Funny how Alex Jones knew about 9/11 happening

[cad]

i don't feel like reading all the links on pbs article.

give me the brief synopsis

what did that fbi agent know?

 

[eots]

that a terror attack on the wtc and similar high profile targets possible involving hijacked aircraft was eminent

 

[eots]

so they guy knew al qaeda was going to take down the towers on 9/11 and decided to take a job working at the towers starting on 9/11?

(what does it matter who the previous security firm was?)

No,,like many others including private citizens he was aware of operatives that appeared to be planning a terror attack involving hijacked planes and that the wtc was a likely target

 

[eots]

Letter to Congress regarding the 9/11 Commission Report 9/13/04, signed by the following 25 military, intelligence, and law enforcement veterans: National Security Whistleblowers Coalition


"[W]e the undersigned wish to bring to the attention of the Congress and the people of the United States what we believe are serious shortcomings in the report and its recommendations. …

Omission is one of the major flaws in the Commission’s report. We are aware of significant issues and cases that were duly reported to the commission by those of us with direct knowledge, but somehow escaped attention. …

The omission of such serious and applicable issues and information by itself renders the report flawed, and casts doubt on the validity of many of its recommendations. ...

The Commission, with its incomplete report of "facts and circumstances", intentional avoidance of assigning accountability, and disregard for the knowledge, expertise and experience of those who actually do the job, has now set about pressuring our Congress and our nation to hastily implement all its recommendations. ...

We the undersigned, who have worked within various government agencies (FBI, CIA, FAA, DIA, Customs) responsible for national security and public safety, call upon you in Congress to include the voices of those with first-hand knowledge and expertise in the important issues at hand. We stand ready to do our part." National Security Whistleblowers Coalition


Edward J. Costello, Jr. – Former Special Agent, Counterterrorism, FBI. Former Judge pro tem., Los Angeles, CA.


John M. Cole – Former Intelligence Operations Specialist, in the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division. In charge of FBI’s foreign intelligence investigations covering India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. 18-year FBI career.


Mark Conrad, JD – Retired Agent in Charge, Internal Affairs, U.S. Customs, responsible for the internal integrity and security for areas encompassing nine states and two foreign locations. Former Federal Sky Marshall. 27-year U.S. Customs career. Currently Associate General Counsel, National Association of Federal Agents. Assistant Professor of Criminal Justice at Troy University.


Rosemary N. Dew – Former Supervisory Special Agent, Counterterrorism and Counterintelligence, FBI. Former member of The President's National Security Telecommunications Advisory Committee (NSTAC) and the Electronic Commerce/Cyber Crime Working Group. 13-year FBI career.


Bogdan Dzakovic – Witness before the 9/11 Commission. 14-year Counter-terrorism expert in the Security Division of the Federal Aviation Administration. Team Leader of the FAA's Red (Terrorism) Team, which conducted undercover tests on airport security through simulated terrorist attacks. Former Team Leader in the Federal Air Marshal program. Former Coast Guard officer. (See also individual statement above.)


Sibel D. Edmonds – Witness before the 9/11 Commission. Former Language Translation Specialist, performing translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations, FBI. (See also individual statement above.)


Steve Elson – Former Special Agent with the U.S. Navy and the FAA. Specialist in Counterterrorism, Intelligence, and Security. Twenty-two years military experience, primarily in Naval Special Warfare and nine years Federal service with the FAA and DEA. Retired Navy SEAL. (See also individual statement above.)


David Forbes – Former head of Thames Valley Police Fraud Squad, trained at New Scotland Yard. Over 30 years experience in law enforcement, commercial and industrial security-related risk management, and service sector business management. Currently Aviation, Logistics and Govt. Security Analyst, BoydForbes, Inc.


Melvin A. Goodman – Former Division Chief and Senior Analyst at the Office of Soviet Affairs, CIA,1966 - 1990. Senior Analyst at the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, State Department, 1974 - 1976. Professor of International Security at the National War College 1986 - 2004. Currently Senior Fellow at the Center for International Policy and Adjunct Professor of International Relations at Johns Hopkins University. He is the author and co-author of five books on international relations. (See also individual statement above.)


Mark Graf – Former Security Supervisor, Planner, and Derivative Classifier, Department of Energy. Former Chairman of the Rocky Flats (DOE) Physical Security Systems Working Group from 1990 through 1995.


Gilbert M. Graham – Retired Special Agent, Counterintelligence, FBI. 24-year FBI career.


Diane Kleiman – Former Special Agent, US Customs.


Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force veteran. (See also individual statement above.)


Lynne A. Larkin – Former CIA Operations Officer. Served in several CIA foreign stations and in the CIA's counter-intelligence center helping chair a multi-agency task force and seminars on coordinating intelligence among intelligence and crime prevention agencies.


David MacMichael, PhD – Former Senior Estimates Officer with special responsibility for Western Hemisphere Affairs at the CIA's National Intelligence Council. Former Captain, U.S. Marine Corps.


Raymond L. McGovern – Former Chairman, National Intelligence Estimates, CIA, responsible for preparing the President’ Daily Brief (PDB) for Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. 27-year CIA veteran. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer. (See also individual statement above.)


Theodore J. Pahle – Former Senior Intelligence Officer with the Defense Intelligence Agency. His 37-year intelligence career was exclusively as a HUMINT (Human Intelligence) operations officer with DIA, Office of Naval Intelligence and U.S. Army Intelligence. He is a Middle East and Latin American operations specialist. Today, he continues to support the HUMINT effort as a contract instructor.


Behrooz Sarshar – Retired Language Translation Specialist, performing Farsi translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations dealing with Iran and Afghanistan, FBI.


Brian F. Sullivan – Retired Special Agent and Risk Management Specialist, FAA. Retired Lieutenant Colonel, Military Police.


Commander Larry J. Tortorich, U.S. Navy (ret) – Former Deputy Program Manager for Logistics – Tomahawk Cruise Missiles. 24-year Navy career in the fields of aviation and counterterrorism. Two years as a federal employee with DHS/TSA in the fields of security and counterterrorism.


Jane A. Turner – Retired Special Agent, FBI. 24-year FBI career.


John B. Vincent – Retired Special Agent, Counterterrorism, FBI. 27-year FBI career.


Fred Whitehurst, JD, PhD – Retired Supervisory Special Agent / Laboratory Forensic Examiner, FBI. 16-year FBI career. Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer.


Col. Ann Wright, U.S. Army (ret) – Retired Army officer and former U.S. Diplomat. Served 13 years on active duty with the U.S. Army and 16 years in the U.S. Army Reserves. She was a member of the International law team in Operation Urgent Fury in Grenada and served in Panama and Somalia. She joined the Foreign Service in 1987 and served as Deputy Chief of Mission of U.S. Embassies in Sierra Leone, Micronesia and Afghanistan. She helped reopen the US Embassy in Kabul in December, 2001. One of three U.S. State Department officials to publicly resign in direct protest of the invasion of Iraq in March, 2003. (See also individual statement above.)


Matthew J. Zipoli – Special Response Team (SRT) Officer, DOE. Vice President, Security Police Officer's Association, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

 

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so why would he take a job at wtc if he knew it was a likely target?

so you believe the government did not plan 9/11, they just had a pretty good idea it was going to happen and didn't do anything to stop it. this was, i suppose, going to enable them to start wars?

 

[eots]

so why would he take a job at wtc if he knew it was a likely target?

So you believe the government did not plan 9/11, they just had a pretty good idea it was going to happen and didn't do anything to stop it. This was, i suppose, going to enable them to start wars?

why do soldiers go to war..why do firefighters fight fires

 

[cad]

so he specifically sought out the security position at the WTC because he wanted to be there to defend it? that's a brave guy.

do you believe the government knew about it and just did nothing to stop it? how far up did it go?

was it a plane or a missle that struck the pentagon?

what happened to the plane that was "brought down" by the passengers?

i'm not trying to be a douche here, i think this is fascinating and would really enjoy getting responses from someone who has a different perspective than mine. if you don't mind indulging me a bit...

 

[georgephillip]

"Don't know about you, but all this who-knew-what-when pre-9/11 stuff is mighty confusing."

This is the first sentence in Bernard Weiner's The Bush 9/11 Scandal for Dummies article that appeared on CounterPunch June 1, 2002.

When this article was first posted Bush and Cheney were still fighting against any commission of inquiry and beseeching Congressional leaders NOT to investigate the pre-9/11 period

Maybe the most revealing individual bit of information Weiner produces is "...the US...may well have broken bin Laden's encryption code; for example, the US knew that he told his mother on September 9: 'In two days you're going to hear big news, and you're not going to hear from me for a while.'"

The author also offers a shorthand scenario of what he refers to as the HardRight's long term prescription for power beginning with Clinton's re-election in '96.

Once again, the first question to decide is whether or not an independent investigation with subpoena power and public testimony under oath is in this country's best interest?

 

[eots]

so he specifically sought out the security position at the WTC because he wanted to be there to defend it? that's a brave guy.

do you believe the government knew about it and just did nothing to stop it? how far up did it go?

yes I belive "the government" knew about it and in fact assured its success..

was it a plane or a missle that struck the pentagon?

I do not know..but the insuring cover up leads me to believe the official pentagon story to be untrue

what happened to the plane that was "brought down" by the passengers?

I believe the plane was most likely blown out of the sky..shot down and the" lets roll story "another Tillman/Jessica lynch piece of patriotic fiction

i'm not trying to be a douche here, i think this is fascinating and would really enjoy getting responses from someone who has a different perspective than mine. if you don't mind indulging me a bit...

not at all

 

[Douger]

I was bringing a truckload of motorcycle parts back from Atlanta that morning.
I walked into a gas station in YeeHaw Junction Floridastan and watched the towers fall 10 or 15 times.
I looked around at all the slack jawed rednecks, said " looks like the CIA has been busy this morning", and walked out the door.

 

[cad]

so who was originally behind it?

when did they get wind of the plot, how did they aid it?

how many planes were actually hijacked?

why make up the story about a plane flying in to the pentagon? what happened to that plane if it didn't hit the pentagon?

why the need to take down the plane over pennsylvania and not take credit for it? i think the vast majority of americans, after seeing the towers collapse, who have been behind the decision to shoot the plane down and save the lives of whoever was the real target.

why did we allow it to happen? as an excuse for war in middle east?

 

[cad]

I was bringing a truckload of motorcycle parts back from Atlanta that morning.
I walked into a gas station in YeeHaw Junction Floridastan and watched the towers fall 10 or 15 times.
I looked around at all the slack jawed rednecks, said " looks like the CIA has been busy this morning", and walked out the door.

you're witty.

 

[eots]

so who was originally behind it?

when did they get wind of the plot, how did they aid it?

how many planes were actually hijacked?

why make up the story about a plane flying in to the pentagon? what happened to that plane if it didn't hit the pentagon?

why the need to take down the plane over pennsylvania and not take credit for it? i think the vast majority of americans, after seeing the towers collapse, who have been behind the decision to shoot the plane down and save the lives of whoever was the real target.

why did we allow it to happen? as an excuse for war in middle east?

I dont know why dont we have a real investigation under the terms of the patriots question 9/11 petition and find out ?

 

[eots]

I was bringing a truckload of motorcycle parts back from Atlanta that morning.
I walked into a gas station in YeeHaw Junction Floridastan and watched the towers fall 10 or 15 times.
I looked around at all the slack jawed rednecks, said " looks like the CIA has been busy this morning", and walked out the door.

you're witty.

really I watched it with a couple of men that worked a lifetime in military intelligence and they called bullshit ! I thought for sometime they were a couple of jaded crazy ol koots....but I was wrong

 

[cad]

so who was originally behind it?

when did they get wind of the plot, how did they aid it?

how many planes were actually hijacked?

why make up the story about a plane flying in to the pentagon? what happened to that plane if it didn't hit the pentagon?

why the need to take down the plane over pennsylvania and not take credit for it? i think the vast majority of americans, after seeing the towers collapse, who have been behind the decision to shoot the plane down and save the lives of whoever was the real target.

why did we allow it to happen? as an excuse for war in middle east?

I dont know why dont we have a real investigation under the terms of the patriots question 9/11 petition and find out ?

come on, that's a copuut. i know you don't KNOW why. what's your opinion?

 

[eots]

so who was originally behind it?

when did they get wind of the plot, how did they aid it?

there is very little that goes on in these realms that intel is not aware of exactly when they knew I dont know but the prior warnings came well in advance..they assisted first but not arresting the terrorist or deporting them when they became aware of them and as in the case of the wtc bombing may well of directly or indirectly provided financing..as well the failures of NORAD and prior changes made to shoot down procedures seem to be orchestrated

how many planes were actually hijacked?

apparently 4

why make up the story about a plane flying in to the pentagon? what happened to that plane if it didn't hit the pentagon?

dont know..but as I said before the ensuing cover-up and testimony of some eyewitnesses brings the pentagon in to question...

why the need to take down the plane over pennsylvania and not take credit for it? i think the vast majority of americans, after seeing the towers collapse, who have been behind the decision to shoot the plane down and save the lives of whoever was the real target.

the lets roll story is a much better story and for the sake of the pilot that was forced to kill his fellow Americans and to avoid the families being able to blame anyone but the terrorist..

why did we allow it to happen? as an excuse for war in middle east?

Yes and against the American people as well. with the patriot act and the economic burden of a defense budget of world conquest proportions

 

[Godboy]

alex jones in june 2001 specifically stated that planes would be used to attack buildings and that bin laden would be blamed for it. it was spot on

Link?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Hk1-BpXO8]YouTube - 9/11 CONSPIRACY: ALEX JONES PREDICTS 9/11 IN JULY 2001[/ame]

What are you fucking retarded? He never once says that terrorists will use planes to bow up buildings. He mentions blowing up the world trade center, because it had already been attemtped before, then he talks about blowing up planes which has been done a million times before. but he never says they will blow up buildigns using planes.

You lying fuckers are always creating wild fantasies out of nothing.

 

[cad]

so who was originally behind it?



there is very little that goes on in these realms that intel is not aware of exactly when they knew I dont know but the prior warnings came well in advance..they assisted first but not arresting the terrorist or deporting them when they became aware of them and as in the case of the wtc bombing may well of directly or indirectly provided financing..as well the failures of NORAD and prior changes made to shoot down procedures seem to be orchestrated





apparently 4




dont know..but as I said before the ensuing cover-up and testimony of some eyewitnesses brings the pentagon in to question...




the lets roll story is a much better story and for the sake of the pilot that was forced to kill his fellow Americans and to avoid the families being able to blame anyone but the terrorist..






Yes and against the American people as well. with the patriot act and the economic burden of a defense budget of world conquest proportions

how exactly did NORAD fail?

what were the changes in the shoot down procedures? they changed them to allow planes to be shot down or they stopped planes from being shot down? so we allowed the planes to hit the towers, used a missile against the pentagon and shot down 4th plane?

what was the purpose of the pentagon? was their specific evidence they were trying to get rid of? if they did this just to get us in to war, wouldn't the towers have been enough?

when did they begin financing al qaeda? who actually started it? someone in defense department? was this the bush administration?

 

[eots]

Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.


Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally,n my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! i With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."


Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

 

[cad]

ok, so now planes didn't hit the towers or the pentagon? it was missiles i suppose?

did the flights even exist?

if they did, what happened to them?

how does this tie in to the terrorist theory? you said we knew about terrorists and didn't detain them. how do they fit in to the missile theory?