your OPINION and your OPINION is all you continue to offer so there is NOTHING to refute.

So in other words, you fail to prove your own argument or provide anything to substantiate it and then tell me that if I disagree that I must therefore prove your UNPROVEN OPINION to be wrong? Do you see the flaw in your logic?

AGAIN the burden of PROOF is on YOU. You made the claim PROVE IT. Parroting the same thing over and over again does nothing to prove it so there is NOTHING to refute. LOL

Are you really this slow?? Sorry if you percieve that as a personal attack but I am seriously curious as to whether you are just being intentionally dishonest to avoid admitting that you have nothing or do you just not get the concept?

Again, Good Dr, we have been over this- his policies are the proof- pick any one you want
My "burden" as you call it - is done. You may not like it or refuse to accept it; but sorry, it does not work that way

"Parroting the same thing over and over again " , I agree this is not working too well for you

Of course, I am open to change. If you feel his policies are not proof of a "socialist push"
then by all means please explain.

If you want to go on the record by saying:

His policies do not push us in a more socialist direction.

I will accept that statement as valid; but not true since I do not agree with it

Says the poster parroting as he pretends that he is presenting a valid argument for the nth time. LOL

Oh and your last sentense says it all. So in order for anything to be true in YOUR mind, YOU have to agree with it?? Got it. LOL
So am I to take it that if you do agree with it, it is the truth and no facts are necessary to substantiate it?? After all that seems to be the delusional stance that you seem to basing your argument on. LOL

That's a pretty shoddy foundation. LOL

 

[Neotrotsky]

which is an unsubstantiated opinion and does nothing to prove the claim.


So throughout this thread you have only been parroting bascially the same unproven statement over and over again and have offered ZERO specifics and nothing of substance.

.... It's really simple, provide specifics and show how everything obama has done has taken this country to the left or be honest for a change and admit that you were wrong.

Again, Good Dr, they have been substantiated; maybe not to your approval , but the game does not work that way- sorry

As for you put it "wrong"; how do we know this?
My statement has been offered and substantiated that is true.

Now for whether or not one feels the statement is wrong, what has been offered to show that conclusion ?

Since the statement is valid; It comes down to:

The statement is either false (wrong)
or
The statement is true (correct)

I see nothing offered by you that one could reach this conclusion. that the statement is wrong. But again, I am open to discussion of this idea.

You do know that one simply not agreeing with a statement does not make it false or wrong as you say ?

 

[drsmith1072]

notice how the fraud drsmith let's neotrotsky continue to call him Dr. all the while knowing he is a complete fraud. Too funny...

uh, look back moron I told him once I was not a doctor and never claimed to be not my fault he continues to do so.

The funny thing is that you continue to make this false allegation when I have even told you on this board as I have told many times on teh msnbc message boards that d and r are my first and middle initials.
Yet despite that FACT you continue to lie in a desperate attempt to attack me on this board because I owned you so often on the other board. I told you many times on the other baord if I meant deception I would have capitialized and used puncuation to specify that I am claiming to be a doctor such as Dr.Smith1072 or even Drsmith1072 but no I went with drsmith1072 because I thought that made it obvious.

You can run away now stalker, after all that is what you usually do after being confronted by the facts. LOL

You're just mad because I made a big deal out of you admitting to wearing women's underwear.....hey this is the new milleium...no harm no foul.

Typical hit and run bs from poor distraught pp who, as usual, has nothing valid to say so he attacks the poster instead. tsk tsk.

Of course if you care to address the fact that I did inform him that I was not a doctor and that you stuck your foot in your mouth, as usual, then we can talk.
Oh and for future reference please keep your fantasies about me to yourself. Seriously, you're creeping me out dude.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Truth?? When you provide some then we can talk until your OPINION is only your OPINION and your OPINION is all you continue to offer so there is NOTHING to refute.

So in other words, you fail to prove your own argument or provide anything to substantiate it and then tell me that if I disagree that I must therefore prove your UNPROVEN OPINION to be wrong? Do you see the flaw in your logic?

AGAIN the burden of PROOF is on YOU. You made the claim PROVE IT. Parroting the same thing over and over again does nothing to prove it so there is NOTHING to refute. LOL

Are you really this slow?? Sorry if you percieve that as a personal attack but I am seriously curious as to whether you are just being intentionally dishonest to avoid admitting that you have nothing or do you just not get the concept?

Again, Good Dr, we have been over this- his policies are the proof- pick any one you want
My "burden" as you call it - is done. You may not like it or refuse to accept it; but sorry, it does not work that way

"Parroting the same thing over and over again " , I agree this is not working too well for you

Of course, I am open to change. If you feel his policies are not proof of a "socialist push"
then by all means please explain.

If you want to go on the record by saying:

His policies do not push us in a more socialist direction.

I will accept that statement as valid; but not true since I do not agree with it

Says the poster parroting as he pretends that he is presenting a valid argument for the nth time. LOL

Oh and your last sentense says it all. So in order for anything to be true in YOUR mind, YOU have to agree with it?? Got it. LOL
So am I to take it that if you do agree with it, it is the truth and no facts are necessary to substantiate it?? After all that seems to be the delusional stance that you seem to basing your argument on. LOL

That's a pretty shoddy foundation. LOL

I know difference of opinion may shock you; but we have not quite reached a total socialist state where difference of opinion may be frowned upon

Good news for you- we are slowing getting there

 

[JakeStarkey]

I know difference of opinion may shock you; but we have not quite reached a total socialist state where difference of opinion may be frowned upon Good news for you- we are slowing getting there

Learn to Speak Tea Bag | Mark Fiore's Animated Cartoon Site. This will help you, trotsky.

 

[drsmith1072]

which is an unsubstantiated opinion and does nothing to prove the claim.


So throughout this thread you have only been parroting bascially the same unproven statement over and over again and have offered ZERO specifics and nothing of substance.

.... It's really simple, provide specifics and show how everything obama has done has taken this country to the left or be honest for a change and admit that you were wrong.

Again, Good Dr, they have been substantiated; maybe not to your approval , but the game does not work that way- sorry

As for you put it "wrong"; how do we know this?
My statement has been offered and substantiated that is true.

Now for whether or not one feels the statement is wrong, what has been offered to show that conclusion ?

Since the statement is valid; It comes down to:

The statement is either false (wrong)
or
The statement is true (correct)

I see nothing offered by you that one could reach this conclusion. that the statement is wrong. But again, I am open to discussion of this idea.

You do know that one simply not agreeing with a statement does not make it false or wrong as you say ?

NO they haven't been substantiated. I proved that when I provided your statements. You have offered the same unsubstantiated OPINION over and over again with no links and no facts to support your claims. Face it, you have NOTHING.

The funny thing is in the last sentence you claim that disagreeing with a statement does not make it false and yet you believe that if YOU agree with a statement that makes it true. LOL you are spinning so hard you forgot where you started LOL

Furthermore, I never said you were wrong. The part that you put in bold type was part of a WHOLE statement. So it's funny how you dishonestly focus only on the part that you try to spin as you take it out of context.
I said prove your statement or admit that you are wrong. So why are you so dishonest? Are you really that desperate to spin as you try to CYA? This desperation on your part shows that you are losing the argument and you know it. LOL

However, in one aspect you are correct.

The statement is either false (wrong)
or
The statement is true (correct)

I see nothing offered by you that one could reach this conclusion. that the statement is correct. But again, I am open to discussion of this idea.

So when are you going to offer anything of substance so we can discuss it? LOL

 

[Neotrotsky]

Jake Starkey

It would help if you could answer the following that you keep avoiding

Just curious....from before:

Since the GOP is not in power and any movement in the polls towards them and conservatives is a reaction to the policies of the Democrats and Papa Obama, what do you see or expect the GOP to change?

Really, from a "Machiavellian" approach, at this rate the Dems and Papa Obama are going, the GOP does not have to do much

 

[Neotrotsky]

which is an unsubstantiated opinion and does nothing to prove the claim.


So throughout this thread you have only been parroting bascially the same unproven statement over and over again and have offered ZERO specifics and nothing of substance.

.... It's really simple, provide specifics and show how everything obama has done has taken this country to the left or be honest for a change and admit that you were wrong.

Again, Good Dr, they have been substantiated; maybe not to your approval , but the game does not work that way- sorry

As for you put it "wrong"; how do we know this?
My statement has been offered and substantiated that is true.

Now for whether or not one feels the statement is wrong, what has been offered to show that conclusion ?

Since the statement is valid; It comes down to:

The statement is either false (wrong)
or
The statement is true (correct)

I see nothing offered by you that one could reach this conclusion. that the statement is wrong. But again, I am open to discussion of this idea.

You do know that one simply not agreeing with a statement does not make it false or wrong as you say ?

NO they haven't been substantiated. I proved that when I provided your statements. You have offered the same unsubstantiated OPINION over and over again with no links and no facts to support your claims. Face it, you have NOTHING.

The funny thing is in the last sentence you claim that disagreeing with a statement does not make it false and yet you believe that if YOU agree with a statement that makes it true. LOL you are spinning so hard you forgot where you started LOL

Furthermore, I never said you were wrong. The part that you put in bold type was part of a WHOLE statement. So it's funny how you dishonestly focus only on the part that you try to spin as you take it out of context.
I said prove your statement or admit that you are wrong. So why are you so dishonest? Are you really that desperate to spin as you try to CYA? This desperation on your part shows that you are losing the argument and you know it. LOL

However, in one aspect you are correct.

The statement is either false (wrong)
or
The statement is true (correct)

I see nothing offered by you that one could reach this conclusion. that the statement is correct. But again, I am open to discussion of this idea.

So when are you going to offer anything of substance so we can discuss it? LOL

CYA from what- the statement stands and I do not run from it all

Truth is a matter of opinion and discussion, It seems odd to mock this idea



It has been offered; you prefer to keep saying it is nothing and that the statements are "wrong" but not saying why

Funny how that works

 

[JakeStarkey]

Your opinions aren't fact, Neo. That's what you don't get, I think. What you believe only means something to you, not a thing to anyone else. Your opinions are not facts.

 

[drsmith1072]

Again, Good Dr, we have been over this- his policies are the proof- pick any one you want
My "burden" as you call it - is done. You may not like it or refuse to accept it; but sorry, it does not work that way

"Parroting the same thing over and over again " , I agree this is not working too well for you

Of course, I am open to change. If you feel his policies are not proof of a "socialist push"
then by all means please explain.

If you want to go on the record by saying:

His policies do not push us in a more socialist direction.

I will accept that statement as valid; but not true since I do not agree with it

Says the poster parroting as he pretends that he is presenting a valid argument for the nth time. LOL

Oh and your last sentense says it all. So in order for anything to be true in YOUR mind, YOU have to agree with it?? Got it. LOL
So am I to take it that if you do agree with it, it is the truth and no facts are necessary to substantiate it?? After all that seems to be the delusional stance that you seem to basing your argument on. LOL

That's a pretty shoddy foundation. LOL

I know difference of opinion may shock you; but we have not quite reached a total socialist state where difference of opinion may be frowned upon

Good news for you- we are slowing getting there

We are not talking about a difference of opinon you made a claim stated it was true (meaning it was based on fact) and I asked you to prove your claim. Despite your complete failure to offer anything of substance to support your BELIEF you continue to claim that it has been substantiated and is true merely because you say so. Sorry but that does not meet the burden of proof.

So do you have any answers to the questions I asked? What are you afraid of?? LOL

 

[JakeStarkey]

We are not talking about a difference of opinon you made a claim stated it was true (meaning it was based on fact) and I asked you to prove your claim. Despite your complete failure to offer anything of substance to support your BELIEF you continue to claim that it has been substantiated and is true merely because you say so. Sorry but that does not meet the burden of proof. So do you have any answers to the questions I asked? What are you afraid of?? LOL

Neo can't offer evidence or fact to support the claim. Neo thinks opinion is fact. Neo is a loon, drsmith, only one species of several on this thread. The next on the far fringe of Right Wing Lake.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Says the poster parroting as he pretends that he is presenting a valid argument for the nth time. LOL

Oh and your last sentense says it all. So in order for anything to be true in YOUR mind, YOU have to agree with it?? Got it. LOL
So am I to take it that if you do agree with it, it is the truth and no facts are necessary to substantiate it?? After all that seems to be the delusional stance that you seem to basing your argument on. LOL

That's a pretty shoddy foundation. LOL

I know difference of opinion may shock you; but we have not quite reached a total socialist state where difference of opinion may be frowned upon

Good news for you- we are slowing getting there

We are not talking about a difference of opinon you made a claim stated it was true (meaning it was based on fact) and I asked you to prove your claim. Despite your complete failure to offer anything of substance to support your BELIEF you continue to claim that it has been substantiated and is true merely because you say so. Sorry but that does not meet the burden of proof.

So do you have any answers to the questions I asked? What are you afraid of?? LOL

Well, we must talking of a difference of opinion since you do not agree with the statement.
Unless, you are saying that you have no stand on this issue.

The question has been asked and answered- However, your "badgering of the witness" is noted.

Yes, I did make a claim; yes I feel it is true; yes Papa Obama's policies are the proof
There is no failure here; except failure/unwillingness on your part to accept it.

Again, you saying it does not meet the "burden of proof" does not make it so.

Of course, it is curious that you have offered no information to show me why my opinion is not true

Funny how that works

 

[Neotrotsky]

We are not talking about a difference of opinon you made a claim stated it was true (meaning it was based on fact) and I asked you to prove your claim. Despite your complete failure to offer anything of substance to support your BELIEF you continue to claim that it has been substantiated and is true merely because you say so. Sorry but that does not meet the burden of proof. So do you have any answers to the questions I asked? What are you afraid of?? LOL

Neo can't offer evidence or fact to support the claim. Neo thinks opinion is fact. Neo is a loon, drsmith, only one species of several on this thread. The next on the far fringe of Right Wing Lake.

A loon would be a leftwing fister




But again

Just curious....from before

Since the GOP is not in power and any movement in the polls towards them and conservatives is a reaction to the policies of the Democrats and Papa Obama, what do you see or expect the GOP to change?

Really, from a "Machiavellian" approach, at this rate the Dems and Papa Obama are going, the GOP does not have to do much

 

[Polk]

You do know that includes conservative republicans, democrats and independents don't you?? So i would hardly consider that a win for republicans. As for the increase being caused by an increase in independents calling themselves conservatives i wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that a lot of conservative republicans are now calling themselves independents?? Did the poll take into account this shift or did it ingore it??

First question I thought of as well.

Furthermore, in previous versions of this poll, gallup asked independents which party they felt more in line with and in the past versions of this polls democrats outnumbered republicans. Did this poll offer a similar question or did it ignore that this time??

They did. More of them leaned toward the Democrats.

 

[drsmith1072]

Again, Good Dr, they have been substantiated; maybe not to your approval , but the game does not work that way- sorry

As for you put it "wrong"; how do we know this?
My statement has been offered and substantiated that is true.

Now for whether or not one feels the statement is wrong, what has been offered to show that conclusion ?

Since the statement is valid; It comes down to:

The statement is either false (wrong)
or
The statement is true (correct)

I see nothing offered by you that one could reach this conclusion. that the statement is wrong. But again, I am open to discussion of this idea.

You do know that one simply not agreeing with a statement does not make it false or wrong as you say ?

NO they haven't been substantiated. I proved that when I provided your statements. You have offered the same unsubstantiated OPINION over and over again with no links and no facts to support your claims. Face it, you have NOTHING.

The funny thing is in the last sentence you claim that disagreeing with a statement does not make it false and yet you believe that if YOU agree with a statement that makes it true. LOL you are spinning so hard you forgot where you started LOL

Furthermore, I never said you were wrong. The part that you put in bold type was part of a WHOLE statement. So it's funny how you dishonestly focus only on the part that you try to spin as you take it out of context.
I said prove your statement or admit that you are wrong. So why are you so dishonest? Are you really that desperate to spin as you try to CYA? This desperation on your part shows that you are losing the argument and you know it. LOL

However, in one aspect you are correct.

The statement is either false (wrong)
or
The statement is true (correct)

I see nothing offered by you that one could reach this conclusion. that the statement is correct. But again, I am open to discussion of this idea.

So when are you going to offer anything of substance so we can discuss it? LOL

CYA from what- the statement stands and I do not run from it all



It has been offered; you prefer to keep saying it is nothing and that the statements are "wrong" but not saying why

Funny how that works

I never said it's nothing. So why so dishonest. I asked you to prove it and you have failed to do so. Got a link to support your claim?? How about anything factual?? Do you have anything other than your opinion which is all you have offered

BTW thanks for LYING yet again but I have already pointed out that I never said you were wrong.
Here it is for you again.

Furthermore, I never said you were wrong. The part that you put in bold type was part of a WHOLE statement. So it's funny how you dishonestly focus only on the part that you try to spin as you take it out of context.
I said prove your statement or admit that you are wrong. So why are you so dishonest? Are you really that desperate to spin as you try to CYA? This desperation on your part shows that you are losing the argument and you know it.

Now will you admit to your dishonesty or will you continue to LIE about my statement?

Why do you continue to try to put words into my mouth and attack me for things I never said?

 

[Polk]

Lets compare

Would you say he is more, less or equal in his "appreciation" of gov't involvement in the individual's life than say
Thomas Jefferson?

Government involvement in individual's lives is NOT a tenet of socialism.

Perhaps, if you one wants to limit themselves to some simplistic definition from "Websters"

so socialism has no effect on an individual's life?

The defining characteristic of socialism is state ownership of the means of production. Where is that happening in this country? It isn't.

 

[drsmith1072]

Your opinions aren't fact, Neo. That's what you don't get, I think. What you believe only means something to you, not a thing to anyone else. Your opinions are not facts.

Yeah, for some odd reason he just fails to grasp that simple concept. LOL

He believes is so it must be true. LOL

 

[Polk]

The chart shows 40% conservatives in 2004. How'd that pan out for the Republicans?

Pretty good- they still controlled congress

Still controlled, but lost ground. Bush was reelected by one of the smallest margins ever, they held steady in the House (and would have lost seats if not for redistricting schemes in Texas), and gained seats in the Senate because of a batch of open-seat races in a region they already dominate (outside those southern seats, they lost ground).

 

[JakeStarkey]

Your opinions aren't fact, Neo. That's what you don't get, I think. What you believe only means something to you, not a thing to anyone else. Your opinions are not facts.

Yeah, for some odd reason he just fails to grasp that simple concept. LOL

He believes is so it must be true. LOL

This isn't a thing yet with Neo. Neo is still learning to speak teabag, so you will have to wait awhile for Neo to get ripsnorting. What a hoot!